He's only repeating the stories that have been floating around for several months now but he's doing it in a way that makes out that he is first with the story.
When (and obviously there will be a when sometime in the future) the D60 comes out will that not present a problem for Nikon. At that point they will have used D50, D60, D70 and D80 so where will the numbering system go from there?
Maybe we could start another rumour right here right now (Ken are you listening?)
"The D60 will be the last DX sized sensor consumer DSLR from Nikon. Next year the B series cameras will start appearing. All B series consumer DSLR's will have a full frame sized sensor." (B stands for Big Sensor)
Ummm hate to tell you this.... but there is absolutely not a chance that the D60 will replace the D50. Canon has the D60 trademarked already........
I have ZERO faith in Ken Rockwell. Shows you how much he knows.
The man reviews equipment he hasn't even touched.... read more than half of his reviews and he states that.
What got me, was that in his review of the 70-300ED he said that you would be better off buying the 70-300G because in his eyes the performance is exactly the same. He doesn't understand that the ED glass gives superior contrast over the G lens because of the coatings, he says that the plastic construction is no big deal and that the ED's metal construction is not worth the extra simply because the glass and element layout was exactly the same.
"I suspect the $310 ED version is the same as this G lens optically." - he says..... DOH!
In that same review, he states that he hadn't actually had any hands on experience with the lens. When I looked up his 70-300ED review.... he also had a similar note on there.....
This man gives advice without any experience of the actual products, he reads the specs and decides what to write. His website is a complete waste of time and I would fully reccommend that people avoid it if they are new to the hobby, because he will only feed you misinformation.
I'm sure some people here may say I'm a little harsh on the guy, but I did buy the G lens as per his suggestion. I had the money for the ED lens, but chose the G lens because according to Ken, the money wasn't gonna give me any better photos. I've since borrowed an ED lens... and I was HOPPING mad at the results... shoulda bought the ED.
Actually I just reread his reviews. Seems he still spouts off about the ED glass being the same performance as the G lens, but he has added to his ED review since the last time I've been there.... aparently he's tried the lens twice now.... that wasn't there before
I just love how the guy spouts off about his conspiracies on that review more than actually reviewing the lens itself.....
Anyways, power to the guy, if he can make a buck or two the way he does then it's worth it.... right? ?
That web site is a complete waste of time. Rockwell goes on rants which start with a thread of truth, make ridiculous leaps of logic which inevitably lead to absurd conclusions, with the implication that his insights make him either smarter or more willing to tell the truth. The truth is that Rockwell is a troll.
The one that got me was his raving about the pro build quality on the 18-200 VRII, compared with his objective complaints on the Sigma 10-20 that he just didn't trust the feel. Not that you'd ever compare these lenses, but comapring the reviews of them, I own(ed) both and I have to say the Sigma feels like a solid piece of granite compared to the Nikkor. Don't bother to look up his ravings on the pro-build 18-200 VRII, he revised the page after pictures of Brian's self-disassembling 18-200 circulated the net. Apparently Ken was concerned about his credibility
Is it a coincidence that the results of his wide-angle shootout just happen to match the older review he wrote comparing the Tokina 12-24, Sigma 10-20, and the Nikkor 12-24, before he had touched either of the 3rd party lenses. That's a clue right there not to trust his results.
I've heard people say that they like Ken because he "ruffles feathers". Trolls do that here too, but they're usually frowned upon.
On the subject of D60, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a "D50s" for a year before the next replacement comes around. That would follow Nikon's recent time scale on the D70/D70s/D80.
And I don't think the D50 6MP is necessarily too little for the D50 market niche. Looking at the current market, we see the D50 6MP $600, Canon 350D 8MP $800, D80 10MP, $1000.
Anyway, the D50 always did and always will take great pictures. The D80 is a very tempting upgrade but I'm fighting the urge to go onto a 1-year upgrade cycle on my camera body. Glass is more important in the long term scheme, and there's always another piece of glass to buy...
With all due respect Brian, I would normally not 'bash' anybody for most reasons.
Ken Rockwell talked me into buying a cheap lens thinking I was getting the equivelant performance of the ED glass due to his review. Since then, I've learned the hard way that his pages seem more marketing than actual quality information. It is my opinion that he is simply out to make a buck by providing disinformation. It is only my opinion, but I am entitled to one.
I don't dislike the guy, I dislike what he does. If this is seen as bashing him then by all means, I wholeheartedly apologize. However I will put forth a suggestion that the Nikonian forums are a place for people to share information, or more to the point.... a place for newbies to actually get some decent help on anything Nikon related. For the most part it is awsome; the information presented on this site is well refined, the people very helpful. I find it hard to believe that anyone whom knows Ken's work to be the way it is would actually call out and ask for some respect for him knowing that it is hindering the very core foundation of what Nikonians is all about.... True Information.
Basically what I'm saying is that I am not knocking the guy for doing what he is doing the way he is doing it.... I am simply venting the fact that I believe that his information is unqualified and lazy, and that I would have given my left eye to have had someone point out his shortcomings before his dis-information wasted my own money. I think other people in the buying position would appreciate knowing how flimsy Ken's reviews really are before making a decision to spend money.
As for the publicity part. He can have all the publicity he wants, good or bad. It fails to concern me in the least.... what does concern me though, is when someone looking for help is refered to Ken's pages from a Nikonians post, and that individual is let down by the purchace he/she makes. I've been there, done that.... it wasn't fun.
Yes, Nikonians is certainly about helping others, but it is also about showing respect for others. The trick is maintaining both these tenets at the same time. It's difficult, but we put a lot of effort into it. When you've been a member for longer, you'll probably understand better where I'm coming from... Until then, take it from me that we don't like nasty public comments about any other websites.
>Hi Kevin, > >Yes, Nikonians is certainly about helping others, but it is >also about showing respect for others. The trick is >maintaining both these tenets at the same time. It's >difficult, but we put a lot of effort into it. When you've >been a member for longer, you'll probably understand better >where I'm coming from... Until then, take it from me >that we don't like nasty public comments about any >other websites. > >Thanks!
Stop the bull about respect - you obviously have none for Kevin.
>When you've been a member for longer, you'll probably understand >better where I'm coming from...
Im not the only one who can read between the lines, and I have to say that is a rather embarassing (for you) blunder, being as this is the most disrespectful comment in the whole thread (save for possibly my own).
Secondly, what you termed as "nasty public comments", Kevins remarks were clearly defined as his own experience. Both posts made it clear that he was not attacking Kens character (thus, no disrespect) and they were no more (possibly less) nasty than your own.
You seem to have chosen an interesting topic for your first post here!
Sometimes it is necessary to be quite explicit in explaining to our newer members what sort of behaviour is expected here, particularly if what was intended as a polite hint (like my first post in the thread) is not understood. If my second post came across as "nasty" then I apologise to Kevin.
The bottom line is that we do not want people to post uncivil attacks on other websites here at Nikonians, with terms such as "waste of time", "...he screwed me" and "...troll". There are ways of getting a message across without overdoing it, as (for example) Bobj showed in his posts.
a) Upload, email, post or otherwise make available any content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.
Thanks Brian. Interesting read. I decided to leave this thread alone the past few days until you felt the need to direct ME to that quote in the rules.
Defamatory would be the ONLY thing in there that would reflect on this thread... and if you read your own posts... Ken aparently loves the attention no matter if it's good or bad. So really.... what is the problem.
Anyways I will say this... that defaming the guy would be me telling everybody and their mother that he is useless and stupid or the likes. I didn't do that. I stopped short of ANY personal attack on the man. All I have stated... quite simply.... is that his reviews should be taken with a grain of salt, and that anyone basing a decision on one of those reviews should certainly get more advice than just Ken's.
At no point in this thread have I actually defamed Ken.... heck, for all I know he could be one of the best persona's on the planet... but I can't say either way simply because I don't know him. All I've said is that his reviews are flaky and need to be backed up with other resources.
Anyways, I apologized before Brian. I don't feel the need to batter a dead horse here. I'm sure you will agree. To step back and reiterate my original concern, let me rephrase it in a way you can at least agree with.
Ken Rockwell's reviews have been known to be flawed and careless on occasion, according to some Nikonians including myself. It is up to the individual to make his/her own choice about the matter, but if you are basing a decision on one of his reviews you should be sure to get other opinions, even asking here at Nikonians for any input. This should be standard practice for any source really.
> Ummm hate to tell you this.... but there is absolutely not a chance that the D60 will replace the D50. Canon has the D60 trademarked already........ > > > I have ZERO faith in Ken Rockwell. Shows you how much he knows.
According to the US Patent and Trademark Office "D60" is not trademarked by Canon.
Go to http://www.uspto.gov/ Select "Search Trademarks" on the left, then select "Free Form Search (Advanced Search)".
You are new here so welcome. Jeremy Gilbert of Nikon UK indicated in UK press interviews 2 months ago the D50 is likely to be replaced early next year. What ken is reporting was "news" 2 months ago at Nikonians. As the D50 and D70 share the same sensor it is likely the D50 replacement will share the D80 - sensor i.e. 10 MP.
Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.
Nikons own President, Michio KARIYA, wisely states "The camera market is such that we must double the power of our camera's every 12 months." So the D60 is due in November and features the new 12 Mp sensor, and takes RAW images at 6 fps. Long live Nikon.
Incidentally, they are calling this camera the D60, because Nikon have done a Sony. Canon are about to close shop having sold out to Nikon.
This is all getting to be as believable as a Hollywood blockbuster. LOL.
I think Ken is right this time! But according to my other source, is going to be a 10MP CCD by kodak, a variation from the one currently use in the Leica M8... with advance microlens angle thing~
it will have a adapter to fit Nikon's own rangefinder lens(if you still have them), so to complete with the new Leica line of digital rangefinder... and of course, Nikon has develop the unimaginable rangefinder/SLR camera. With a simple push of a button, it will change from SLR to a rangefinder camera within 10 second... Dont ask me how, but it can! Rumor has it that the D60 will use cloth shutter, just b/c Leica couldn't do it with there digital and nikon can!
with all that being said, Nikon will feature a state of the art, build-in VRIII, which basically will do miracle.
and it sure will not have the build-in anti-dust feature, thatz b/c nikon is once again a step ahead and introduce the removable, renewable, and rewashable CCD protector that just fit perfectly on-top of the CCD! Benefit are cost and zero dust!
Well all the kidding aside. I do believe the replacement for the D50 will be, either the D50s with added features, much like they did the D70 or, they will make the D60 but, with an 8MP sensor. I dont think they will give you a D80-200 sized sensor at entry level. They want to keep a seperation between the user caste structures. Or that is my opinion.
If you read on the D60 page in the Introduction, Ken Rockwell himself states that "Everything you've heard is baloney, since the people who really know aren't talking."..... then he gives us all the info about it. I dont understand what the man was thinking when he wrote that because it is just pretty contradicting his whole page on the review, he is also saying that nobody really knows, and makes it look like he does....in my opinion there are always rumors out there before a product comes out, so you never know which one is right, in my opninion.... i would imagine the replacement of the D50(whatever it will be called) to have less megapixels than the D80 and the D200 just because it is an entry level dSLR... but Nikon might surprise us and take a leap in the market.... i guess we will all have to wait and find out later.
Also, Ken Rockwell tries to get a living off of what he is doing, as far as i know he has a lot of reviews, and recent ones, compared to others... Everybody has their weaknesses at work, i wont mention any of his, as we might already know.... But if you only read his review and buy and product and arent happy about then go and blame Ken, it is yoru fault, usually i ask a lot and alot (people usually get annoyed), but that way you wont get something bad, you can learn off of somebody elses experience. Not yours.....
I wonder what lense the Replacement of the D50 will have???????
>If you read on the D60 page in the Introduction, Ken >Rockwell himself states that "Everything you've heard is >baloney, since the people who really know aren't >talking."..... then he gives us all the info about it.
Ah yes, see, with Ken you have to read between the lines. It's pretty obvious what he's saying here. For even more insight, check out his review on the new Nikkor 18-135 DX, specifically his commentary on the surfer shot.
>i would imagine >the replacement of the D50(whatever it will be called) to >have less megapixels than the D80 and the D200 just because >it is an entry level dSLR...
I don't recall the D50 having less MP than the D70 when it was introduced. The D50 replacement Dxx will have 10MP because it will use largely the same components as the D80 but with things stripped out to give the perecption of less value. It would actually cost Nikon more to put a dedicated lower spec CCD in an entry level body only so why would they do that when the whole execise from their point of view is to cut costs. In addition marketing a brand new entry level camera with less MP would be marketing suicide and the biggest gift Canon, Sony, Pentax et al could ever get. This is the area of the market (upgrading P & S users) who are most swayed by the "more MP is better" argument that is used in retail stores.
True, you got a point... however, if they keeping on doin this in five to ten years we will be at 100MP, which is not going to happen.... the Replacement of the D50 probably will have 10 mp, at least for now...
Anyways the D80 just got released, and thats what i am mostly worried about...
do any of you guys know a place (website)where they review Nikon products and other camera products.... besides Kenrockwell.com , I just want to get some more info on camera's and lenses, especially lenses.... Thank you
Go to to the front Nikonian page there is information there about reviews. Thom Hogan is IMO very reliable (www.bythom.com) Most of the major photography web sites review bodies but not many go into much detail about lenses.
>>however, if they keeping on doin this in five to ten years we will be at 100MP, which is not going to happen
Never say never. It's only three years since a high end P&S had 3MP and Intel announced a few days ago that they will TRIPLE the processing power per watt of their CPU's by 2010 (4 years time). Wlist a 100MP sensor sounds far fetched today a 10MP entry level P&S for $400 with a 4GB memory card for $100 was simply not conceivable four years ago.
I've been shooting with Nikon equipment since 1967, both as a professional photographer and "for fun" (now I'm an old retired photographer). In defense of Ken Rockwell, I'd like to say that his reviews are more meaningful to photographers wanting to take "good" photographs as opposed to just being concerned with specs and "techno-talk". He has a lot of useful information on his website, and I for one enjoy reading his articles.
That said, it would be stupid to rely on a single source for any information.
As an aside, the Army-Air Force Exchange Service says that the D50 is "no longer available" online.
I just wanted to know if there were other websites too, because i read a lot.... i actually like ken rockwell i find his reiviews and articles very helpful, but i dont want it all coming from one place, you know what i mean?, so i am going to check out the other ones too, but will always read kens works, just because he has so many, and does a pretty decent job as far as i know...