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jrt81   Simi Valley, US  Registered since 09th Dec 2005 Fri 09-Dec-05 07:09 PM
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"I want brighter, clearer pics!"



Sorry for being vague on the subject.
I need some help as to what is the best upgrade i can get for my D50. I just bought my D50 a few weeks ago and been taking test shots. I noticed that some of my pics indoors aren't bright or clear enough.
I am not sure if I need a bigger flash (like the SB600) or a prime lens upgrade. I am planning on concentrating with portraits and candid shots, so I am setting aside my plans for a good zoom lens upgrade for now.
Thanks

Raoul

  

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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! soupdragon
09th Dec 2005
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! jrt81
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     Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! K1W1
09th Dec 2005
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          Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! edmun
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               Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! Shred
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               Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! jrt81
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! sebright Silver Member
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! kturner1
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! nickschneider
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! jrt81
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! cgaengineer
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! jrt81
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! MstrBones Silver Member
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Reply message RE: I want brighter, clearer pics! jrt81
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soupdragon     Basic Member Fri 09-Dec-05 07:16 PM
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I just bought the 85 1.8 and am really impressed.
It focuses very fast in low light and because of the large aperture it seems to capture more ambient light giving a better overall illumination.
It's also perfect for portraits and a great walk around optic, all round, a good lens, for me anyway.

  

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jrt81   Simi Valley, US  Registered since 09th Dec 2005 Fri 09-Dec-05 07:34 PM
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Thank you Soupdragon.

I have to check that lens out. I only have a very limited budget ($300), so hopefully that lens is within reach. If that's beyond my budget, what other prime(s) would you suggest?



  

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K1W1   Melbourne, AU  Registered since 19th Nov 2005 Fri 09-Dec-05 07:45 PM
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Everybody seems to rave about the 50mm 1.8 lens and it's only around $100 in the US I believe.

  

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edmun   eugene, US  Registered since 16th Sep 2003 Fri 09-Dec-05 08:05 PM
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Brighter sharper pictures can be achieved by many ways.

Set ISO to 400 or 800.

Learn to focus camera using center spot and then shift focus with focus lock depressed.

Learn to read histogram and then dial in + exposure compensation

Get a SB600 or SB 800 or check out the Sigma flashes - probably can not tell the difference unless you plan on becoming a pro-level flash shooter.

A new lens will probably not help because the problem is not lens related as much as a new user learning curve.

ledmun

  

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Shred   FI  Registered since 28th Oct 2005 Fri 09-Dec-05 09:06 PM
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Low light shooting requires quite good camera holding tecnique and some knowhow.
Flash will help a lot, just remember to bounce the flash or use diffuser.

Bright lenses (f2.8 and faster) help to achieve higher shutter speeds
but because of small apereture depth of field can be very shallow.
Shallow DOF is good thing in potraits as the background will be nice and smooth
but if you need to photograph a larger group then stopping down the apereture is must.

  

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jrt81   Simi Valley, US  Registered since 09th Dec 2005 Mon 12-Dec-05 02:44 PM
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Thanks Shred,
I will try to follow your advice as much as I can. I have always been just a P&S person, so I haven't played around with the other features of the D50.

  

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jrt81   Simi Valley, US  Registered since 09th Dec 2005 Mon 12-Dec-05 08:54 PM
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>Brighter sharper pictures can be achieved by many ways.
>
>Set ISO to 400 or 800.
>
>Learn to focus camera using center spot and then shift focus
>with focus lock depressed.
>
>Learn to read histogram and then dial in + exposure
>compensation
>
>Get a SB600 or SB 800 or check out the Sigma flashes -
>probably can not tell the difference unless you plan on
>becoming a pro-level flash shooter.
>
>A new lens will probably not help because the problem is not
>lens related as much as a new user learning curve.

Thanks ledmun,
I will take a lot more test shots and see if I can understand all these things in an DLSR camera. Just been taking P&S, full-auto pics all my life, so just starting to learn new things.
Raoul

  

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sebright Silver Member  Worthington, US  Nikonian since 25th Nov 2005 Sat 10-Dec-05 02:43 AM
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#6. "RE: I want brighter, clearer pics!"
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A good solid tripod is great indoors, unless you are shooting moving targets.

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kturner1     Registered since 12th Oct 2003 Sat 10-Dec-05 05:14 PM
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What white balance are you using? Try flash if that is the primary light source.

  

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nickschneider   Guelph, CA  Registered since 01st Dec 2005 Mon 12-Dec-05 02:29 PM
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The first thing you need to do is figure out and understand why some of your shots aren't bright and clear enough.

Is it camera shake?, is it out of focus?, is it that the lense is poorly suited to low light? Is it underexposure? And so on.

I'm not trying to be condescending, just trying to save you money.

A tripod, flash, 50mm/1.8 are all good upgrades for low-light photography. But you need to first figure out what you're trying to correct, then find the best tool to do so.

-Nick

  

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jrt81   Simi Valley, US  Registered since 09th Dec 2005 Mon 12-Dec-05 03:02 PM
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Hi Nick,

The first thing you need to do is figure out and understand
>why some of your shots aren't bright and clear enough.
>
>Is it camera shake?, is it out of focus?, is it that the
>lense is poorly suited to low light? Is it underexposure?
>And so on.
>
I think I did get camera shake, when I was taking pics of my 2 month old son. I think i was moving a lot. Guess this caused the camera shake, huh?
Also, my indoor shots seemed they needed more light. I feel like the built-in flash doesn't brighten as much.
I will try to borrow the SB600 and see if this is really an upgrade I need.

Thanks for your advice.

>I'm not trying to be condescending, just trying to save you
>money.

>A tripod, flash, 50mm/1.8 are all good upgrades for
>low-light photography. But you need to first figure out what
>you're trying to correct, then find the best tool to do so.
>
>-Nick

  

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cgaengineer   Winder, US  Registered since 31st Oct 2005 Tue 13-Dec-05 01:52 PM
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Two things fall close to your budget that would help get more light to your CCD:

50mm f/1.8
SB 600

You would be slightly over budget but if you can stretch it, you cant go wrong with either

  

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jrt81   Simi Valley, US  Registered since 09th Dec 2005 Mon 19-Dec-05 04:14 PM
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>Two things fall close to your budget that would help get
>more light to your CCD:
>
>50mm f/1.8
>SB 600
>
>You would be slightly over budget but if you can stretch it,
>you cant go wrong with either

Thanks.
I will try learning a lot more with the ISO and shutter speeds and hopefully decide from there which I would need "more."
Maybe Christmas will be kind to me and I can stretch my budget and get both.


  

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tgreene   Jonesboro, US  Registered since 02nd Nov 2005 Tue 13-Dec-05 02:21 PM
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I'm hoping to be able to purchase a couple of the new Sigma APO lenses in January.

Sigma 150mm APO F2.8 Macro EX DG

Sigma 50-500mm F4-6.3 APO EX DG
Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 APO EX DG
Sigma 100-300mm F4 APO EX


The 150mm APO Macro is a given, and while I really want a F2.8 tele-zoom, I shoot a lot of wilderness & rock climbing pics, so I feel the 50-500 would be the better choice.

  

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MstrBones Silver Member  AW  Nikonian since 06th Dec 2005 Tue 13-Dec-05 09:20 PM
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Raoul,

Here is a chance for you to learn a lot about your camera and the relationship between ISO, aperture and shutter speed, the basics really. If you don't like the images, well, just delete them.

Turn up the lights in the room.

Remove any external flash and don't flip up the built-in one...

Then, set your dial to "M" :^)

Set your ISO to 200
Set your aperture to the middle of its range for your lens zoom setting.
Set your shutter speed while looking through the viewfinder and watch the light meter reading move to around the center of its display, then observe the shutter speed. Unless you are experienced at holding at slower shutter speeds, have at least 1/60th of a second in the display. If so, take a picture and view it. If slower, then adjust the aperture to get at least to that. If that is not enough light, boost the ISO to 400, and recheck.

What you are trying to do...

By playing with shutter speed and aperture, you're deciding how much light comes into the camera and for how long. The ISO decides what gain is going to the sensor and is directly tied to how wide open you need your lens and how fast the shutter is going to stay open.

I hope this does not seem to basic. You will learn a lot about exposure and depth of field by going through this exercise.

Regards,

""

  

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jrt81   Simi Valley, US  Registered since 09th Dec 2005 Mon 19-Dec-05 04:04 PM
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>Raoul,
>
>Here is a chance for you to learn a lot about your camera
>and the relationship between ISO, aperture and shutter
>speed, the basics really. If you don't like the images,
>well, just delete them.
>
>Turn up the lights in the room.
>
>Remove any external flash and don't flip up the built-in
>one...
>
>Then, set your dial to "M" :^)
>
>Set your ISO to 200
>Set your aperture to the middle of its range for your lens
>zoom setting.
>Set your shutter speed while looking through the viewfinder
>and watch the light meter reading move to around the center
>of its display, then observe the shutter speed. Unless you
>are experienced at holding at slower shutter speeds, have at
>least 1/60th of a second in the display. If so, take a
>picture and view it. If slower, then adjust the aperture to
>get at least to that. If that is not enough light, boost
>the ISO to 400, and recheck.
>
>What you are trying to do...
>
>By playing with shutter speed and aperture, you're deciding
>how much light comes into the camera and for how long. The
>ISO decides what gain is going to the sensor and is directly
>tied to how wide open you need your lens and how fast the
>shutter is going to stay open.
>
>I hope this does not seem to basic. You will learn a lot
>about exposure and depth of field by going through this
>exercise.
>
>Regards,

David

Thanks for this very detailed help.
I will try these steps. They're not too basic. In fact, they seem to be clear enough.
Being a beginner in SLR, I am not very familiar with technical terms. I still have a lot to learn. And I think much simpler words are big help.

Thanks again

  

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anyholt   Houston, US  Registered since 21st Jul 2004 Thu 22-Dec-05 02:05 PM
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David's advice is probably the best so far on this thread. Force yourself to shoot in manual and learn to control your own exposures. You'll be very frustrated at first, but you'll be glad you did it. When I first got into SLR photography (film with an N65), I forced myself to only shoot in manual. I had to wait for my film to come back before I could learn if I was doing it right or not. You should be able to learn 1000x faster than me because now you can just check you LCD! Read you manual on how to shoot in manual mode, and then force yourself to do only that. Now I am just as fast in setting my exposure manually as I would be using aperature or shutter priority. It is well worth it.

After doing this, you'll have a better understanding of how exposing your image works, and you'll be able to better identify your particular problem, then buy the gear that will help you the most. As was my experience when just learning, the problem is usually the goober behind the camera, not the camera itself!

Have fun and experiment, experiment, experiment!

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Rickard_F   Karlstad, SE  Registered since 16th Dec 2005 Fri 16-Dec-05 08:33 PM
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I am very very satisfied with my sigma 30mm 1:1:4D. portraits and kid photos indoors and outdoors. Some people will talk down on sigma, I did too until I bought this lens.

/ Rick

-D2Hs Semper fidelis

  

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dwayner    Calgary, CA  Registered since 15th Jan 2005 Mon 19-Dec-05 05:05 AM
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SB600 best bang for the buck. Great fill flash outdoors. Can't go wrong. Adds pop to portraits.

  

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