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dave_gt Basic MemberWed 04-Feb-09 07:45 PM
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"Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"


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Thanks to Ken Rockwell, you can see some great images by these little cameras. Go here and ask yourself, why would you spend more money on a camera body for still life images? Hmmmm...

http://www.abqstyle.com/


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Hotswimmer Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Apr 2008Wed 04-Feb-09 08:00 PM
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#1. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Wed 04-Feb-09 08:13 PM by Hotswimmer

Annapolis, US
          

This is no disrespect to you, but as nice as those pictures may be, and as you observed, they are all of still subjects under good light, which is about the least challenging photo scenario you're going to get. I've shot some beautiful photos with my old Nikon Coolpix 3100 under similar conditions. Try shooting fast motion, or under low light, or worse yet, both at the same time with that same equipment. The reality is, almost nobody restricts their photography to that type of imagery. I love my D40; I would never sell it. For a lot of people, it may be enough, but I wouldn't be able to do the things I need to do without some upgraded equipment.

  

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#2. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Please keep this discussion on topic about the Nikon bodies.

My reason for posting this is to show that the D40-D60 bodies are quite capable. The D40,for instance, is so capable that I use one as part of my professional work.

There are many newcomers to DSLR's, so it is important that they know what can be accomplished with a camera that is such a good value for the money!

dave

  

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Hotswimmer Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Apr 2008Wed 04-Feb-09 08:17 PM
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#3. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Wed 04-Feb-09 08:20 PM by Hotswimmer

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Done - edited content. I misinterpreted what you were trying to say - at first glance, I thought you were talking about avoiding upgrading to a D40, et. al., from a point and shoot or something else. Your subject title is a bit confusing, but my bad.

  

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bdavison Registered since 31st Dec 2008Wed 04-Feb-09 08:43 PM
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#4. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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I agree, no reason to upgrade unless you need the features on the other models for your specific photos. But Ken Rockwell has nothing to do with it. Thank Nikon.

  

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Chan Tran Registered since 04th Dec 2003Wed 04-Feb-09 08:46 PM
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#5. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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The low end D40, D60 etc.. are quite capable cameras and if you need more you should buy a higher end camera to begin with. Upgrading from the D40 is not a good idea. The only reason to upgrade is that at the time you bought your camera there was no camera better than that.

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PeteCamp Registered since 25th Oct 2008Wed 04-Feb-09 09:38 PM
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Wed 04-Feb-09 09:40 PM by PeteCamp

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I upgraded, though I am hanging on to the D40, because the D200 allows me more control over what the camera is doing and because many things I set very frequently are easier to set. Not necessarily anything to do with image quality per se. They are designed for different users.

One of the biggest reasons is that the D200 allows me to use all my older AI, AI-S and newer AF lenses with full metering whereas the D40 throws me into full manual focus / manual exposure mode with the older ones and manual focus with the AF lenses. In the final analysis the lens determines the image quality far more than the body.

My D200 is very close in how it operates to my F100 - the D40 is not. Less operator headspace error!

I personally like to use both and am glad I added (upgraded?) the D200.

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#9. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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>Upgrading from the D40 is not a good idea. The only
>reason to upgrade is that at the time you bought your camera
>there was no camera better than that.

That is a nice thought, but that has never been true of any of these cameras. They are, and have always been at the very bottom of the nikon food-chain.


That being said, I still keep my D50, which I have shot several weddings with, as my backup camera.

It is a solid camera.

The only reason I would upgrade a D50/40/60 is if you had TRULY outgrown it, in which case you would want to move up to at least a D80/90.

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Floridian Silver Member Nikonian since 11th Feb 2007Thu 05-Feb-09 01:42 AM
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#7. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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I agree. I have a D50 and added a D300. Sometimes the D300 is a better option, but in most situations you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between cameras. I still use the D50 and don't feel I'm compromising anything when I do.

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#8. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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The most important part of photography is what's behind the viewfinder, followed by the lens. Bodies don't even rank as secondary and, to a certain extent, are disposable. However, if you need certain features, like mirror lockup, depth of field preview or the ability to use a true cable release, you can't get those things with a D40/40x/60. Those were precisely the reason I upgraded from a D40 to a D200 and as added bonuses I also got auto bracketing for HDR, shooting banks and it feels a lot more like my F4 than the D40. My son now has the D40 kit, has bought a Nikkor 55-200mm VR lens and is having a good time with it.

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guitarmanjon Registered since 21st Feb 2007Fri 06-Feb-09 08:51 AM
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#10. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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York, GB
          

I saw that gallery too and was very pleased to see some top quality images taken with a "low-end" DSLR.

I've had my D50 for just over 2 years now and while I've wanted to upgrade, I really haven't had any justification for doing so. The only feature I would like is CLS control from the camera and when I eventually do upgrade that will come with the body. I suspect the D50 will stay with me for many years though as it is a pleasure to use and not too bulky to carry around.

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#11. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Fri 06-Feb-09 10:57 AM by dave_gt

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Yes,

The D40 - D60 cameras are quite capable as confirmed by every review I have ever read and each day I pick it up, I learn something new. Creativity is not a problem with my D40 either.

dave





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#12. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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I always tell people that unless they can articulate a good reason for upgrading, then they are probably wasting their money. There are plenty of good, valid reasons to upgrade from an entry level body, but only when one finds the camera holding him or her back. I think the people who think more generally, that they'll get better image quality, or that their photography will improve, these are the people who end up in the D300 forum saying they are underwhelmed (and there are usually about 3 of these threads on the front page every day). A pro or semi-pro body has advantages, but it isn't a magic wand for taking better photos.

I shoot landscapes and wildlife. For birds in flight, the D300 is a quantum leap forward from my D50. The frame rate gets me more photos so it's easier to pick the perfect pose, the AF system means more of them are sharp, the pixel density is the equivalent of a 1.4x TC without losing any light, and I get about a stop more usable high ISO.

For landscapes, there are some advantages, although they are more minor. Live view, MLU, GPS connectivity, cable release, shooting banks, make for some very subtle differences. The end result is probably that I print 1.4x larger prints, which will not effect most of my print jobs anyway. I've had 2 occasions this year when I shot landscapes with my D50 and didn't feel like I lost anything. Indeed, I liked having the 2-stop auto bracket, which means I could capture in 3 shots what it would take the D300 5 shots to do. (D300 has 1-stop max step in auto bracketing).

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#14. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Fri 06-Feb-09 06:14 PM by Hotswimmer

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I completely agree. The only thing I would add is that many people don’t realize what a huge jump it takes from a knowledge standpoint, going from a D40 up to a D300 or similar body. The D40 is a great DSLR for most people because it’s pretty easy to learn on. There aren’t THAT many settings, and combined with a fair amount of automation, if you’re willing to invest a little bit of time, you can achieve some pretty nice results under most conditions.

To get really good photography out of something like a D300 requires some experience – at the very least, a good, working understanding of exposure, and the willingness to learn numerous settings, how they relate to one another, and how they affect the image. There is no “green” full automatic mode and no scene modes to assist you. I went through that transition – after putting about 5000 frames through my D40, shooting a lot of sports, I upgraded to the D300, because shooting fast action indoors, under low light, and under other challenging circumstances, the D40 just wasn’t cutting it. I had no expectation that the D300 would improve my photography outdoors and under good light – the D40 did great with that. Nor did I care about the extra megapixels. I was looking to do things that the D40 and the lenses I had simply couldn’t.

I was one of those who initially came away underwhelmed. After taking the D300 for out the first time, shooting outdoors under broad daylight, the photos I got didn’t compare favorably even to what I was used to getting from my D40. As I’d obligated myself to shooting some indoor swim meets and hockey games, I was left scrambling – I had to do a lot of reading, understanding and practicing to get up to speed. Likewise, when I added a fast, expensive, mid-range telephoto zoom lens. Neither investment led to a rapid, magical increase in the quality of my photography. It took a fair amount of work to get to where I could consistently achieve really nice results. And neither, by the way, was improvement in image quality under the special circumstances I bought the upgraded equipment for proportional to the amount of money I spent.

I’ll just close by saying that for many outings, the D40 remains my preferred body. I love it for its small size, light weight and ease of use. Under many circumstances, any marginal improvement in image quality I could get out of the D300 isn’t worth the extra weight and hassle, and putting an $1800+ piece of equipment at risk. I take the D300 when I really need its enhanced capabilities.

  

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#15. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Atlanta, US
          

Reading through this thread, quite a few good pros and cons have been mentioned, and both are right.

What hasn't been mentioned is that those who grow in their skill and want to stretch the horizons of what they shoot will probably need to upgrade at some point.

It's just as wrong to say "Never upgrade" as it is to say "Always upgrade", because a lot of people are just getting started with their D40, but after a year or two find it somewhat limiting in capability. On the other hand, a lot of people find the D40/50/60 to fill their needs for many years.

For myself, I spent decades shooting lots of film, and wanted to 'try out' digital with an inexpensive DSLR before jumping in whole hog. I used my D40 for the past year with outstanding results (along side my N75 and Pentax); but there were things the D40 couldn't do. Animals in motion has been mentioned. Landscapes in low light or HDR, sports action, artistic shots with lots of shades of gray or High Contrast, vivid colors.

It was after I found I could be happy with digital that I upgraded to the D300. And no, it's not painless. You have to put the time in to learn it, but once you do, it's worth its weight and price to have the flexibility and range of choices the D300 offers over the D40.

For those who are happy with their D40/50/60, they are fine and capable cameras. For folks like me, who are always stretching and pushing the boundaries of my own skill and the equipment, these low-range cameras are excellent entry or backup tools (I still carry my D40 as a backup), but I graduated to the D300 rather quickly as my primary tool.

I expect the D300 to server me well for about five years, before I move into a full frame, advance pro-level DSLR. But that just me. Not everybody has to go there.

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#16. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Livermore, CA, US
          

>I completely agree. The only thing I would add is that many
>people don’t realize what a huge jump it takes from a
>knowledge standpoint, going from a D40 up to a D300 or similar
>body.

Good point and I should have added that. When I started tackling the 400+ page D300 manual, I was really, really glad I had a couple years in digital photography with the D50 under my belt. Instead of being baffled by the multitude of functions, I completely understood and had run up against many of the problems these exotic features were trying to address.

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#13. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Chicago, US
          

Well there are a lot of aids being used like, VR, tripod and a close up lens. And for the images being shot, a P&S might also work for the size of the images being posted.

This debate has been going on since Kodak introduced the Brownie camera. Under the right conditions any camera can obtain a high quality image. But the obtaining of a quality image has more to due with the photographer's understanding of composition, focus, and the camera's limitations. So two people with the same camera can have 2 very different results for the same subject.

I am sure there are many who read Ken Rockwell's opinions and wonder why all or some of their images are not as good as what Ken has posted.

The real challenge is to deal with very fast motion, low light, different types of light source, capturing wildlife at over 1,000 yards or getting 1.1 or better close ups, overriding back lighted subjects, etc.

There are photographers that have published color travel guides who used a Nikon D70 to take the photos.

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#17. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Interesting thread.

I'm probably one of the many people who bought a D40 off the back of Rockwell's web page.

I'm glad I did.

I had the budget for a D300, but instead decided to invest in a D40 (220 euros!), a couple of decent lenses and Adobe Lightroom.

I've been thrilled with the results!

  

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#18. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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parsley...I'm glad I also got a D40. And I must confess KR's review influenced me to an extent. (I also read a lot of other reviewers as well.) I didn't have a D300 budget, so really the D40 was the only option, other than a used body.

I have since purchased a D200 body and am really enjoying it also. It is quite a step up the learning curve. Fortunately my F100 helped ease that burden a little.

I just installed a new focusing screen in the D40 today as I use it with a lot of older lenses that manual focus only. I got one of the Chinese knock-off screens, but it looks as good as one with a Katz-Eye I saw earlier at a camera store. $25 USD vs $150 USD!

BTW...the only other thing I took KR's advice about was the SB-400. I must say that it was a poor investment. Especially since I could have gotten the SB-600 for about $50 USD more...grrrrr. Look at the prices now!!!

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parsley Registered since 28th Jan 2009Thu 12-Feb-09 01:35 PM
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#19. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Pete ... It's good to read such positive opinions on the D40.

I got my SB-400 for significantly less than a SB-600, so haven't considered it that poorer a purchase, and TBH, I'm perfectly happy with it. I prefer to use a low light lens rather than flash anyway, but the SB-400 has given me perfectly good results using it for candid indoor shots. I'm sure I'll have regrets if I ever branch out into more serious indoor photography, but I've been as pleased with Rockwell's advice on the SB-400 as I have with the D40.

Adobe Lightroom addresses many of the issues which have been stated as a reason to upgrade, for example: the ability to bracket.

Whilst I realise that you can't turn water into wine with Lightroom, to use another analogy, you can certainly turn still water into sparkling!

As another poster also mentions, I wouldn't feel as comfortable carting around a bigger, more expensive camera as I am with my D40, particularly since my main interest is street photography.

I'm not ruling out upgrading, but I doubt I'll do so unless I find a bargain!

  

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#20. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Adam...I should have explained why the SB-400 is not all I expected it to be. The reason is I didn't read the specs carefully enough. I used a Vivitar 285 for many years with film and didn't really grasp the significance of the SB-400's limitations. Outdoor fill-flash is one. It is barely up to the task at close range, but at longer focal lengths is not. Maybe the sun is brighter in Texas?? Living where you do you know all about this.

I am with you on upgrading at a bargain. Rushing out and paying top dollar for new, unproven cameras is for rich folk or pros who need certain things not available or convenient. Also, as you say, I am comfortable dragging my D40 around even though my risk factor is minimal.

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#21. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Good post...
KR has a lot of good info just has to be read with a filter and compared against other sources. He, too, influenced my purchase initially but I was an easy sell...Nikon all the way. And he is right about the megapixel deal...I have a D40x and would have been just as happy with a D40. I will upgrade someday but I will keep this little gem. What a great camera and perfect size and weight for my needs.

Thanks, Pete, for reiterating what I've heard about the SB400. I guess I'll skip it and do the SB600 when the budget allows, sorry KR! I'm old school and flash is a whole other realm of study like post-processing. Jeez, I used to think I knew a few things!

Pete, any info on that Katz Eye "knock-off", maybe a link or a name. Did you install it yourself? Prism and/or split image? I can focus my primes okay but any help for these old eyes would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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#22. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Mark

I checked flea-Bay for the company I got mine from and couldn't find them! It is a prism-type and seems to work very well. It was around $25 shipped and there are still a couple of manufacturers offering them. They are all HQ in Hong Kong. Do a search on "D40 focus screen" and a couple will turn up.

Very simple to change out - but I found one thing that eased installing the replacement screen for me. You have to be sure it is down all the way so that the little wire hold down drops all the way down against the foam. The instructions said to press down on the wire until it snaps in place. Well, I tried that over and over and nada! Then I looked at how the camera body accepts the little wire hold down and realized that instead of pushing straight down you need to push down and back. If you look inside the body closely you'll see this and it just popped in place, first time.

I will give it a work-out this weekend and report back how much it helps (or not).

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#23. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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I got my D40 the first week they came out. My Sony was wearing out and it was just a coincidence.
I just got a D80 for Christmas.
Here are the REASONS "for" upgrading from someone who is in love with their D40, but.....
The Nikkor AF lenses are all being upgraded to the new format. This means that a lens that was out of my price range 6 months ago is a possibility through places like Adorama who sell display lenses for a fraction of the cost. I can now expand my lens library, but only with the D80 body.
The ISO in the D80 is totally incredible compared to the D40. The D40 at ISO 400 is grainy. Not the case with the D80.
That said, animals in motion are NOT a problem with the D40. You can visit my website at http://www.webs-best.com/CLP.htm to see hundreds of photos of animals in motion, ALL taken with my D40.
I also have used it to shoot all the thousands of close-up photos for eBay (my real job) and it outperforms anything and is equal to my D80. I use a mix of Ott and Florescent lighting and that little D40 brain has no problems (has to be reset around every 2 weeks).
But for the lens add-ons and the ability to push the ISO, the D80 is incredible.
Just my 2 cents....
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#24. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Mark

I took the D40 out with the new focus screen this afternoon. Sorry, it is a split screen and in fact looks quite a bit better than the split screen on an FE (with the same lens). I used a 50mm f/1.4 AIS and found the focus to be very precise with the screen while the little focus light was sometimes on, sometimes flickering, sometimes completely off. Shots were always in focus and I could move the focal point in and out on the subject as I used to with the FE. I'm very pleased. I think I got quite a bargain. Now I wish I had one for my D200.

Pete

Jennifer..."The D40 at ISO 400 is grainy."...not to argue, but are you sure? Mine shows almost no grain at ISO 1600.

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#25. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Pete:
I guess it's according to what you do with the photos. Do a 11 X 14 professional print and then we will talk.

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#26. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Pete,

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I found this flickr thread and starting reading and got deja vu, I think I was there when researching Katz Eye a couple months ago.

http://www.flickr.com/groups/d40slr/discuss/72157605446580753/

I haven't found a source yet but I will and this is a definite upgrade and an affordable one(for a change!). Can't understand the price difference between Katz Eye and HK when they do the same thing? And people complain about Katz Eye being dark at the corners at certain stops. Also, they mention "shims" in the thread, apparently they weren't an issue for you? I assume you watched the youtube video, that must be about it, essentially, yes?

Finally, did you buy yours on ebay? Forgive me if you mentioned it already.

Thanks again and aloha!

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#27. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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I, too, find "graininess" (assuming we are talking about noise) at ISO 400 in a D40 surprising based on my experience.

Taking a look at some objective data, I would expect the noise level to actually be higher on the D80 at ISO 400. Compare the chroma and luminance noise for the D40 at ISO 400 here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond40/page17.asp to the same data points for the D80 here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/page18.asp

Of course, it's hard to translate standard deviations of noise into real world differences, but I think it supports the D40's reputation as a solid performer in terms of noise.

I've made the occasional 11x14 print from my D40 at ISO 200 at 200 PPI that look very good and I've found very little practical difference between the noise levels at ISO 200 and 400. (In fact, I don't use any noise reduction at either ISO and use the same sharpening settings.)

However, I have not cropped these images (except to fit the aspect ratio), so they only required a modest amount of up-resing. My guess is that some of the difference in "graininess" you may be seeing could be due to resolution, especially if you are cropping the images at all. Obviously, the D80 has the edge in resolution.

Also, the post processing will have a big impact as you approach this print size for a D40. For example, I think making an 11x14 print from a D40 based on a JPEG would be a big handicap (my workflow is RAW).

In short, I would be reluctant to characterize the D40 as noisy at ISO 400, in fact I have found it to produce quite usable images at higher ISOs. It's actually one of the reasons I have beat down the urge to upgrade. I shoot a lot of B&W and the D40 seems to do really well for high ISO B&W.

To the original point of this post, there are lots of cameras out there with more advanced features, but the D50/D40/D60 cameras are quite capable of producing outstanding images in the right hands and actually have some unique features (like size and weight) all to themselves.

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#28. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Bart,

I agree. I also shoot RAW with the D40 and use NX2 to make the jpg's for print. And you're also correct about cropping. I wonder if some of the problems might be firmware version differences? Looking at my RAW images at 200 or even 300% and ISO 400 I don't see any noise - resolution, yes, that is to be expected vs a higher res camera, but not noise. I have quite a few ISO 1600 (8x10) shots of sunsets that exhibit very little noise but again these are prints from a RAW workflow. My D40 is pretty close to my D200 at ISO 400.

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#29. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Maybe it is the difference as I never shoot in NEF because of the issues of converting to photoshop.
But those issues are not there on my D80.
Still, the ability to buy lenses is the chief reason I went to the D80 for my new camera. Had I been able to use the older Nikkor lenses on the D40 I would have stayed with it most likely.
I have printed large posters (20 X 30) from the D40 shooting at ISO 200 that have no grain, but 8 x 10's at 400 with a lot of grain.
Maybe I need to start shooting with the NEF (another nice point of the D80 as I can now do both) but again, with Photoshop, it is a pain to use.

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#30. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Pete,

I, too, use NX2 and find it to be outstanding!

Jennifer,

The lens issue is certainly a big reason to look at something like the D80. I have felt that draw from time to time, too.

In terms of shooting in RAW and JPEG simultaneously, you can do that with your D40, too. In fact, that's how I shoot because I like to have the JPEGs to share shots quickly with friends.

If you are seeing unacceptable levels of noise in 8x10 prints at ISO 400, I'd suggest checking a couple of things. I know that excellent 8x10s at ISO 400 are easily within the D40s reach.

The first thing I would look at is exposure. If you are underexposing a lot, it tends to cause noise.

The second thing I would check is that those noisy images are really ISO 400. You may have set ISO 400, but if you are using auto ISO the camera may have overridden the ISO setting and the images might have been shot at a much higher ISO. Have you double checked the EXIF data on these shots?

Finally, I would take a look at your in-camera sharpening and noise reduction settings, since you are shooting JPEGs (and the setting are "cooked" into the JPEG). If you are applying a lot of in-camera sharpening and sharpening in post processing, you may be accentuating noise by this compound sharpening.

I'm not sure if you have considered it, but the RAW workflow is not that hard to integrate with a pixel editor like PS. You can use View NX, the free raw converter and browser included with the camera, to select the images to work, make RAW adjustments (like white balance, picture controls, exposure compensation, etc.) and then simply save off those files as TIFFs, which are loss-less. Then you would only have to convert them to JPEGs when you are ready to output to the web or a printer.


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#31. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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My D40 only saves as NEF and JPG Basic. The D80 will save at High. I haven't got the View NX I guess. I'm using View 6.2.7. I'll look for the NX.
I do an auto sharp on a lot of images as well in photoshop, I'm still not convinced that there isn't any differences.
When I shoot a horse show, I really do have to be in .jpg. I have 2 laptops and as soon as there is a break, I download my photos onto each laptop and the participants have forms that they write the numbers of the photos down that they want. So they sit at my laptops and go through the photos while I'm in the arena shooting.
When I get a minute I burn their photos onto CD's (usually for a couple of hours after the show as well) for them, they pay for them, and that's the end of the shoot. I tape my business card before hand on jewel cases, so they have my phone number if they need to contact me. I make more money doing it this way than I did when I was selling prints and having to spend hours working up several hundred photos and putting them on my website. And the customers love it that they have the photos immediately to do with as they please! It's a win-win in my case, but I have to shoot in .jpg then because I really don't have time to convert anything.
I'll go hunt for the NX upgrade on the Nikon site.

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#32. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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I see where you are coming from on the RAW+JPEG difference with the D80.

Given your needs to quickly burn files directly to a disk, a RAW workflow may be difficult.

Here's the link to View NX, if you are interested: http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Imaging-Software/NVNX/ViewNX.html

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#33. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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I had it when I first got my camera but it isn't free and I think it is terrible that Nikon won't give one a way to transfer their photos to a "normal" format.
Adobe makes a plug-in but it isn't easy to use.

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#34. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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View NX is free (I just downloaded a second copy recently on my laptop). Perhaps you are thinking of Capture NX (a raw converter with much more advanced workflow and editing capabilities) which is not free?

You could also look at RawTherapee ( http://www.rawtherapee.com/?mitem=3 ), a free open source RAW converter. The major disadvantage of using a non-Nikon RAW converter is that it will not read and apply your in-camera settings, so you are starting from scratch with each photo. I've played with RawTherapee a little bit. It doesn't have the sexiest interface, but it's not too hard to grasp. It runs with very little system "overhead" and it's free.

Again, from the way you describe your workflow, it may be difficult to integrate RAW due to the time it would take to batch convert all of your photos.

However, I would suggest if you are not getting 8x10s of acceptable quality at ISO 400 from a D40 even shooting JPEG, there may be something amiss that merely switching to RAW would not solve in and of itself.

For example, I shot this image with my D40 at ISO 400 and I have printed it as a full frame image on letter size paper with no noise issues whatsoever. (I have to believe I could get fairly close results by starting with a full size JPEG.) I used Capture NX2 and only did levels, sharpening and resizing, but no noise reduction at all (I turned off the in-camera noise reduction):

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#35. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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"My D40 only saves as NEF and JPG Basic."

Well, yes and no. (Check your manual starting on page 30.) If you have no need for the NEF (RAW) images, by all means save in jpg FINE - you will get about 3X more images per memory card as the first benefit. If you have to have the NEF files, you are stuck with the D40.

Did I miss understand, or are the prints you sell from the jpg's or the NEF's? If you are not doing post processing, and they're buying prints from jpg's, I would not shoot the NEF files with the D40 (or the D80 for that matter).

On the D40 image quality may be set to jpg Fine and file size to Large giving only 4-1 data compression vs 16-1 in jpg Basic mode - (with no NEF(RAW) data saved), and the resulting images will be much improved.

Resolution of the D80 will buy you some IQ for larger prints or cropping. But I have made lots of 8X10's at greater than ISO 400 on the D40 and there is no appreciable noise. I suspect your issue is with the jpg Basic file that is all you can get when you shoot both NEF (RAW) and a jpg on the D40.

And again you must make absolutely certain ISO AUTO is OFF. No matter what you do, if the camera menu item is set to ISO Auto, it will override whatever ISO you set manually until ISO reaches the upper limit and shutter speed reaches the lower limit (you set) then it will reduce that as well.

However, I always run ISO Auto ON because with the Fine jpg's I see good results up to 8X10 all the way out to ISO 1600. For NEF's I turn it off and set ISO manually. (works for me anyway)

Now that I know you are shooting in an indoor arena though, you may need faster lenses and/or a large flash - which you may not be allowed to use, leaving faster glass as your best option.

Hope some of this helps and sorry for the rambling - it has been a loooong day.

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#36. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Thank you, I've got well over 80,000 photos on my D40 so am pretty intimate with it. It's like a pair of favorite shoes...
I do set everything on Fine on both bodies and ISO at 100 on the D80 and 200 on the D40 and don't change it unless I really need the light.
I can't use a strong strobe flash as it will spook the horses. I don't shoot often in an indoor though which is good. It's mostly outside, but it does get challenging when the sun starts going down.
I do probably need faster glass, but it's a trade-off on being killed by an out of control horse (being too close) losing some quality, and good old money.
I was shooting a jump competition last year and standing around 30 feet from one of the jumps and a horse went out of control and was galloping straight toward me (I was crouched down on the ground of course). The Announcer yelled over the microphone, "Jennifer Watch out!", and I got out of the way in time.
Scary...

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#37. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Jennifer...

Ah yes the old "run for your life ploy" know it well as I shoot drag racing cars and they like to eat photogs.

I know you probably have checked but that Auto ISO thingy is a real pain. One of the reasons I added a D200 is that I can set the camera up for various shooting conditions and turn it on or off plus my image quality settings (and almost anything else I can imagine) and then just select from the various set-ups. I can go from bright daylight to dark and set the camera with just a few button pushes. Great!

I hear you about the long, fast glass prices! Be careful.

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Capriherb Silver Member Nikonian since 31st Jan 2009Mon 16-Feb-09 01:31 AM
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#38. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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metro Columbus Area, US
          

I always have a nice conversation with the announcers and ask them to please PLEASE keep an eye out for me on the jump shots. I get some great shots, but I can't be watching the horse from a long distance as I'm working on getting that shot of the horse over the jump where I am.
I can imagine it's the same with you. Fun, but you want that 300mm between you and the shot!<G> I'm sure you probably use a longer lens than that?
I'd love to have a D200 or a D3! But I don't make enough money, more a hobby that pays the bills at times to justify my equipment now.
It's a passion for those action shots that keeps me going though. Love it!!!

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PeteCamp Registered since 25th Oct 2008Mon 16-Feb-09 03:19 PM
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#39. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Midland, US
          

Don't give up hope on the D200. I got one here from a fellow Nikonian for about what I paid for my D40 kit a year ago. The D3 price drop may be a while yet.

As a matter of fact, I have to get closer to the track rather than use longer lenses. Because of all the guard rails, signs and stuff. 200mm is pretty long for me. Wish I could hear the announcer. 3000 horsepower makes that impossible.

Car shows (static displays) are a lot safer. Good luck.

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#40. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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US
          

Until I am shooting consistently good (relative term, I know) photos with my D60 and truly know how and when to use it's feature set, I won't even consider upgrading. I suspect when that day comes, I'll know how far up the food chain to go. Heck, I'm still working on WB.

  

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#41. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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It's good to read this thread. I get all glassy-eyed looking at D90 and D700s, but, heck, I haven't even got the hang of this D40 yet. I fool myself into thinking that if I had a fancier gadget that I wouldn't need to spend as much time getting proficient. Thanks for the info gang. I needed it!

  

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dave_gt Basic MemberTue 17-Feb-09 11:34 AM
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#42. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Hi, Corkster...

Yes, the whole reason for posting this thread is to get people to think before they spend their hard-earned cash on the "latest and greatest" electronic gizmo that will depreciate to nothing in a very short time only to be replaced with another, etc., etc....

There is an old saying about how it's not the camera...but, it is the camera. If you are going to go places in photography that you simply need another camera for, then, by all means do it. It's your vision and/or desire and it is your money.

But, I use the D40 for 90% of all the pictures I make in any given month. Snapshots. Portraits. Documentary...Then, I use the D2X for action sports, motorsports, etc....And of course, I use the Leica M3 and other film body cameras for entirely different uses.

Hopefully, this thread has stirred the thoughts of people who previously thought they had to throw their money at another "better" camera...these are tough economic times, so, it is my hope that folks will just enjoy what they have and use these wonderful cameras to the fullest extent possible.

Enjoy life...it's a short movie...


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#43. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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metro Columbus Area, US
          

Dave:
How many shots do you think you have on your D40? I don't think I've mentioned it but my "day job" is selling antique glass and pottery on eBay. So I have gone through a lot of digital cameras in the last 15 years.
One thing that Nikon told me (and most likely true with ALL digital cameras is that in order to get the most life out of your D40, it should be reset after every few hundred photo. I routinely do a reset on it all the time. The tech said that the processor gets messed up when shooting in mixed lighting (what I do 90% of the time) and resetting it will lengthen the life.
My D40 is to the point now that sometimes it just won't work. Not often and sitting it to the side in the off position for 5 minutes makes it start working again, but that's the reason I purchased my new body for Christmas (the D80).
I've had the Coolpix (before DSLR) and a top of the line Sony, and I will say they only lasted for around 30,000 shots. This one has way outlived the others.
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#44. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Livermore, CA, US
          

>One thing that Nikon told me (and most likely true with ALL
>digital cameras is that in order to get the most life out of
>your D40, it should be reset after every few hundred photo
...
>The tech said that the processor gets messed up when shooting
>in mixed lighting (what I do 90% of the time) and resetting it
>will lengthen the life.

Frankly, that sounds like utter nonsense to me.

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Capriherb Silver Member Nikonian since 31st Jan 2009Tue 17-Feb-09 07:59 PM
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#45. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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I shoot with a mix of incandescent, florescent and OTT lighting. You can read on the internet where this is really confusing to the cameras. Just cause you ain't heard it, don't make it nonsense...

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Tue 17-Feb-09 09:33 PM by MotoMannequin

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So... since you read it on the internet then it's not nonsense? Ok... Can you offer any explanation why AWB would become confused over time? I would think it's a 100% deterministic function.

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Mark113 Registered since 06th Feb 2008Wed 18-Feb-09 06:23 AM
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#49. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Sorry, I have to agree that is pure nonsense. I'm an electrical engineer. I work with video equipment all the time, and I design chips that perform video processing algorithms. You can't reduce the lifespan of a piece of electronics by "confusing" an algorithm. There is no a little man in there saying "oh ####, not another lighting situation!. What do I do this time?"
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.... of course THIS is on the internet too, right?


>I shoot with a mix of incandescent, florescent and OTT
>lighting. You can read on the internet where this is really
>confusing to the cameras. Just cause you ain't heard it,
>don't make it nonsense...


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#46. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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The D50 was my first DSLR and although I have other more sophisticated Nikon DSLRs now I still have that D50 and keep going back to it. Great for travel because of its compact size and light weight. This picture was taken with it at the Basilica in Esztergom, Hungary last summer with available light.


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#48. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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#51. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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The CMOS light sensor is what needs the reset.
I dare say that I shoot a LOT more photos with mixed lighting than most people here (several hundred shots a week for the last 5 years) and when you are doing this, the light sensors get screwy. They are looking for certain qualities and when they repeatedly don't get them, the images start distorting in exposure and RGB. I also reset the White Balance at least once a month on my "eBay" camera although I'm shooting under the same exact lighting constantly with the same background.
You will get too much on the red side, or the image will start going too dark or too light. I've experienced it which is what prompted my call to Nikon and their information.
You can believe it or not. But I know from EXPERIENCE that what they told me was correct, not only on my 3 Nikons but the Sony as well. I thought my Sony was broken and the Nikon tech told me to do a reset (it's a bit strange on how it is done in the Sony and I had never done it) which fixed it as well.


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#53. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Respectfully, I still don't buy it. A CMOS sensor has no memory. When it's powered off, it has no settings to retain. There is nothing to reset. As I sit here at work, I have lot of operating CMOS sensors (and a few CCD), both infrared and visual spectrum, all subject to extremes of exposure, temperature and and rarely powered off for weeks at a time. I also work with a very accomplished Solid State Physicist who commented that "screwy" is not a known state of a CMOS sensor.

Maybe your reset is actually changing or restting some other "stuck" setting in the camera, but I seriously doubt if the sensor is one of them.


>The CMOS light sensor is what needs the reset.
> I dare say that I shoot a LOT more photos with mixed lighting
>than most people here (several hundred shots a week for the
>last 5 years) and when you are doing this, the light sensors
>get screwy. They are looking for certain qualities and when
>they repeatedly don't get them, the images start distorting in
>exposure and RGB. I also reset the White Balance at least
>once a month on my "eBay" camera although I'm
>shooting under the same exact lighting constantly with the
>same background.
>You will get too much on the red side, or the image will start
>going too dark or too light. I've experienced it which is
>what prompted my call to Nikon and their information.
>You can believe it or not. But I know from EXPERIENCE that
>what they told me was correct, not only on my 3 Nikons but the
>Sony as well. I thought my Sony was broken and the Nikon tech
>told me to do a reset (it's a bit strange on how it is done in
>the Sony and I had never done it) which fixed it as well.
>
>
>


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#54. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Paignton, GB
          

>The CMOS light sensor is what needs the reset.

Your D80 (along with the D40, D40X and D60) has a CCD sensor, not CMOS.

> I dare say that I shoot a LOT more photos with mixed lighting
>than most people here (several hundred shots a week for the
>last 5 years) and when you are doing this, the light sensors
>get screwy. They are looking for certain qualities and when
>they repeatedly don't get them, the images start distorting in
>exposure and RGB...

>...You can believe it or not. But I know from EXPERIENCE that
>what they told me was correct.

I'm afraid I too am of the opinion that what you have been told is not true. Resetting the camera can certainly overcome some types of problem - those connected with inadvertently changing a setting, for example - but there is a lot of experience around at Nikonians, and I have never seen it suggested before that DSLR's "drift" of their own accord in exposure or WB over time.

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#50. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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McKinney, US
          

You know, sometimes I drive my Toyota to work, and sometimes I drive my Corvette. They both get me there without a problem, and no one at work knows how I got there that morning. But I will tell you, the drive to work in the Vette is a lot smoother, faster and a heck of a lot more fun.
If you don't care to push the limits, then stick with basic machinery and get to your destination. But if you are Mario Andretti, by all means get the D700... err, I mean the Corvette.

Mark

>Thanks to Ken Rockwell, you can see some great images by
>these little cameras. Go here and ask yourself, why would you
>spend more money on a camera body for still life images?
>Hmmmm...
>
>http://www.abqstyle.com/
>
>
>dave


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dave_gt Basic MemberWed 18-Feb-09 03:14 PM
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#52. "RE: Here is why you should not upgrade D40,D40x,D50,D60"
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Re-read #42...

Having own many Corvettes, I don't disagree that it is (was) fun. But this is about an "entry-level" camera where many folks are duped into upgrading at a significant cost while thinking that their photography will improve.

Hopefully, again, readers will realize, that for many people, the D40 is all they need at the moment.

BTW, I no longer drive Corvettes, as I found my old '51 MGTD a lot more fun...go figure.

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