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J3R Basic MemberWed 30-Nov-05 08:15 PM
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"Great pictures straight out of the D70"


Malmö, SE
          

I started writing my reply to another post and it became rather long as I strayed into some other topics that perhaps do not concern the original post. I hope that my thoughts will help anyone that is struggling to get great shots out of their D70.

You can get excellent images straight out of the camera. In my opinion, two important things are involved to do so. One is to tweak your custom settings. Keep in mind that custom settings will only be applied to jpg’s and/or raw files that are viewed in Nikon View and Nikon Capture. (You can always change those settings in Nikon Capture if you shoot raw)

For great pictures out of the camera try this:

Optimize image settings:
Sharpening +2
Tone comp auto
Color mode iiia for landscapes ia for people
Saturation enhanced
Hue adjustment 0

Then set your white balance to auto -3
Set your exposure comp to + 0.3


The other step to getting great shots straight out of the camera is to expose "more towards the right" of the histogram. I do not wish to start an argument about if the D70 underexposes, or if it just exposes for the highlights, or if it’s just metering neutral grey, we can call it whatever we want. Regardless of what it does, it is up to the photographer to choose the exposure; the meter reading is just a place to start from. Don’t forget that the camera is basing its metering on neutral grey which I think causes many people to misunderstand why some shots are so “underexposed”. I think it is a great thing that the meter does “what it does” as one can always fix a slightly underexposed picture much easier than one that is overexposed.

So after tweaking your custom settings it comes down to the photographer having to make a decision before taking a picture. For example, if I know that I want to post process something, then I go ahead and protect the highlights, sometimes even exposing under what the meter says. If I am trying to get the picture perfect out of the camera, which I do most of the time, I will usually need to overexpose from what the meter says.

Check your histogram as you shoot, and adjust the exposure compensation as needed. You want to push the histogram to the right! + .03 is a good default setting for starters, but the important part is that you don’t blindly rely on the meter, which is seeing everything in grey, or protecting the highlights at all costs, or whatever you want to call it, even if it means drab dark pictures. This is a good thing, because if you plan on post processing then you will always be able to, but if you want great pictures straight out of the camera you really need to nail your exposures, which means learning to recognize how the camera sees things, and adjusting accordingly.


Color Space Disclaimer (Not meant to start a war): I have seen a lot of half understood information about color spaces on the net and thought I would share my thoughts here. I have also read posts from people that do indeed know what they are talking about, so this is for those that are confused by some of the conflicting information available on the net.

I work with color spaces professionally every day, both with design as well as programming those little things we call bits. Despite what many people will tell you, Adobe RGB does not have more colors. The truth is that it has primaries that are more saturated. Both SRGB and Adobe RGB have the exact same number of colors; it is bit depth that determines the number of color variations. Because Adobe RGB primaries are more saturated, this means that each transition from one shade to the next is farther apart. Because SRGB primaries are less saturated, this means that each transition between each shade is closer together.

The truth is that both wide gamut and narrow gamut color spaces have strong points and weak ones; one should never blindly just use one or the other. For example, if you are shooting something very saturated, you can get more saturation out of Adobe RGB. However, if your subject does not have extremely high levels of saturation, you are better off with SRGB for the tighter spacing between the tones. The tighter spacing of SRGB will create better skin tones, as well as give you more latitude for editing without posterization. While it is true that 12 or 16 bit makes the “spacing” of tones so tight that you can get away with a good bit of editing in a wider space, a narrower color space will always allow more leeway when editing.

cheers,

Jer

http://www.j3r.com/photo/

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

  

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jku Registered since 28th Oct 2005Wed 30-Nov-05 08:39 PM
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#1. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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GB
          

Hi Jer,

The pictures on your website are amazing. I have a couple of questions:

1. Were they all taken with your D70?

2. Which lens did you use for your macros?

Cheers

john

  

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BlackDE Basic MemberWed 30-Nov-05 09:04 PM
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Wow. I agree. Amazing pictures. Let us know what equipment you are using (lenses, etc.).

Cheers,
Bernhard

Did you back up your stuff today?

Gruss,
Bernhard

  

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J3R Basic MemberWed 30-Nov-05 09:33 PM
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#3. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you both jku and BlackDE!

All the images in my gallery were taken with the D70. Anything that looks like it was taken with a macro lens was with the Sigma 150. Everything else is shot with the 18-70 kit lens, except the following:

“Turning Torso” was shot with the Sigma 10-20 which I just recently purchased.

“Le Mont Saint Michel” at sunset is taken with a Nikkor 70-300 which I borrowed just for that shot; not the best lens but it worked for the occasion and was all that was available.

Thanks again for your comments on the pictures.

cheers,

Jer

http://www.j3r.com/photo/

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Fantastic images there J3R.

One question about color space. If I move out of sRGB and into Adobe RGB, will my lab me able to see that profile? When I open the image with photoshop, it asks me I want to use the attached colour profile. I am wondering how the lab's equipment would interpret this. I love the flexibility of the 2 colours spaces but maybe I need to send the same image with 2 different profiles to see if my lab can utilize the extra data?


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J3R Basic MemberThu 01-Dec-05 12:09 AM
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#7. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you!

I am not sure I understand the question, but I will babble for a bit anyway. You should not be converting back and forth between color spaces in Photoshop, however if you shoot RAW you can flip back and forth between spaces in Nikon Capture without any damage, as Nikon Capture is just simulating the color space on the RAW data.

Most labs use SRGB or a color space that is very close to SRGB. If you shoot in Adobe RGB you will need to convert to SRGB as a last step if you plan on printing at one of these labs, or have your own high end inkjet printer that can actually print the colors of Adobe RGB, or find a lab that uses such a printer.

I am probably digging my own grave here, as I am sure many disagree with me, but I would recommend to most people to shoot in SRGB, and not spend another minute reading about color spaces; spend your time outside with your camera taking pictures in awesome light! All the pictures in my gallery are shot in SRGB, and in the printed versions the color pops! Shoot in amazing light, that’s what will give you awesome color.

If you really want to spend a lot of time, then read a few books about color management, and then you will be able to know when to use which space, if it is a good book that is. =) You can also read through about a thousand pages on the net, each with different information, some true, some false, and experiment yourself to figure out what is true. If you are going to use Adobe RGB, you need to learn about maintaining a color managed workflow. If you use Adobe RGB incorrectly it will look awful, if you use it correctly it will look great, but so does SRGB! Am I going in circles? I have used both color spaces correctly, and there is honestly not much difference as far as final color, and I find the tighter variations of tone in SRGB to be more pleasing.

Another interesting thing to consider is that most monitors, and I mean unless you have spent as much on your monitor as you did on your camera like I have, cannot even show the Adobe RGB space. If you are looking to have your prints look like they do on your monitor, then get yourself an EIZO, shoot in SRGB (EIZO can actually handle Adobe RGB as well), and spend more time shooting and less time worrying about color spaces.

cheers,

Jer

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csbrown Basic MemberThu 01-Dec-05 12:53 AM
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#10. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Any EIZO recommendations?

  

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#21. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

If money is no object, or you can write off your monitor as a business expense, then there is no other choice than the cg220. With this monitor you will be able to see the colors in Adobe RGB. Hey and then after you spend all that money you will realize you like SRGB better for photography! =ž Seriously though, do not follow this link if you suffer from NAS, this is the monitor of all monitors!!! You have been warned:

http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg220/index.asp

This is the one I would recommend as being plenty for most photographers, probably a huge step up from whatever most people are using, and worth every penny:

http://www.eizo.com/products/lcd/l887/index.asp

Here are some more I would recommend:

http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg210/index.asp

http://www.eizo.com/products/lcd/S2410W/index.asp

http://www.eizo.com/products/lcd/l997/index.asp

Edited to add:
For any of these monitors you will want a graphics card that supports DVI. Although these monitors will work with analog, the difference with digital is huge (yes I have tried it just to see) and you do not want to waste all that money on a monitor if your graphics card does not support DVI. On the bright side, buying a new graphics card will be cheap compared to the monitor.

cheers,

Jer

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edoruan Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 03:35 PM
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#82. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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New York, US
          

J3R,

I should really wait till I have more time to get into this, but I have one point/question. I'm a retired pro from the era of film. I still go on a couple of trips a year, and I try to do a travel package, photos and text. (edofoto.com)

I want every frame I expose in my Nikon DSLRs to be able to be reproduced in a magazine. I'm told by DISC, a publishing standards group, that I must use the Adobe RGB color space for this end. I have a parttime job at a major US magazine, and they tell me they use the Adobe RGB space. What's wrong with this picture?

Edo

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J3R Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 06:08 PM
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#84. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi Edo

Nothing is wrong with this picture. Nice pun by the way, and good question.

Magazines as well as stock photo companies will want the pictures in Adobe RGB so that they (or their clients) have the option of printing in Adobe RGB, or converting to a narrower space. This is why if you must choose a permanent space (for example if you scan) it is best to choose Adobe RGB. Once an image is in a color space, you really don’t want to convert at all, but if you must, you want to convert from a wider space to a narrower one, not vice versa.

However, shooting in RAW, exporting to Adobe RGB for editing, then converting to SRGB for print is only going to cause posterization during editing for no reason whatsoever, and add an extra conversion to the process which is also degrading to the image.

This thread is more aimed at people that want to get great color directly from their D70 without any hassle. At the same time, I shoot RAW, so if a magazine contacts me and wants one of my photos in Adobe RGB, I can simply open the RAW file in Capture, and export it to TIFF/Adobe RGB from the RAW data, which takes about two seconds.

Each color space has positives and negatives, and it is up to the photographer to choose their workflow. I choose RAW because it leaves my options open just in case, but for most pictures I can just print them (at any lab) right out of the camera because they are shot in SRGB. Also, I like the look of SRGB better. Posterization doesn’t only happen in Adobe RGB when editing too much, it can happen straight out of the camera. For example, shoot some brightly colored flowers blurred in the background behind your subject in Adobe RGB, and you will have some ugly banded color in your photographs. With SRGB on the same shot you will get nice smooth gradient like blurs right out of the camera.

Edited to make clearer; I was interrupted by dinner. Sorry to anyone that read the half finished version of this post. =ž

cheers,

Jer

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edoruan Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 11:23 PM
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#87. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Jer,

That was the clearest and most helpful information I've yet to read on the subject of color space; thank you so much. I feel the clouds in my digi-cluttered brain disappearing.

It would seem to me that making a duplicate of important images at an early stage would be wise in this process. Of course, if I were working in RAW, I would be making duplicates (RAW to Tiff or RAW to JPEG). RAW is the master image I can return to again and again. (I never liked the RAW-is-a-negative analogy.) However, shooting RAW on a trip can present other problems that can gum up the workflow.

Is English a second language for you? If so, you have a marvelous ability with it.

Lastly, how can I get on your site to view your pics?

Edo in NYC

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J3R Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 11:50 PM
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#88. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Edo!

Glad that I was able to clear things up for you. Regarding your question about making duplicates, please check out post number sixteen within this thread for a discussion of my RAW workflow. I think that will answer your question about duplicates.

English is my first language, I live in Sweden, but I was born in D.C.

You should be able to view my site by clicking on:

http://www.j3r.com/photo/

The Flash player is required but the site should point you in the right direction if you do not have the correct version. Please tell me if you have any troubles, because that would mean something is wrong.

cheers,

Jer

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edoruan Basic MemberTue 06-Dec-05 02:13 PM
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#93. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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New York, US
          


Many years ago, I went to CU in DC, and I once spent exactly 30 seconds in Malmo. I was courting a young lady who was working on the ferry from Copenhagen, a lovely person.

When I go on your site, no matter what I click on, I just get the pic of your name on the wall. Hmmm. I'm sure the problem is on my end.

Edo

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J3R Basic MemberTue 06-Dec-05 07:30 PM
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#101. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

It sounds like you are probably on a slow internet connection. The little J3R in the frame only shows while pictures are loading. If you are on a fast connection you will never see it. If you are on a slower connection you will probably see it every now and then. If you are on a modem, you will be doing a good bit of waiting. =ž

However, if you just open the site, and then go make a cup of tea, (or dinner if your connection is really slow) the site will download everything in the background; you will then be able to browse through without waiting at all.

Please tell me if this does not solve your problem.

cheers,

Jer

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edoruan Basic MemberTue 06-Dec-05 03:26 PM
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#96. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Jer,

There's one thing on your list of settings I find curious: exposure compensation +0.3. Being a long-time film shooter, I underexposed my chromes by one-third or one-half stop. With B&W, I exposed for the shadows and was careful not to blow out the highlights when I developed the film. With digital, I have been underexposing by one-third stop. I am an admitted novice at digital, but my results look good, and if I can borrow and alter Duke Ellington's remark about music: If it looks good, it is good.

I'm not referring to the images on my Web site (edofoto.com), by the way. Many of those were Photoshopped to near death before I knew what I was doing. I'll be redoing the scans and site this winter.

Edo

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#102. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Edo,

By all means, if your pictures look good straight out of the camera (or you do not care if they do because you enjoy post processing) then don’t change anything. Digital is the same as slides, you want to protect the highlights, and ninety nine percent of the time the D70 does just that if you leave the exposure compensation alone. However this thread is about getting great pictures without post processing. I explained why I use the +.03 compensation in first post of this thread to the best of my ability. I think I will just start repeating myself if I explain it again. =ž

In short, it is up to the photographer to make adjustments, sometimes positive and sometimes negative compensation is needed. In general however, I find that positive compensation is needed far more often than negative, and I find +.03 to be the best default exposure.

cheers,

Jer

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edoruan Basic MemberTue 06-Dec-05 10:24 PM
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#104. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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New York, US
          

Hi again, Jer,

I'm at work at the moment, and my computer here allowed me to view your images, which are outstanding. The overall look reminds me of Eric Meola's work, but the pictures are very much your own.

I have a pretty fast DSL connection at home on a OX Mac. I suspect my problem is the program that let's you (but not me) view the site.

I will get around to reading and rereading all the entries on this subject in the next few days . . . but there are over 100 now. Thanks for all your help.

Edo

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J3R Basic MemberTue 06-Dec-05 10:54 PM
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#105. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you Edo for your kind comments!

I’ll check the site soon on a Mac and fix any problems if there are any. Thanks for making me aware.

And you’re very welcome, glad to help.

cheers,

Jer

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#145. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Fredericksburg, US
          

FYI- I have a Mac and had nor problems seeing your images. But it did take me a moment to figure out how to view each image.

-Kathy

  

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J Zee Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Apr 2004Wed 30-Nov-05 11:01 PM
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#5. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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US
          

And with the settings you mention in your original post?

Beautiful work. Well done!

J Zee

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J3R Basic MemberThu 01-Dec-05 12:15 AM
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#8. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you!

Yes all with those settings. The only setting I really change from the settings I listed above is the white balance. I have found auto -3 to be a good default setting, but sometimes I will change the white balance if I want a cooler or warmer color cast. I also of course adjust the exposure compensation all the time to keep the histogram snug to the right.

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J Zee Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Apr 2004Thu 01-Dec-05 02:10 AM
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#15. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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US
          

I'm just saying what's already been said, but thank you for this great information and your timely responses. Again, fantastic work.

J Zee

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J3R Basic MemberThu 01-Dec-05 02:38 AM
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#19. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

No problem, and nice tagline!

cheers,

Jer

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J Zee Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Apr 2004Thu 01-Dec-05 05:51 PM
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#32. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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US
          

Thanks, I should listen to my own advice!

J Zee

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#6. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Baltimore, US
          

Thanks for some straight forward and useful information and a look a what great work can be done with a D70 and the kit lens.

Lee Baylin

  

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#9. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Your welcome! Glad to know it’s appreciated!

cheers,

Jer

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#11. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Denver, US
          

I will also add that you have beautiful photos. I actually was looking at your gallery a few days ago. I think I found it from another post.

I have a workflow question for you. I don't use Nikon Capture. Right now, I use iPhoto for cataloging and Photoshop PS for image manipulation. I plan to buy Aperture soon because I have 7 iPhoto libraries to consolidate.

If I understand your post correctly, I would need to preprocess my raw files in Nikon Capture and then export the jpegs for archiving in iPhoto or Aperture if I wanted to take advantage of the settings you suggest. Am I correct about this? I was hoping to switch to Aperture for raw workflow, so that is disappointing.

I may try the 30 day trial of Capture again. I tried it on my Powerbook when I first bought the camera and I was too new to the D70 to get much use out of it. I have never installed it on my G5, so I should be able to get another 30 days to try it out, now that I am a little more experienced.

Thanks for your tips.

Rich

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#12. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Louisville, US
          

J3R, beautiful, dazzling work. Thank you for taking so much time to try to explain your 'secrets.' Much of it is beyond my expertise. Since I use Photoshop and not Capture I guess it doesn't make any difference. Your sense of composition is as impressive as you sense of color and light. DV

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#18. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you very much!

cheers,

Jer

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#16. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks Dark13star!

I will start off by saying that Nikon View and Nikon Capture are not the most wonderful software to work with. Nikon View’s folder tree is so buggy it’s almost hilarious. Capture I hear is slow unless you have tons of RAM, I do fortunately, and has some bugs as well but I have learned to live with them. However, I imagine that these programs will get better with time, so I am sticking with them because for me the advantages are well worth it.

The main advantage is that Nikon View shows my RAW files as they are, with my in camera settings applied. If I make an adjustment in Capture, those adjustments are evident when I browse the images next time in Nikon View. For this to work make sure to check – “Tools, Options, Performance, Save large previews for NEF files” in Nikon Capture, otherwise Nikon View takes forever to show each image that has been modified. For ninety-nine percent of my shots, all I need is my RAW file, no sidecar files to deal with, no PSD’s, no JPG’s, just the RAW files. I am not worried about future compatibility; if in the future I need to turn everything into some other format then my future computer will do it ten times faster than my current one. =)

So, I actually use Nikon View to organize all my photos, as buggy as it is. I make organization simple by deleting all the bad pictures. For birthdays and vacations I may save all the decent pictures which have sentimental value, but for “my photography” I wield a heavy hand, which takes discipline. I find this necessary, otherwise I just get lost and uninspired by the overwhelming amount of “ok” pictures. Basically I would rather be out shooting than editing every last photo I take, so if it isn’t a great shot I do my best to delete it. As time goes by my definition of a great shot becomes stricter, and even more photo’s find there way to the trash. Sometimes I will put a less than stellar shot in a folder just to remember the idea, with the intention of shooting it again another day, but it will eventually end up in the trash.

Ok I know that’s not exactly what you asked, but I have found that it helps me. Getting on to your question, if you use anything else (that I know of) besides Capture, than you will lose your in camera settings. This is fine if you plan on post processing everything you take, and some people enjoy that which is fine. I think some people like to start from scratch with every photo and work in Photoshop and develop their masterpieces, which is great, it’s just another style of shooting. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes I shoot with full intentions to run things through the Photoshop darkroom; I do this with high contrast situations like sunsets where I need to take two exposures and blend them, one exposure for the sky one for the foreground to make up for the limited dynamic range of the camera.

So I take a bunch of photos, I get home and I delete the total junk the first time through them. I come back the next day and choose favorites, delete the rest. Of those favorites, I will be totally happy with most as they are (remember I deleted all the junk), and I will do small tweaks in Capture on the rest. For shots that need black and white conversion, or removal of dust, or blended exposures I then move from Capture over to Photoshop and end up saving a PSD and JPG of the final image for reference.

cheers,

Jer

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#199. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Burnville, US
          

Very good advices Jer!

Drastic selection is key in this world of digital. Over 3 years I got a tone of pictures(40GB) and I finally decided to remove the not interesting ones! There is no other way. The ones with family members, events and friends I will definetely keep even if they are ok pictures the rest will go away.

Anyhow, the reason I'm replying to your post here is to find out what's your blending technique in Photoshop and to ask you this side question.

Since you're shooting NEF all the time isn't just better to extract two jpeg from you raw file one the has a good exposure of the sky and one that has a good exposure of the subject. The advantage of that is you'll never need a tripod... ( not if is daylight )

My best and great work btw!

D70 rocked,D80 was better,D300 is just awesome!
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#13. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Warner Robins, US
          

Spectacular! Thanks so much. Question....Do you shoot Raw, Jpeg, or Raw+Jpeg?
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J3R Basic MemberThu 01-Dec-05 02:36 AM
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#17. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you!

I shoot RAW always.

cheers,

Jer

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#14. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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I'll add my hat to the ring and say that your site and images are excellent. Very nice work.

Your optimized settings are not too far off mine when I have to shoot jpegs for quick turnaround at work. For my fine art prints, it's everything off and plunge into RAW and Capture.

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J3R Basic MemberThu 01-Dec-05 02:45 AM
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#20. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks Dan!

I enjoyed your gallery as well! Nice stuff!

cheers,

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#22. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Thanks for the reply J3R,

As to this comment "but I would recommend to most people to shoot in SRGB"

That is what I do. I also read somewhere that most labs run sRGB so I don't like to switch. What made me see a BIG difference on my LCD display was that I installed an action that corrected for the "+0.3 compensation" that you suggested. It works well in most situations but I noticed that as part of the action, it changed the colour space (I think) and it made the colours jumped off the screen. When I change it back to sRGB, the colours went "dull". Hence I was wondering if labs can see different colours profiles.

I agree with you. I try to get images off the D70 with minumum processing and would like to stay in sRGB. Thanks again!


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J3R Basic MemberThu 01-Dec-05 04:21 AM
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#23. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

No problem.

I have no clue what might have happened with that image, there are far too many variables. The difference between SRGB and Adobe RGB is not so drastic that a dull image becomes a bright and colorful one or a colorful one becomes dull. Usually sudden jumps of color have to do with viewing an image in the wrong color space.

Labs use machines that have there own color space. Your data will be interpreted into that space. If everything matches up then you will be able to hold up your prints to your monitor and they will look pretty darn close. If everything does not, then those prints will not look like they did on the monitor. Your goal should be to match color throughout your workflow. SRGB will make this happen without any thought. You can use Adobe RGB as well, but you need to know much more as the workflow will be more complicated. With Adobe RGB, with some pictures, you will get more saturation within certain extreme tones, but you will also sacrifice the tighter color gradation between all tones in SRGB.

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#24. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Aloha Jer! I must comment that your photos are awesome! You have a keen eye for composition. It was amazing to see what the Nikon D70 can do in the hands of a competent photographer. Ever since I started getting a bit more serious about digital photography with my old Sony Mavica with 12x optical zoom and macro, I've been observing my world with a different mindset. Now with the D70s, I hope to bring out the creativity and beauty I see in my world.

Mahalo for sharing!

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#28. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you for your kind comments mauiglide!

Yes the D70 is a very capable camera; I look forward to seeing some of your work!

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#25. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Beautiful photographs.Thank you.

  

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#29. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Thank you colin_b!

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#26. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Vienna, AT
          

Hi Jer,

thank god that there are people out there like you telling the truth without fearing to get offended by others.

The really weird thing with RAW/Adobe RGB is that people want to get the best quality out of their cameras and then - to make any use of it - "degrade" it to JPEG fine/sRGB which won´t even show a distinguishable difference to a JPEG fine/sRGB out of the camera

once again - thanks Jer - you made my day


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#30. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hey Virgil,

I am not really sure I follow your sentence! Yes if you shoot RAW then open it with Capture and export it as JPG then you have the same thing as if you had just shot JPG. However RAW does have many advantages for those that want to post process their photo’s, and even for those like me that just want the option. By shooting RAW you will have the maximum amount of data to work with if you decide to post process.

About getting the best quality out of your photos, this is where I see a lot of confusion; many are mislead into believing that Adobe RGB has something to do with higher quality and more colors, which is false, as I explained earlier.

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Jer

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#34. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Jer,

I tend to agree with your remarks, but I believe you may be slightly misleading some people.

It's true that sRGB results in as many distinct possible colors as Adobe1998 - 256*256*256 in the 8 bit world. However, the main advantage of Adobe1998 is it allows rendering of some colors perceivable by the human eye tht sRGB won't, primarily in the more saturated greens and blues. For example, 0-255-0 is a more saturated green in Adobe1998 then in sRGB.

A digital camera like the D70 is able to capture these more saturated colors at the sensor level; by rendering to Adobe1998 either in the camera or externally with a raw converter these colors are retained and not just "clipped" to the sRGB boundary.

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J3R Basic MemberThu 01-Dec-05 07:46 PM
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#35. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hey there Richard!

I certainly do not wish to mislead people.

The number of colors has nothing to do with color space; it has to do with bit depth. 8 bit per channel gives you 256*256*256, 12 bit (D70 RAW) gives you 4096*4096*4096, and this is true no matter what color space you are using. The human eye cannot see any difference between 8 bit, 12 bit, and 16 bit per channel. The higher bit depth only allows for you to manipulate the image more, with less rounding errors.

What you say about Adobe RGB is true and it the same thing that I said in this sentence:

“Adobe RGB does not have more colors. The truth is that it has primaries that are more saturated.”

The main question for most people will be if they can see the difference between two final prints, one from an SRGB workflow and one from and Adobe RGB workflow, assuming both workflows are done correctly. Many people will claim they can, some will admit they cannot, and some will say they can but will notice that each picture has some qualities that are better than the other. If you do understand color spaces and do have a printer that can print Adobe RGB, and you get great results, then by all means continue what you are doing.

Don’t get me wrong Adobe RGB does have its place, which I think I have also said. If you need more saturated green shadows and mid tones, or richer magenta and orange highlights, then Adobe RGB has a little more to offer, assuming your workflow is correct and you have a printer that can print the Adobe RGB color space. Nonetheless, using that space you will always be sacrificing the smoothness of transitions between tones. As I said before, if one really wants to learn all this stuff, then they should, and it sounds like you do know it. It is then up to the individual to choose the right space for their photography, whether that means choosing the color space each time based on the subject, or sticking with one color space that works for them and gives great results.

I have used both and have found that for me the ease of workflow with SRGB as well as the tight transition of tones outweighs the more saturated primaries in Adobe RGB. By all means I encourage people to try both.

I think there is a misconception that Adobe RGB will make all ones pictures just pop like crazy, and this is not true, as you said, we are just talking about some extra saturation in certain tones in Adobe RGB, and SRGB pictures can pop off the walls just the same. I think most people, including myself, will improve their photography much more by going out and taking pictures rather than worrying about all this stuff.

Anyway, I hope that clears up any confusion.

Thanks for the feedback.

cheers,

Jer

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#47. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi Jer,

you got me perfectly right.

Cheers
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#27. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

*waves @ fellow Malmoit* or whatever it's called... :-p

Awesome gallery and a great post, I have had my camera on Adobe RGB and its just a pain to do the conversion to sRGB every time so maybe i should just switch over right away

By the way, that last shot in the Misc gallery, 6/6, I absolutely love it, but what is it ? :-o

And that first sand-dune shot is also awesome, would look nice on my wall

Chris

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#31. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hey Chris!

Cool a fellow Malmoian! Thanks for your comments on my gallery, yours is very nice too! As to your switching over to SRGB that’s your decision. Try it and see if you enjoy your workflow more, see if your color suffers. It won’t. =)

The last picture in the various section is a macro of a Kosta Boda glass. If you really want the sand dune on your wall just send me an email and we can work it out it. =)

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#33. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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WOW What wonderful photos.... I am inspired. The color is so vibrant. Did you do anything to inhance it? filters/software etc. Im just moving into the digital world (see my post from today) and any advice would be welcomed!!

GREAT JOB!

Carpe Diem!

Alicia

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#36. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you mtPeke!

For starters, yes my in camera settings enhance the pictures a bit, but mainly there is one thing all those shots have in common, they are taken in awesome light. I will often use white balance as a “filter” to give a warmer or cooler cast to a landscape image.

Many of those shots are straight out of the camera. I have had friends try to guess which ones have been through Photoshop and they usually choose the wrong ones. For example, everyone thinks that the Turning Torso is photoshoped, when in fact it is just a 122 second exposure during some awesome light before a huge storm.

The bugs and flowers are in awesome light as well, paying careful attention to what is behind the bug or flower, usually trying to get other flowers in the background out of focus to create those blurs of color.

Really the main thing I use Photoshop for (with photography anyway) is for the black and white conversions, as well as the sunsets and high contrast landscapes. With portraits in black and white you can get away with Nikon Capture, but for landscapes you need Photoshop to get a good conversion.

With sunsets and high contrast landscapes, there are two tricks to capture the dynamic range. One is to use graduated filters, the other is to take one exposure for the foreground and another exposure for the sky and to then blend them in Photoshop. The second approach is far easier and more accurate, giving more control to the photographer in post processing.

After shooting it’s a matter and blending the two pictures in Photoshop, and there are about ten ways to do that so I won’t get into it here. Levels will usually add some punch to the colors that are already there, but I try to not go overboard. I believe the only time I have increased saturation to a point that it was “beyond what was actually there” was on the Ivösjön shot (5/10). Here I pushed the water a bit extra, which enhanced the mood and mimicked the feeling I had when I took the picture.

The most important thing though is to shoot in awesome light. There is nothing wrong with doing whatever needs to be done to your photos to make them how you want them, however I get much more out of the entire experience if post processing is kept to a minimum, I would rather be out shooting, as I spend enough time on this computer already!

One thing that really helped my photography jump up a level was to stop wasting time trying to turn crappy pictures into great ones. I started deleting everything that wasn’t really impressive straight out of the camera, and sure enough, I spent more time shooting, and everything just got better from there. Then with those ones that are really impressive out of the camera, some will need tweaks, others will not, but you sure save a lot of time skipping over all the garbage, and believe me, I take plenty of garbage too.

cheers,

Jer

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#37. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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London, GB
          

Interesting and informative. Thanks.

"Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody click the shutter" - Ansel Adams

  

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#38. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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IL
          

Hi Jer,
Great images and very useful tips.
One question - I am using Picture Project that came in-box with D70. Is Picture Project "shows" RAW/NEF files as Nikon View and Capture ?
Thanks

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J3R Basic MemberFri 02-Dec-05 01:53 AM
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#39. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks guys!

I received picture project with my camera as well, but I found it to be less than useful. I am not sure, but I would assume that Picture Project works in the same way as Nikon View, that it will show the most recent version for you. Be sure to check the box on “Tools, Options, Performance, Save large previews for NEF files” in Nikon Capture, otherwise it will take a much longer time to browse each of the edited pictures. A great way to find out would be to make a change in Capture and see if the change is reflected when you view the picture with Picture Project. Otherwise you can download Nikon View for free here:

http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?goingto=dtc_home

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#40. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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I have to agree with everyone else here. I really like the pictures in your gallery. Very inspiring. I was wondering if you care to share any photography books that you think are particularly helpful or if you would like to share any other influences that have shaped your photography? Thanks,

Steven

  

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#41. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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CA
          

For what it's worht, I don't use Nikon View or Capture often. Actually not at all except to load the custom curve.

I do use PP for downloading my images as it can:

1. Properly rotate all portrait images
2. Delete images from teh CF cardonce downloaded
3. Rename it using the schema I tell it

Anyone else use PP for this? I have yet to run into another Nikonian use use PP to download images.


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#42. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks Steven!

The only type of book that I would recommend would be one on composition, and perhaps even one on graphic design, that is, if you have never studied either of those subjects. I work with graphic design so I think that gave me a head start as I already had a good sense of color and design. I guess I would say I look at composition in the same way that I look at design; based on the quote “everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler” by Einstein.

I am influenced in everything I do by music and philosophy. Music has taught me discipline, and that if one wants to become very good at anything, one must do it all the time, one has to live it. Philosophy has taught me to stop reading philosophy and stop worshiping knowledge. By that, I mean that the only thing that is real is the present moment, and the present is the only place that one can experience reality and tap into creativity; knowledge can get in the way.

For example, I think if one wants to be a master of anything, such as photography, or music, or any other creative vocation, one must first master the technical aspects, the knowledge, to the point that the technical becomes a reflex, something they no longer need to think about. One will then be free to be totally creative, the technical will be just like breathing. However, it is not necessary to become a master to be successful; there are plenty of great bands that can hardly play their instruments! Whatever level each of us is at technically is good enough, the important thing is to forget the technical, and be creative. I think this is where such things as “beginners luck” come from; the beginner is not bogged down by the knowledge of the more experienced, and therefore will often show great creativity.

I believe that thought is always of the past, or of the future based on the past. To be creative, I need to be in the present moment, without thought. Whenever I do something creative, thought is absent. Then suddenly I start thinking “oh wow that is cool”, but then I am no longer being creative, I am back in my head, where the mind travels like a pendulum back and fourth between the past and the future never resting on the present. So I guess the idea is to get the pendulum to rest in the middle, and that is where I find my creativity, which I think is more important than the technical aspects of anything.

As far as equipment goes, I think cameras and lenses don’t matter nearly as much as the light we shoot in, and the creativity that we are able to muster; assuming of course that our lens is at least ok! A thousand dollar lens will indeed be better than a hundred dollar one, but we can still take great pictures with the cheap one. I remember when I first started playing guitar, I really wanted all the best ones, and I went through probably fifteen or so in the first seven years. Now that I have been playing for sixteen years, I know that the guitar just does not matter. I think this is why there are many photographers that have been in the game a long time saying the same thing about cameras. I remember I read one of them saying it, and I really understood what they meant right from the get go.

Edited to add:

I really got carried away there, sorry! In addition to being influenced by music and philosophy, I am very influenced by the pictures and thoughts from other photographers that I find on the internet; not so much by the famous ones, more by the plethora of amazing photographers that submit to Nikonians, as well as a couple of other forums that I lurk on.

cheers,

Jer

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#48. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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"awesome light"

I see the results and I know it when I see it in the finished photo, but you obvioulsy have a gift for seeing "awesome light" with your eye, and capturing it in the camera. Can you share any insight on what you look for?

Thanks again for the great images.

Lee Baylin

  

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#51. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Lee!

I don't know if I would call it a gift, but that sounds nice so thank you! Like you, at first I recognized the pictures that were really awesome, and I realized that it was the light that made them so interesting. So I started approaching things in two ways.

Firstly, if there is a specific subject I want to capture, I will return over and over, waiting for the day that the light is awesome on that subject. The second approach is to just go out in good light with no subject in mind, and take pictures of whatever the light lands on.

What I consider great light for landscapes can be found approximately two hours a day, the half hour before and after sunrise, as well as the half hour before and after sunset. In other words, anywhere within a half an hour of the sun being on the horizon. This time will vary according to where you live. If you live near the equator, the magic hour is often more like a magic minute. If you live near the artic circle like I do, in the summer the magic hour is really long; the sun takes forever to set which is great for photography. On the downside I have to live through a brutally dark winter. =(

Different people will have different light that they like. Some people like to shoot in more light than I, for example in the late afternoon.

Midday is pretty awful, but you can pull off some nice black and white at that time. For portraits and macro, I like the evenly diffused light of an overcast day, or the shade; this gives nice even light without shadows and hotspots.

The light before a storm can be really nice as well.

cheers,

Jer

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#52. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Baltimore, US
          

Thanks again!

Lee Baylin

  

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#43. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Bay Area - California,
          

hi jer,
on color mode, would you also categorize nature, leaves, flowers, non-human under iiia?
thanks,
erwin

  

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#44. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Erwin!

Yes I use iiia for everything but people. Sometimes I will use iiia for people as well, but in general ia is better for people.

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Jer

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#45. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Schwalbach, DE
          

Jer,

I have replied before and I want to take the opportunity to thank you for kicking off this tread. The number of replys shows that you touched upon a subject which is of high interest to a lot of people.

To me it is even more: I was seriously considering buying yet another DSLR (the D200) since I felt my D70 is just a consumer DSLR and not able to produce the pictures I want. I was in the believe that the D200 is the camera I need for better pictures.

This is not true anymore. I will keep my D70. The D70 can produce far better results than I had dreamed of. It is up to me to improve my shooting (through composition, using effective light, etc..) if I want better results.

Cheers,
Bernhard

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Gruss,
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Frenchie Registered since 06th Oct 2004Fri 02-Dec-05 10:40 AM
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#46. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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FR
          

Jer, you've made a number of statments close to my heart with which I agree 100%

>>For example, I think if one wants to be a master of anything, such as photography, or music, or any other creative vocation, one must first master the technical aspects, the knowledge<<

I am always banging on about the fact that the art of photography, like music, has not changed fundamentally since its inception. Yes, they both evolve and the capture medium (in the case of photogrpahy) or type or design of instrument (in the case of music) may change, but the basics are always constant.

>>As far as equipment goes, I think cameras and lenses don’t matter nearly as much as the light we shoot in<<

EXACTLY! This is why I'm always trying to get people to look at the works of painters as well as photographers. Vermeer, Monet, Turner, to name just three. Looking at the use of light and composition from these artists (especially the 'London' paintings by Monet) is a salutory lesson to us all.

It's why I always have those first and last tags to my signature (I'm not so sure the last one is always understood though !)

Pete
"Cameras don't take photographs, people do" - John Hedgecoe said that.
"Expose for the highlights and let the shadows take care of themselves" - Ansel Adams said that.
"The camera is only a tool. The best saw in the world won't make you a great carpenter" - I said that
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J3R Basic MemberFri 02-Dec-05 02:42 PM
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#50. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Frenchie!

“This is why I'm always trying to get people to look at the works of painters as well as photographers”

That is wonderful advice as well! Another thing I do which I have learned from is to pay close attention to the lighting in movies. Sometimes I have to rewind five minutes because I zone out thinking about the lighting and miss what is happening! =)

cheers,

Jer

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J3R Basic MemberFri 02-Dec-05 02:33 PM
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#49. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hey Bernhard!

Wow! It gives me a great feeling that I was able to influence you in that way! As for the D200, I am sure is tempting for all of us, but you are right it is not going to make your photography any better. I will probably get one eventually, for the larger viewfinder, but I can certainly wait for a while before doing so. I think once we stop blaming our tools and take responsibility for our results we improve quickly, as we are finally able to focus on the art, which is what it is really all about.

Again, it is nice to hear that I influenced you in this decision.

cheers,

Jer

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Meprst Registered since 30th Oct 2005Fri 02-Dec-05 06:42 PM
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#53. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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IL
          

Hi Jer,
Thank You for the tip.
I set my D70 as You suggested but the images came out VERY overexposed with a redish/yellowish cast - i.e. wrong white ballance.
Without using exposure compensation the images, as everybody knows with D70, are little underexposed, but +0.3 compensation is too much and there is no way to reduce the step.
With regular D70 underexposure only light tweak of "brightness" and checking of the "enhance dark tones" box in Picture Project needed to correct the exposure and receive great images.
Any comments/suggestions.
Thank You

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J3R Basic MemberFri 02-Dec-05 07:01 PM
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#54. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Meprst!

Changing the exposure comp to +.03 which is only a third of a stop should not make your images way overexposed as you say. Are you sure you didn’t accidentally set it to +3.0 which is three stops? That would indeed cause all of your images to be way overexposed.

As far as the white balance is concerned, auto -3 works well for me in most situations, but you will always have to adjust according to the situation. If auto -3 is too warm try -2, or -1, or leave it at 0.

If your picture project workflow works for you and then stick with it.

cheers,

Jer

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Meprst Registered since 30th Oct 2005Fri 02-Dec-05 07:24 PM
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#55. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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IL
          

Hi Jer,
Thank You,
I think I know the reason for overexposure - VERY "contrastic" scene - bright white/blue sky over dark greenery. I think the meter was "confused" - the greenery was correctly exposed, but the sky was "blown out".
Thank You again

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J3R Basic MemberFri 02-Dec-05 07:35 PM
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#56. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Yes it sounds like you just had too much dynamic range in the scene and the camera favored the foreground. You could have metered the sky, but then you would have had the opposite problem, the foreground would have been too dark. The only way around such a situation is to use graduated ND filters, or to blend two exposures, one for the sky and one for the foreground.

cheers,

Jer

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Meprst Registered since 30th Oct 2005Fri 02-Dec-05 07:43 PM
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#57. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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IL
          

Yes You right,
Thank You again

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#58. "Adjusting Exp. Comp"
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Atlanta, US
          

I see where to turn exposure compensation on and off, but where do I adjust the level?

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J3R Basic MemberFri 02-Dec-05 09:29 PM
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#59. "RE: Adjusting Exp. Comp"
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Malmö, SE
          

Leave custom setting 10 set to off. If you really want to know what that does then look in the manual on page 145, it will become too confusing if I go into that here. Don’t worry about that setting for now.

To use exposure compensation hold down the little +- button which you will find next to the shutter release button. Keep the +- button held down and then rotate the main command dial at the same time. The main command dial is the one by your thumb. This will adjust your exposure compensation. While still holding down the +- button, you will be able to see the amount of compensation in the control panel as well as in the viewfinder.

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Jer

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Atlanta_D70 Registered since 29th Nov 2005Fri 02-Dec-05 09:39 PM
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#60. "RE: Adjusting Exp. Comp"
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Atlanta, US
          

Am I correct that if I shoot in RAW format none of this applies? I fairly proficient in photoshop but not in photography. I did web design for 5 years and now and getting into photography. I know I'm going into it backwards, but hey, better now than never. From what I understand if I shoot in RAW I have to import the files with CS and the camera does not make any edits to the shot itself. If I shoot in JPEG then everything we've been talking about applies. Correct?

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J3R Basic MemberFri 02-Dec-05 09:44 PM
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#61. "RE: Adjusting Exp. Comp"
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Malmö, SE
          

Please check post number 16, then ask again if you still have questions.

cheers,

Jer

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#62. "RE: Adjusting Exp. Comp"
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Atlanta, US
          

So if I shoot in RAW, I will retain the camera settings and can make edits in RAW format using Capture and can use Nikon View to organize them. However, if I use Photoshop, I'll have to convert the image to another format to make edits in which case I would loose the camera settings. I guess what prompted my question and is the source of my confusion is in Darrel Young's article (http://www.nikonians.org/html/resources/guides/digital/jpeg_tiff_or_raw_1.html) which states "Since the release of Adobe® Photoshop CS, the RAW mode is beginning to move into the mainstream a bit. Photoshop will open the RAW files from your camera directly, and will allow you to set the white and color balances, sharpness, contrast, luminance, etc. without any other software."

Does this mean that I can open the files from the camera with CS and retain the camera settings?

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antecfan Basic MemberSat 03-Dec-05 12:46 AM
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#63. "Re J3R's Comments"
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J3R I must admit, your wonderfully eloquent ramblings about color space, dynamic range, and photographic artistry are really enlightening for me, and I just know, for many other people! It was really refreshing to read your straightforeward knowledgeable (and accurate) conclusions when I am used to wading through pages and pages of half-accurate, misinformed (but well-meant) nikonians forum posts about these topics. Great stuff! Please keep up the posting!

  

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J3R Basic MemberSat 03-Dec-05 01:53 AM
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#66. "RE: Re J3R's Comments"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi antecfan,

Thanks! I am glad that you got something out of my ramblings!

cheers,

Jer

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Jakej Registered since 20th Sep 2004Sat 03-Dec-05 01:15 AM
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#65. "RE: Adjusting Exp. Comp"
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US
          

>Does this mean that I can open the files from the camera
>with CS and retain the camera settings?

Jason, you can open the Raw file with CS but the only camera setting it retains is WB.



Jake Jarvis - Nikonian in the Deep South

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J3R Basic MemberSat 03-Dec-05 02:05 AM
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#67. "RE: Adjusting Exp. Comp"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Jason,

It breaks down like this:

JPG = camera settings applied.
Raw opened with Nikon View or Capture = camera settings applied
Raw opened with anything else = White balance is the only thing that is available during conversion.

On the last point I am not sure, as I have not used every RAW converter out there, but I am fairly confident that it is so.

In my workflow, if I am going to use Photoshop I open the file first in Capture, and then from there open it in Photoshop. By doing so, I am starting from my in camera settings. If you move from Capture to Photoshop, just turn off the sharpening in Capture beforehand, as it is always best to sharpen as a last step.

If you open directly in Photoshop you are pretty much starting from scratch. Take note than there are many photographers that choose to start from scratch and open directly in Photoshop; it is up to each photographer to decide which workflow they like best.

cheers,

Jer

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eddiebones Basic MemberSat 03-Dec-05 12:52 AM
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#64. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Los Angeles, US
          

Jeremy-

Thanks for sharing your insight and how you adjust your settings. Your pics are spectacular.

I'm finally delving into the world of digital SLR's and will be receiving my D70s on Monday.

After reading all this and viewing your work, the first thing I'm gonna do is try out your settings, for sure.

jim

  

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J3R Basic MemberSat 03-Dec-05 02:09 AM
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#68. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Jim!

Thanks!

Have a great time with your D70, it's a great camera!

cheers,

Jer

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waltersun Registered since 02nd Dec 2005Sat 03-Dec-05 02:46 AM
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#69. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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I have set my D70 to your recommended settings and fantastic!
Thank you so much for your help! I am still trying to figure out what is Auto White Balance -3.....way beyond my simple mind to comprehend. I almost bought a D200 because I thought I needed a better camera but looks like it was just me not knowing how to maximize the functions of the D70!
By the way, great photos on your website!
Thank you for saving me a lot of money and giving me a bit more hope...
Walter

  

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#70. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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By the way J3R, the photos on your site, what equipment do you use? Special lenses?
Do i need to get a f2.8 or my simple ole 18-70 should fill my needs. I take pics of mostly vacation & kids.
I take photos in RAW and Ulead program. When i convert from RAW to JPEG at 100%, the JPEG is always darker. Is this normal?
For my shooting purposes, is JPEG enough of i should stick with RAW for the higher resolution?
Thanks again,
Walter

  

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J3R Basic MemberSat 03-Dec-05 03:18 AM
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#71. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Walter!

Thank you very much.

I am glad the settings showed an improvement for you. To adjust your white balance hold in the WB button on the back of the camera, and then rotate the main command dial which is by your thumb until it reads “A” on the control panel. Then while still holding in the WB button rotate the other dial, known as the sub-command dial, until it reads -3 on the control panel.

As for the rest of your questions, please read through this entire post; yes it has become very long, but I think you will get a lot out of it as well as the answers to your questions. After doing so, please feel free to post any further questions.

I will however answer your questions briefly:

The kit lens will take you a long way, you can get great pictures from it.

The JPG files are the exact same resolution. RAW is better if you plan on post processing your photos, and you will find detailed information about that in this post.

When you convert from RAW to jpg the jpg should not be darker.


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Jer

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waltersun Registered since 02nd Dec 2005Sat 03-Dec-05 06:54 AM
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#72. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Thanks J3R,
I guess i will have to contact Ulead about the darkening of image from RAW to JPEG. Very strange...
Thanks for the WB thing, how to do, I know, it is the why behind it. Why is WB on Auto still have a + ~ -3?
You are like the D70 Guru or something!!!
By the way, about your gear, wish to share trade secret?
Walter

  

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waltersun Registered since 02nd Dec 2005Sat 03-Dec-05 07:01 AM
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#73. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi Again J3R, i guess to answer my own question, the +- on WB A is to make it cooler or warmer???
With your D70, which lenses do you use?
Sorry for all the questions,
Walter

  

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BlackDE Basic MemberSat 03-Dec-05 07:58 AM
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#74. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Schwalbach, DE
          

Walter,

you find explanations to these settings in the user manual, too. Page 51. I think it is necessary that we know our gear (and I include myself in this statement).

The lens question was answered in one of the first replys.

Cheers,
Bernhard

Did you back up your stuff today?

Gruss,
Bernhard

  

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waltersun Registered since 02nd Dec 2005Sat 03-Dec-05 09:34 AM
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#75. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Bernhard,
Reading is one thing, understanding and applying it is another....
Still learning.... everyday....
Walter

  

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J3R Basic MemberSat 03-Dec-05 05:36 PM
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#78. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Walter,

Thanks! There are plenty of other people on this board that know everything about the D70. If you use yours avidly for a while you will too.

As to your question about “trade secrets”, I think I have shared them in this thread.
Like anything in life, you will get out what you put in. I am not an equipment freak; I will not recommend that you need a new camera or a new lens. I will say that after you know the basics, the best thing you can do is shoot pictures every day.

I think there are too paths which one should avoid. One path, is not putting anything into your photography. For example, if you never read the manual, and never learn how to use the camera, you will be limiting your photography. At the same time you want to avoid becoming obsessed with the technical, to the point that all you do is read reviews and search after new gear and try to learn every possible technical aspect of photography.

Learn the basics of the camera and photography then go out and shoot as often as you can. You will be your own best teacher, and you will learn more shooting than from books, if you pay attention to what you are doing when you are shooting.

A great starting place is to read the manual from cover to cover. I suggest downloading the PDF version as it makes searching so much easier.
If you don’t understand something the first time through that is ok, because at some point months down the road, you will be shooting and think “Ahh I remember I read something about this, let me look it up” and then you will understand it. So if you get to a page and it makes no sense then skip over it, it is probably not that important for you, but try to read through everything that is relevant for you now.

To people that are just starting out, you need to first learn the controls of the camera, this will take one evening with the manual. Then read some articles about depth of field, and do tests with your camera in A mode to apply this knowledge and understand how to use depth of field creatively. After that I would just shoot like crazy, you will soon learn when to use S mode, and then eventually realize when you need to use M mode. Don’t get too caught up in all this though, after learning the basics, focus on the art!

Oh yes, get a tripod and remote and use them for everything but snapshots =)

cheers,

Jer

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Brog9 Registered since 02nd Jan 2005Sat 03-Dec-05 04:04 PM
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#76. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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US
          

Hey,
Great advice and pictures. Thank you so much for your time and experience.

As a fairly new user, how do you feel about using downloaded curves loaded into the camera( ie. fotogenic's, and sreala, etc.)

Thanks again for all your info...

Brog

  

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#77. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi Jer,

Very nice photos - as others have said, they are very inspiring. I have 2 questions:

1. Which metering mode do you prefer (matrix, spot weighted).
2. What type of lighting did you use for the flora shots, a remote flash perhaps?

Thanks,
George

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J3R Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 06:38 AM
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#79. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi George, and thank you!

I prefer matrix metering, but I always look at the cameras metering as a best guess, a place to start from. It is up to the photographer to adjust accordingly. If you keep an eye on your histogram, you will eventually learn how to make adjustments before you take a shot.

Almost all the shots in my gallery at this time were taken in natural light, which I prefer. The only ones that were not are a the flowers that are backlit and the ones with the black backgrounds, as well as the water drop. The water drop is the only one that I used flash on, with the others I used desk lamps and whatever else I could find.

I recently bought a sb-800 mainly for shots of people at parties and events, and I might use it for some macro, in which case I will build some sort of giant bouncer and probably look like a crazy person using it in the field. In general however, I love the look of natural light.

cheers,

Jer

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#83. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Langley, CA
          


Hello George. I sure hope that you keep this thread active for a while as I find it facinating. One question that I have at the moment regards what you said here: "I prefer matrix metering, but I always look at the cameras metering as a best guess, a place to start from. It is up to the photographer to adjust accordingly. If you keep an eye on your histogram, you will eventually learn how to make adjustments before you take a shot."

On page 75 of the manual it says >>>Matrix metering will not produce desired results with autoexposure lock or exposure compensation<<<

Yet you said earlier, to set your exposure compensation to +0.3

Is setting exposure comp to +0.3 contradicting what the manual says about matrix metering not producing desired results useing exposure comp? I am just a beginer with the D70 so perhaps this is a dum question to ask.

Thanks for all the wonderful help you are providing with this thread. (-:

  

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J3R Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 06:14 PM
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#85. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi coolslug,

I think you are talking to me, as you quoted me not George. Either way, I am glad you find the thread fascinating.

I read that in the manual as well, and it is not a dumb question. I have no clue why it says that in the manual. Matrix metering and exposure compensation works great for me, I use it everyday.

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Jer

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martstokes Registered since 12th Nov 2005Wed 07-Dec-05 11:59 PM
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#115. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Telford, GB
          

Fascinating and inspiring thread!

With regards the manual, I read the metering comment as "look, we have put a lot of research into our matrix metering, it should be correct", they are not saying that adjustments won't work or will produce unpredictable results (which is how it could easily read to some people, given the wording).

I have messed about with curves for a long time, I can't wait to try Jer's suggestions, I hope they work for me.

Martin.

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J3R Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 06:43 AM
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#80. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Brog,

Thanks!

I tried out a few of the curves, and I think they can be useful in some situations. I felt however that there was no curve that would work well in all types of lighting. I still have one loaded in my camera but I never use it.

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elayaoen Registered since 02nd Nov 2005Tue 06-Dec-05 03:05 AM
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#89. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Bay Area - California,
          

Hi Jer,
if you dont use curves, which do you select often on the optimize image menu if custom is not selected? normal, vivid, sharp, etc?

by the way, i set the options you use plus a custom curve and notice i post process less, and some none needed.

erwin

  

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J3R Basic MemberTue 06-Dec-05 07:11 AM
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#90. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

I always use the custom menu within the optimize image menu, it just makes more sense to me.

I am glad you got some nice pictures straight out of your camera! Be careful when using a custom curve combined with exposure compensation if you are shooting jpg, as your results will be permanent, and in some situations a +.03 exposure compensation combined with a curve will give an overexposed or washed out look. However, if you are shooting RAW you can play around with whatever combinations you want, as you can always cancel out the custom curve if needed.

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drichi Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 12:18 PM
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#81. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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GW
          

I gotta agree with everyone else. Beautiful pics, and some of the best advice I have read. I especially agree with the emphasis on actually taking photos instead of worrying about every little technical detail and gadget.

The big advantage for me in moving from film to digital is the ability to take more and more pics and see what works and doesn't. I couldn't do that with film due to the expense and especially time required for processing.

Unfortunately, recently I have found myself spending tons of time processing my D70 photos, both RAW and jpeg. I went to Kyoto recently and took over 100 shots, but came home and spent several hours playing around with them. It is questionable if the results improved. Certainly none of them could compare with yours.

After looking at your site and reading your posts, most of that post processing is gonna go. Thanks for the honest and extremely valuable advice.

  

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J3R Basic MemberMon 05-Dec-05 08:20 PM
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#86. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Drichi, and thanks!

Glad that you have found this post so useful! Certainly the hardest part is the discipline it takes to delete photos. I struggled with this as well. One thing that I do which helps is that I wait a while before choosing the keepers. It is easy to be emotionally attached to photos that have just been taken. Let them sit for a while, and let your emotions settle down before sorting through them. Then you can honestly look at each one and ask yourself if you like it as a photograph, without connecting it to the experience of watching the sun rise. The experience will always be there in your mind, you don’t need a bad photo of it.

By the way, I do not mean that you should throw away all the mediocre pictures of your child’s first day on earth. I am talking about your photography, not your snapshots of special moments. Even with snapshots though I delete the total garbage, otherwise it’s just boring for others to look through and a pain for me to manage. Most people would rather look through the thirty awesome pictures you took at a party rather than those thirty plus another two hundred ones that are just average.

Good luck with your deleting! Once you get started it becomes easier, you will be out shooting more and you will probably be a happier photographer.

cheers,

Jer

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dwayner Registered since 15th Jan 2005Tue 06-Dec-05 03:09 PM
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#94. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Calgary, CA
          

Do you change your settings for getting the best skin tones??

Nice pitcures.
Dwayner

  

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J3R Basic MemberTue 06-Dec-05 10:13 PM
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#103. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Yes I do, sometimes. I always shoot SRGB, usually ia for people but sometimes I leave it on iiia.

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#131. "Eliminate the mediocre"
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AW
          

Jer,

Good advice on culling mediocre photos. On a similar vein, I've also had the experience of taking an image that seemed to lack a focal point of interest and brought it back to life with judicious cropping.

Get rid of the stuff in the photo that adds nothing or distracts from the intended scene is my motto, (I have a lot of mottos like that... :^)...).

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#91. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Indianapolis, US
          

I looked at your posts and the replies and I have 2 questions.
First let me say that you take awespme pictures and I will strive to be like you in that way. Great job...

1st question is how do you change the settings like sharpening and comp. etc. I went to the optimize image part of the menu and I cant change anything. Any help?

2nd question is you say if you shoot in RAw but save to jpeg it will be like shooting in jpeg. If thats true what format do you svae the pictures in so you can show your family and friends on their PC?

I may have other questions but these were the top of the list.
Thanks and I hope you post other advice to help us novice photographers get better.

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dark13star Registered since 31st Oct 2005Tue 06-Dec-05 02:09 PM
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#92. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Denver, US
          

Since your first question is within my ability, I will answer it for Jer. You need to take the camera out of auto mode. Put it in P,A, or S and you should be able to change the settings just fine.

I am looking forward to seeing responses to the second part of your question. I find that is a problem with processing labs. I always have to step my raw images down to 8 bit and jpeg to get prints made. I wish I could find a lab that did PSD files. I generally go Raw to PSD for post processing. I might buy Nikon Capture now though, because of this thread.

Rich

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#97. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Indianapolis, US
          

Rich
Thanks for your input. Do you know that if I turn my camera off will the settings be saved? I am thinking of buying Nikon Capture also. I want to learn RAW very bad.
Thanks again
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dark13star Registered since 31st Oct 2005Tue 06-Dec-05 03:31 PM
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#98. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Denver, US
          

yes, they will!

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J3R Basic MemberTue 06-Dec-05 06:06 PM
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#99. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

About the second question, if you shoot RAW, and don’t do any processing in capture but just export as JPG, then yes it is the same as if you had just shot in JPG. However, by shooting in RAW you will always have more options for post processing, if you decide to do so.

I shoot in RAW, and I just keep everything in RAW. If I shoot a party for example, I will just batch process the RAW files to JPG with Capture, burn the JPG's, give them to whoever had the party, then toss the JPG's. I then probably also delete all the RAW’s but the very best ones.

For images that I process with Photoshop, I save a PSD as well as a JPG of the PSD, the final result. The JPG is just for reference. If I show images to someone on my computer they are looking at the RAW images, with a few JPG’s mixed in, which represent the PSD files.

If I am going to give pictures to someone, it is JPG for friends and TIFF for anything serious that might be further manipulated, or printed really large.

Learning some basic batch processing makes this all much easier than it sounds.

cheers,

Jer

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Molly Sue Registered since 09th Jan 2006Sat 18-Mar-06 01:36 PM
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#184. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Portland, US
          

Great thread, Jer. I have learned so much from this. In fact, I am printing the entire thread as I write.

Jer, can you recommend any web sites for processing photos? Do you convert to .jpg or .tiff for this?

Thank you in advance, Jer.

Molly

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#95. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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AW
          

Jer,

I was wondering about the wonderful B&W photo on your site of the ship hull on the beach. Can you say a litte about taking that wonderful image?

It really shows off the capabilities of the D70.

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#100. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thank you very much!

In actuality, I would say many of the other images on my site represent more accurately the capabilities of the D70, because the picture of the ship is post processed. I think it’s difficult to get good black and white out of the D70. In fact you cannot get any black and white without a little post processing, at minimum flicking the little “Photo Effects - Black and White” switch in Capture, which just gives a grey image with little contrast. For most stuff flicking the little switch and then altering the levels or curves in Capture will give a decent result, but for some shots you need to use other methods that simulate dark room techniques, and that’s where Photoshop fits in. I won’t get into those methods here, there are plenty of places on the web that talk about how to post process, I suggest trying them all, and you will eventually develop a style that works for you.

About taking the shot, I was on vacation in Fuerteventura (off the coast of Africa) for a week with my girlfriend and I saw a postcard of the ship; I knew I had to see it! We rented a car which barely made it to the wreck as the road was rather treacherous, as a matter of fact I do not think you are allowed to go there at all. I forced my girlfriend into staying on that beach for longer than she had anticipated; we were probably there for a good three or four hours if not longer. It’s an amazing place if you ever get the chance to go, however I saw a recent picture of the ship and it is now almost completely destroyed, tilted sideways and about to collapse. If you do go, do not swim, even though the ship is very close to the shore the water is insanely violent; someone told me that most people that have tried to reach the ship by swimming have died and I believe it.

There is an old saying “F8 and be there”, for me its more like F16 and be there, and pray that the light is awesome and that your girlfriend puts up with you saying “just five more minutes” for three hours. Part of getting great pictures is just being in the right place at the right time, and then knowing how to take advantage of the situation, even if that means waiting for several hours for the right moment.

cheers,

Jer

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#106. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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AW
          

Jer said...
>it’s difficult to get good black and white out of the D70.

Any digital picture I take these days, (which is usually always in color), I take with the intention of producing a B&W image. What makes the D70 any less capable than other digital cameras? Would you apply that opinion to the D70S as well?

I should clarify. My original question was more specifically - what setups to you make in your D70 when you are thinking B&W as the outcome of a given image? Or do you plan it out that way?

>flicking the little switch and then altering the levels or
>curves in Capture will give a decent result, but for some
>shots you need to use other methods that simulate dark room
>techniques, and that’s where Photoshop fits in.

Yeah, I channel mix after I study the color composition of the original image. It is a bit of a trial an error process. For instance, your ship picture probably had some deep blues, (sky, water), so I'm assuming you must have worked more with the green and/or red channels and played with the HMS contrast in Photoshop, (I'm use Paintshop Pro, but it has equivalent functionality). Some of my own results are on the site below. All the images shown are originally color images.

Once again, your image is a well composed and well processed shot of a very dramatic scene.

Regards

David
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J3R Basic MemberWed 07-Dec-05 07:40 PM
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#108. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi David, thank you very much!

Nothing makes the D70 less capable than other cameras for b&w; I did not mean to give that impression. The fact of the matter is that you cannot get a b&w image straight out of the D70.

I do not think any digital camera today will give excellent black and white results straight out of the camera, even the ones with a b&w setting. You obviously know what you are doing with post processing, and I agree that using a color image for black and white has clear advantages and is the way to go for the shots you care about.

If I shoot a bunch of shots intended to be b&w, I will just batch process the RAW files in Capture using the “b&w switch” together with a curve (not an in camera curve but using the curves tool in Capture) which gives a decent result. For b&w I don’t worry about the in camera settings, I just run a batch process and then if there is an image that is truly worthy I reopen it in Capture, turn off the b&w setting as well as the sharpening, and then process the image in Photoshop.

cheers,

Jer

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MstrBones Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Dec 2005Wed 07-Dec-05 08:14 PM
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#111. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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AW
          

Jer,

Actually, I'm still working through what makes the best process for B&W images. There are several methodologies I've been trying to understand.

I was wondering, not having used Nikon Capture, why you are converting the image to grayscale before getting it into Photoshop. That would seem to limit image editing options. Or am I clearly missing some feature that Capture offers?

Regards,


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J3R Basic MemberWed 07-Dec-05 08:45 PM
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#112. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

If I am going to process in Photoshop I start with a color image.
Sorry, I didn't clarify well enough; I have updated the wording in the previous post to make it clearer.

cheers,

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eddiebones Basic MemberWed 07-Dec-05 06:43 PM
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#107. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Los Angeles, US
          

Hi Jer -

question for you. Do you ever get artifacts in your images from the sharpening being set to +2? I'm talking about what appears to be small 'specks' or 'dots' in the image (perhaps more noticeable in darker areas, and when looking at an image at 100%). I tried your settings and on some areas, it almost looks as if the image was taken into photoshop and the 'sharpen' filter was applied one too many times. Parts of the image look either speckled or dotted (albeit very small).

However, when I reduce the in-camera sharpen level back down, this effect seems to be much less noticeable.

Granted, I'm just starting out with my new D70s, and have lots and lots to learn about the camera and making adjustments for the better, improving my technique, etc, but wanted to know if you (or anyone else) have noticed such a pattern, and if it's directly related to the added sharpening.

Again, great topic. There's a reason that over 100 replies have been generated. Thanks for sharing your extensive knowledge.

Jim


  

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#109. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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AW
          

>Granted, I'm just starting out with my new D70s, and have
>lots and lots to learn about the camera and making
>adjustments for the better, improving my technique, etc,
>but wanted to know if you (or anyone else) have noticed such
>a pattern, and if it's directly related to the added
>sharpening.

Jim,

Just curious on two counts

Do the artifacts show up in a print?
At what zoom level do you see them in Photoshop?


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eddiebones Basic MemberWed 07-Dec-05 09:29 PM
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#113. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Los Angeles, US
          

Haven't tried printing yet...this was just at first glance in Nikon View.

But the speckles and noise showed up when viewing at 100% (which of course at full resolution shows a lot of detail). Also would show up at a zoom of 66%, but lots more noticeable at full size.

jim

  

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MstrBones Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Dec 2005Thu 08-Dec-05 02:25 PM
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#119. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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AW
          

Jim,

Keep in mind that 100% means 100% screen resolution at 72 pixels/inch, not 100% print quality at 150 dots/inch. To know what it would actually look like in a print, look at it no greater than 50% on screen, which yields around 144 pixels/inch and is much closer to print quality. I believe publishing quality is around 300dpi.

I went through the pixel artifact thing for quite a while until I recently read a very good magazine article on the subject and then when back and studied prints that I had made from some pictures that showed artifacts at 100% screen resolution that looked perfect in an 8x10 and even in 11x15.

Moral of the story, the real proof is how the printed image looks and not to blow it up beyond the limitations of the camera.

For instance, D70/70s... 3008x2000 pixels. That gives a 300 dpi print of 10"x6.7" or at 150dpi, 20"x13". Just fits well on a borderless 13x19. Pushing it above that size and you will start seeing your artifacts.

Thats not to say we all don't occasionally take noisy pictures under less than optimum conditions... :^)

Just my 2 cents worth.

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#110. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Jim,

Yes it is directly related. The in camera sharpening sharpens everything in the image, unlike unsharp mask which gives you a threshold option. Because the in camera sharpening sharpens everything, this means that it sharpens the noise as well! As you noticed, you saw this more in the darker areas of the image, which is also where most of the noise is.

I try to always keep my iso as low as possible (almost always 200) for this very reason. The noise issue is another reason to push the histogram to the right; by doing so you will have less noise in your images as they will be (in my opinion) more correctly exposed than if you rely on the meter.

With some subjects (and lighting conditions) you will need more sharpening than with others, you just need to learn to recognize when you need to turn down the sharpening a tad. In really awesome light, I find I need less sharpening than in “bad” light.

cheers,

Jer

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eddiebones Basic MemberWed 07-Dec-05 09:34 PM
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#114. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Los Angeles, US
          

Thanks for confirming my suspicions, Jer-

I was shooting at 200 ISO as well...seems like I just have to work on the whole histogram thing, and also recognize the lighting situation & adjust accordingly.

appreciate the prompt feedback...
jim

  

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#116. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi J3R !

I have read through all these 100+ messages, and would like to say Many Thanks for your valuable advices on the simplest way to get good pics from the D70 ! plus your photos are really amazing ! --- I will try to go out this weekend to try your recommended setting !

But I found the use of the SB800 plus the D70 for shooting indoor quite difficult to get good result (i.e. either too dark or too bright, or the color look not good) --- do you have any advice on the "simple" way to shot with the SB800+D70 combo ?

Note : I have currently own two lens, the 18-70DX and 70-300G.

Looking for your great advice & Thanks again !!!


  

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heed91 Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Jun 2004Thu 08-Dec-05 04:37 AM
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#117. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Gilbert, US
          

Jer, as has been stated several times now (and yet it still warrants another) your pictures are excellent and I too appreciate your tremendous help with this topic.

In reading through all the threads here I read a couple times where you mentioned taking the same scene and metering off the sky and then the foreground and the merging the two in Photoshop for a great final result. I know you said that you didn't want to go into detail about how to do that in Photoshop as there are a variety of ways to do it.

However, my question is could you post some websites that explain the process of doing this, or if you would like to just instruct me on how to do it I would appreciate that as well. Or if you prefer, I could email you so that you don't have to take up more space on this thread, since this is not really related to the original posting. Thanks again for all your dilligence with this post.
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locharbie Registered since 20th Jul 2006Thu 08-Dec-05 02:22 PM
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#118. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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I know you said that
>you didn't want to go into detail about how to do that in
>Photoshop as there are a variety of ways to do it.
>
>However, my question is could you post some websites that
>explain the process of doing this,


Hi Heath,

The term for it, or one of the terms anyway is digital blending. There are a multitude of tutorials on the internet regarding it, a Google search using the term "digital blending" will give you plenty of reading. Here are a few to get you started though:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/digital-blending.shtml

http://photonews.samys.com/public/item/105789

http://www.jessespeer.com/making_the_image/2004_0712_chasm/

Photoshop CS2 has a built in plug-in for it called HDR, which you can find under File/Automate/Merge to HDR. I can't recall now whether it was available in previous versons or not.

There are a number of after market plugins available for download (at a price), if you are interested. It is just as easy to do it yourself by following one of the tutorials in the sites I listed though.

Hope this helps,



Jim Craig

  

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edoruan Basic MemberThu 08-Dec-05 03:19 PM
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#120. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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New York, US
          


I'm sitting here, feeling very foolish. I'm trying to set up my D70s to do some tests with the settings Jer suggested at the start of this discussion. I have the camera and the manual in front of me. I've made all the adjustments . . . but I can't find the place where I change the color mode. Can anyone help me find my way? Please.

Edo

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dark13star Registered since 31st Oct 2005Thu 08-Dec-05 03:40 PM
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#121. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi Edo:

Shooting Menu>Optimize Image>Custom>Color Mode

Most of the settings that Jer discussed are under custom, except the white balance and exposure compensation.

Cheers

Rich

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edoruan Basic MemberThu 08-Dec-05 03:49 PM
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#122. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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New York, US
          


God bless you, Rich. I see now that I didn't go far enough into the menu. Would you believe that there was a time in my life when I wrote a couple of Nikon manuals?

Thanks, Edo

Edo

  

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dark13star Registered since 31st Oct 2005Thu 08-Dec-05 03:50 PM
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#123. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Denver, US
          

Check out the link below. I found it in another forum on Nikonians.

http://av.adobe.com/russellbrown/MergeAndPlaceSM.mov

The second part of the movie explains the technique using some automation in CS 2. I only have CS, but can do the same thing with manual pasting of images into layers. It seems that CS 2 makes it easier to return to the Raw image for adjustment as well.

Rich

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#124. "RE: SB-800 problems"
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FR
          

>>But I found the use of the SB800 plus the D70 for shooting indoor quite difficult to get good result (i.e. either too dark or too bright, or the color look not good) --- do you have any advice on the "simple" way to shot with the SB800+D70 combo<<

Hi Jason,

As no-one has picked up on your question maybe this will help...

Most indoor problems with the D70 and the SB-800 (just as with the D70 and the in-built flash) are caused by using it in TTL-BL mode when it should be in TTL mode.

With TTL-BL, the camera tries to expose for the whole scene (i.e. mainly background) and uses the flash just for a "fill".

With TTL, the flash becomes the main/sole source of illumination.

Many people don't realise that the D70 selects TTL-BL by default in all "pre-set modes" and in P, A and S modes when centre-weighted or matrix metering is used.

You can over-ride this and switch from TTl-BL to TTL on the SB-800 by pressing the mode switch

Using just the in-built flash, you can't over-ride it. If you want to use TTL mode, you have to use spot metering in A, S or P modes, or switch to M mode when using matrix or centre-weighted metering.

HTH





Pete
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J3R Basic MemberThu 08-Dec-05 09:37 PM
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#125. "RE: SB-800 problems"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks Jason and Heath for your comments, and thank you Rich, Pete and Jim for helping out with some answers in this thread.

In addition to what Pete said regarding the SB-800, remember that the meter / flash will not be correct all the time. There is no shortcut, we need to take responsibility for our images by adjusting exposure compensation/flash compensation when needed to keep the histogram snug to the right. The same principles I wrote about at the beginning of this post apply when using flash.

As far as blending goes, there are about ten ways (I’m not kidding) to do it, and I suggest looking through as many as you can find and combining them into your own methodology. Photoshop skills tend to congeal together; each technique you learn will improve your other techniques.

cheers,

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edoruan Basic MemberFri 09-Dec-05 01:18 AM
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#126. "RE: SB-800 problems"
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I went for the SB-600, because I only use portable flash when I must. If I did a lot of flash work, I'd have bought the SB-800.

While doing tests with the settings Jer outlined, I discovered a mystery. When I open the image in Capture, the information above the picture says: Color Mode: Mode la (sRGB). Understand, I have my preferences in Capture and on my D70s and on my Apple monitor set for Adobe RGB. And when I opened the Tool Palette 3 it said my color space is Adobe RGB 1998. Hmmm.

Edo

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J3R Basic MemberFri 09-Dec-05 10:28 AM
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#128. "RE: SB-800 problems"
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Malmö, SE
          

Edo,

What camera mode are you shooting in? The custom settings will only be valid in modes P, A, S, and M. In the auto modes the camera chooses these settings for you.

cheers,

Jer

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edoruan Basic MemberFri 09-Dec-05 02:38 PM
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#130. "RE: SB-800 problems"
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New York, US
          

>Edo,
>
>What camera mode are you shooting in? The custom settings
>will only be valid in modes P, A, S, and M. In the auto
>modes the camera chooses these settings for you.

I was in the P mode, Jer. I mustly use P, A or S.

Edo

  

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#127. "RE: SB-800 problems"
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Hi Frenchie !

Many Thanks for your reply !

In fact, I already noted the different between TTL-BL and TTL, and I am already using "center weight metering on D70 + TTL on SB800", but still sometime found the pics come out a bit dark or bright --- is the problem because of the SB800 flash angle ? or any other area need to be cared of ?

Looking for additional advice & Thanks again !!!

  

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Frenchie Registered since 06th Oct 2004Fri 09-Dec-05 10:34 AM
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#129. "RE: SB-800 problems"
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FR
          

Try using spot metering amd make sure the sensor you use is properly on your subject

Pete
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#132. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Stellenbosch, ZA
          

Hi Jer,

Thanks for your kind and insightful contributions to this forum!!

Considering the theme of excellent colour and lighting, may I divert from the current subject slightly (to another rather widely covered...) and ask you whether there is any one particular "photo" printer out of the latest Epson, Canon and HP's which really stands out to you?

Best regards,

Kevin

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edoruan Basic MemberSun 11-Dec-05 12:41 AM
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#133. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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New York, US
          

FYI

I've been working with my color mode problem, trying to set Adobe RGB 1998 but getting sRGB instead, and this is what seems to be wrong:

No matter which color mode I set my D70s at, Capture says the photo is in sRGB in the information on top of the image. I've switched back and forth between the three color modes, and shot tests, and it always says Mode la (sRGB) in Capture. So my thinking is the problem is in the camera, that the color mode in my D70s is not changing when I change it. I guess I will have to call Nikon.

Edo

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J3R Basic MemberSun 11-Dec-05 10:46 AM
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#135. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

I see you have made a separate post for this topic, thank you. I will try to help you there so we don’t clutter up this post too much.

cheers,

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J3R Basic MemberSun 11-Dec-05 10:40 AM
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#134. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Kevin!

Your welcome! I would prefer to keep this thread a little more on topic; I have given less attention to some questions because I feel they would suit better as new topics in more appropriate sections of this forum. I print everything at a lab, so I know nothing of the current home printers. If you can find a photo lab that calibrates their machines several times a day you can get great results without any hassle. If you really want to do the printing yourself then I would check out the “Printers, Scanners & Color Management” section of Nikonians.

cheers,

Jer

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Virgil Registered since 08th Aug 2004Mon 12-Dec-05 08:15 PM
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#136. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Vienna, AT
          

Hi Jer,

the one thing obviously everybody except me seems to know is that you said "expose to the right" but how exactly do you do this? Only by the +0.3EV? I played arround with some shots i did recently at a icehockey match which turned out to be on the left side (it was an arena outside with lousy light-conditions).

Thanks for helping me on that.

Cheers
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J3R Basic MemberMon 12-Dec-05 11:00 PM
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#137. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Wolfgang,

Imagine the data in your histogram is a mountain. You want the mountain to begin at the bottom left edge of the histogram and to end at the bottom right edge. By default, the D70 will tend to create a mountain on the left with a small ocean (flat area) on the right. So you want to push the mountain to the right, preferably so the mountain is in the middle of the histogram with both edges of the mountain ending at the bottom corners of the histogram.

Different scenes and levels of dynamic range will have different looking histograms. The histogram will not always look like a perfect mountain, you will have to learn how to make a judgment when it does not, but for starters pay attention to the mountain metaphor and you will get the idea. Basically you don’t want a flat area on the right of the histogram; you want the mountain to slope down to the right corner.

+0.3 compensation is just a good place to start, but you will sometimes have to use +0.7 or +1.0, and sometimes even more. Occasionally, you will need to use negative compensation.

Try this: Go out with your camera in some diffused lighting, such as on an overcast day. Take a shot with no compensation, then the same shot with +0.3, then +0.7. Study the histograms of each shot and evaluate the shots when you get home. Which one looks best without having to mess with levels? Could the shot have benefited from even more exposure compensation? Is the +0.7 shot overexposed? Most importantly, use your eyes when doing this evaluation. I cannot stress that last point enough; do not think that your histogram has to look any particular way. Be the judge of your own pictures, and use your eyes to do so, not some technical definition of what a histogram is suppose to look like; such information should only be used as a guideline. Try this same experiment in more difficult lighting as well.

The idea is to learn to make this judgment before you shoot, but the only way to learn how to do so is to pay attention to the histogram as well the visual result after each shot. After a while you will learn how much compensation to use based on the lighting.

It is much simpler than it sounds; do it for a week and you will say: “aha!”

cheers,

Jer

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AVJason Registered since 25th Feb 2002Tue 13-Dec-05 05:21 AM
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#138. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi J3R !

Your further explanation on interpreting the histogram Vs exposure compensation is really very useful !!!

And I have two questions would like to ask :-
(1) can I apply the same method on interpreting histogram & make expo compensation, when using the SB800 for "in-door flash" shooting ?
(2) when using with the SB800 (both in-door-flash & out-door-fill-flash), should I also use the "Auto white balance -3" method as you suggested in the very beginning ?

Looking for your further advice & many Thanks again !!!

  

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J3R Basic MemberThu 15-Dec-05 12:07 PM
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#141. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Jason!

Yes when using flash you can observe the histogram and make flash / exposure compensation to push the histogram more towards the right. White balance is more of a personal thing; I find with flash the white balance needs to be adjusted more often than without flash. When shooting indoors (with all your light coming from the flash) I usually use WB Auto (+-something) or WB Flash (+-something). Bouncing off anything but white will give a color cast to the light, which is why there is often the need to make more white balance adjustments when using flash. For fill flash I usually stick with WB Auto (-something).

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schirgotis Registered since 26th Oct 2002Sat 24-Dec-05 01:05 AM
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#146. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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I just want to say thank you so much for these camera settings. I am so tired of so much PS with my D70. I came across this post and change my camera setting as you posted. Today was the first chance I had to try the new settings. They are great! Out of the first 25 I have processed I only had to process 1 other than cropping.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Suzanne

  

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#139. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Vienna, AT
          

Hi Jer,

thanks for the very pictoral explanation (if i would have never understood what a histogram is and works would for sure have now). I also know about EV but thought you had found out something more general like you´re saying "+0.3EV is a good startingpoint". More precisely phrased - does the D70 behave in a way to say it´s in general one stop or half stop or whatever number + or - below what a meter would read or does it really depend on the situation only (as with any camera/metering)?

Again - thank you for the time taken, the patience and the thoughts you´ve put into your explanation to make it very understandable.

Cheers
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edoruan Basic MemberTue 13-Dec-05 02:10 PM
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#140. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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New York, US
          

Jer,

Thank you so much for your lucid explanation of how to make use of the histogram while shooting. It reminds me of the way I used to shoot film on the street. I’d take a general incident-light meter reading or two, then use my eye to make f-stop adjustments.

Edo

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#142. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Wolfgang!

Your welcome!

I have tried to avoid giving an opinion as to whether the D70 underexposes or not, as this is a subject that we can easily waste time arguing over. I think it doesn’t matter, it does what it does. Most cameras actually meter slightly off neutral grey. I think what causes much confusion is that when we take film to be processed at a lab, the lab auto corrects everything for us including exposure; if one moves from film to digital they will think the digital camera is underexposing by comparison. The truth is that digital is more like slides; we need to nail our exposures if we want our shots to look great out of the camera.

I would say the standard +0.3 compensation I use is to adjust the meter to neutral gray. However, I believe metering slightly off neutral grey is the standard for most cameras.

cheers,

Jer

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Virgil Registered since 08th Aug 2004Thu 15-Dec-05 12:36 PM
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#143. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Vienna, AT
          

Hi Jer,

ok - so we had the same findings and ideas - thanks for your confirmation.

Cheers
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#144. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Medford, US
          

Jer,

Thank you so much for this thread, it confirmed some of my ideas and enlightened me in several others. Like everyone else, your images are superb, especially those in France as I have travelled there several times and it is a country and people close to my heart.

I was considering the purchase of a 70-200 VR to broaden my focal lengths but you have destablized this decision with your kit lens images. I will have to think this over some more.

Just wondering, what type of tripod and head combination do you use?

With admiration,

Jason

D70 / 50mm f1.8 / 18-200mm f3.5-5.6 / SB-600 / Markins M10 / Feisol CT-3401N / lots of cards, filters, & other goodies to boot!

  

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#147. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Jason!

Thanks so much for your comments; sorry it took so long to reply but I have been away for a month.

I use a Velbon El Carmagne 540 with a Velbon PH-263QL ball head.

cheers,

Jer

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#148. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi J3R !

I am not flattering, but today I spent a lot of time on your website. It's just great !

After lot of thinking, I decided to buy D70S; but my real wish was to have a D200. Due to the heavy investment required, I decided to stick to D70S. But I had a niggling doubt - whether D70S can take good photos. This is after going thru many forums in which people have complained about underexposure, lack of sharpness etc.

After seeing the images you have captured, I am just dumbfounded. I now believe that "cameras don't take photos, people do." I have now wholeheartedly decided to go in for D70S kit.

I have also started learning Flash and I see that in your site you have got some tutorials. I will be going thru those also !


Great work, jer !

Regards,

Prakash P


  

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#149. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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AW
          

Prakrash,

You've made a good choice with the D70s.

The D70s is an excellent tool that produces outstanding images. To me, the D200 is just more of the same in a more rugged body.

That said, some people get less than good results from either of these cameras. Reasons range from they don't understand photography basics, digital imaging specific exposure requirements, image composition, photo editors, printing, and the list goes on and on.

This is not a trivial pursuit, but it is immensely satisfying once you get all these pieces pulled together in your brain.

BTW, try Jer's custom settings in your camera at the beginning of this thread. They can eliminate some workflow steps in your photo editor.

Regards,




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#150. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hi David !

Thanks for the encouragement and suggestion. I'll come back once I get my camera !

Regards,

Prakash P

  

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#152. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Spanaway, US
          

J3R,

I'd also like to join the others here, and say you have a fantastic site. This is an excellent thread, you have given some excellent advice. As soon as my camera returns from the repair shop I'll be trying your suggestions. 2 things I'd like to see you go into (because you explain things so well) is histograms, and exposure which both go hand in hand.

I'd also like to see a tutorial from you. I'd even be willing to donate a few bucks to help cover the costs of your time and I'm sure other would also.

Thanks,

Al
If the sun is out.....So is my D70.

  

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J3R Basic MemberThu 26-Jan-06 06:21 PM
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#154. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks Urslow!

I think I have gone into histograms and exposure a bit in this thread. If you have specific questions about those perhaps start a new thread and I will try to chime in. I am flattered that you would like me to write some tutorials, perhaps I will if I ever get the time to do so. This thread has become rather long; perhaps I will go through it one day and consolidate all the information into a tutorial and at the same time expand upon some of the ideas discussed here.

cheers,

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J3R Basic MemberThu 26-Jan-06 06:11 PM
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#153. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks Prakash!

Yes the D70S will serve you very well; it’s an awesome camera. I am glad I saved you some money. Interestingly enough I was given a D200 over the holiday. I was not planning on getting one any time soon but I am not complaining either! I can tell you honestly that the D200 is a great camera, but so is the D70. In fact, both have advantages, and disadvantages, both can create awful as well as excellent pictures.

Enjoy your new camera and good luck with Flash!

cheers,

Jer

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jhopkins Registered since 07th Jan 2007Tue 17-Jan-06 07:24 PM
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#151. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Hillsboro, US
          

Hi Jer,

I must say this thread has helped immensely. I have a D70 coming from another Nikonian this week and, as it will be my first DSLR, this thread was exactly what I needed to shorten the learning curve. Thank you.

BTW, spectacular images on your site. Truly great images are about the light.

Jay

  

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J3R Basic MemberThu 26-Jan-06 06:40 PM
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#155. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks Jay!

I am glad I was able to help. Enjoy your D70!

cheers,

Jer

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ErikwithaK Registered since 18th Dec 2005Mon 30-Jan-06 04:14 PM
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#156. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Centereach, US
          

I love your pictures too! Thanks for all of the info . . . very enlightening!!

However, I don't understand one thing. When shooting RAW with factory settings, I often expose for the highlights in order to avoid white skies, and other blown-out highlights; and bring out the detail in the shadows with Capture.

If I set my exposure to +0.3 am I working against this rule-of-thumb?

  

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J3R Basic MemberMon 30-Jan-06 08:11 PM
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#157. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Erik!

Thanks, and you are very welcome!

I do not think that we should just leave our exposure compensation at +.3 and then turn off our brains; I just use +.3 as a starting point instead of 0.

You are correct in most situations you do not want to blow out the sky. Depending on the dynamic range of the scene, as well as the overall brightness of the scene, you will need varying amounts of exposure compensation. This pushing to the right idea is most applicable when the scene does not exceed the dynamic range of the camera, for example on an overcast day or in the open shade, or even on a bright sunny day when everything in the frame is evenly lit. In such evenly lit situations I find that a good exposure is most often achieved with positive exposure compensation, pushing the histogram to the right, as the camera tends to meter with draconian laws of highlight protection.

If a scenes dynamic range does exceed that of the camera, then we need to make more decisions. We can use fill flash to help fill in shadows. We can use grad ND filters or blended exposures to even out the dynamic range in extreme situations. We can, as you say, expose for the highlights and then boost the shadows later in post processing. We can expose for the highlights and go for a silhouette look, for example when taking a picture of a person or some trees in front of a sunset. We can sometimes even get away with blowing out the sky or background for the sake of the subject. All of these decisions however are up the artist to make; there is no rule. It is the photographer that must choose before taking each shot what type of picture they want to be painting with the light. The only way to get better at making all of these judgments (in my opinion) is to go out and shoot as much as you can.

In general, I recommend that everyone pay attention to their histogram, and keep it snug to the right. Most of the time, I need to use positive compensation such as +.3, +.7, and +1, but I will certainly push it higher when needed. Occasionally I use negative compensation, and sometimes even 0 works!

I hope that answers your question.

cheers,

Jer

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ErikwithaK Registered since 18th Dec 2005Tue 31-Jan-06 02:52 AM
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#160. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Centereach, US
          

Yes, you answer my question very well. But as I read it I think of your "mountain" analogy where you correcly point out that you want your highlights to taper off to nothing at the right end of the histogram, if possible. -That right there is the key to it.

If that's the key, then the lock is shooting ready to override this off-set when the scene calls for it.

Personally, I like to spot meter around and place certain highlight tones right-about where I want them in the exposure. I post-process my RAW files for the shadows . . . Capture 4 / PS CS2 is good at this!

. . . but that was before I read this thread, and the endorsements by those who tried it out!

I can't wait to try it out in both RAW output and Jepg out modes!

Thank you again Jer.

  

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dringer Registered since 29th Jan 2007Mon 30-Jan-06 11:52 PM
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#158. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Morgantown, US
          

Could, perhaps, a Moderator anchor this post? I find it very informative. Given the number of replys, others do too.

Dan

  

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PolarBearing Registered since 01st Jan 2005Tue 31-Jan-06 12:40 AM
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#159. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Thanks very much for sharing this advice Jer. It's amazing the difference in the quality JPEGs I get now using these settings.

And your photos are incredible - thanks for sharing those, too!

  

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ErikwithaK Registered since 18th Dec 2005Wed 01-Feb-06 12:34 AM
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#161. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Centereach, US
          

How will Jer's settings apply to my buddy's D1x????

  

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B_Eapen Registered since 10th Nov 2005Wed 01-Feb-06 08:29 PM
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#162. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Lakeland, US
          

Hi Jer,
I have followed your advise and set my camera as you suggested. However I do have a question. You recommended that one shoot in SRGB. Now is this a setting you can choose within your camera (I own a D70S)or is it a setting in one of the post processing softwares. If its an in camera setting, how would I set it.
Your help would be greatly appreciated and thanks for sharing your thoughts for beginners like me.
BTW the pictures are a real treat for the eyes.

Thanks,
Ben

Capture what you see and let the world see what you saw .....
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PolarBearing Registered since 01st Jan 2005Sun 05-Feb-06 05:15 PM
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#163. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Ben, these setting are really only for getting good JPEG photos right out of the D70/D70S. All digital cameras perform post-processing on image data when they create a JPEG file - the settings Jer shared with us are to tell the D70 how you want those JPEG files to be processed so they look better than Nikon's default settings. NEF (RAW) files won't benefit from these settings since RAW files don't use it.

The whole point of this is to take pictures you generally won't have to post-process. So if you want to do this, be sure to have your camera set to shoot JPEG files in some way.

Go to Shooting Menu | Image Quality and select either NEF+JPEG Basic, or choose one of the JPEG-only options - JPEG Fine is the best. Then make sure that Shooting Menu | Image Size is set to Large.

Then make the changes Jer suggested. The settings are found here in the D70 menu:
Shooting Menu | Optimize Image | Custom

Adjust the white balance here:
Shooting Menu | White Bal

Then bump your exposure compensation up by +.3 - you might want to look this up in the manual since I don't know what page it is for the D70S.

Good luck!

  

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J3R Basic MemberSun 05-Feb-06 09:35 PM
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#164. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Thanks Tony and Ben!

I just wanted to clear something up : The settings are written to your NEF files as well, but will only be applied when you open them with Nikon View / Nikon Capture. Check out post number 16 of this thread for more reading about that.

Color modes iiia and ia are SRGB; color mode ii is adobe RGB.

cheers,

Jer

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B_Eapen Registered since 10th Nov 2005Mon 06-Feb-06 06:38 PM
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#165. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Lakeland, US
          

Thanks you Tony and Jer. The inofrmation has been very helpful.

Thanks,
Ben

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ping7121 Registered since 08th Feb 2006Wed 08-Feb-06 08:44 PM
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#166. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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This is what Nikon told me: "I am glad that you posted this text. That's not correct at all. Custom settings applied in camera will be effective in any and all image viewing and editing software. The comment made in this text is absolutely incorrect and you can quote me on that. There is an issue of Exif data not displaying in its entirety when viewed in 3rd party software but we are talking about text and not image quality. This text says differently as the author is implying that custom settings changes in the camera will not be displayed in third party software and that simply is dead wrong. The comment dictates a complete misunderstanding of what custom settings are and how they are used."

Thank you for sharing your settings, which I am trying. Since I am new to digital, I always make sure I understand how to do things. I copied this post to Nikon so maybe their response will be of interest to others.

  

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J3R Basic MemberWed 08-Feb-06 10:01 PM
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#167. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi there,

I am sorry I do not understand what you are trying to say with your post; it is out of context and does not make sense. The only reason I can think that someone from Nikon would write something like that about my post is if you only gave them a segment from my post, completely out of context.

If you shoot in jpg then yes the jpg will look the same in different imaging programs. However with RAW your image will look different depending on which RAW workflow you use. Only Nikon Capture and Nikon View will apply all the in camera settings to your RAW files.

cheers,

Jer

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eddiebones Basic MemberThu 09-Feb-06 12:59 AM
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#168. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Los Angeles, US
          

Hey J3R -

not only is it a confusing post, but leaves me to ponder...

details, shmetails. who really cares? your photos are incredible.

wasn't the original reason for this thread about getting great results anyway?

jim

  

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J3R Basic MemberThu 09-Feb-06 08:43 AM
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#169. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Jim,

Thanks about the pictures!

After my last response I realized that ping7121 has only one post in Nikonians, which could mean that he or she is just trying to "troll" the thread and start a silly argument with completely false information. I will ignore it for now.

cheers,

Jer

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leebaylin Silver Member Charter MemberThu 09-Feb-06 11:11 AM
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#170. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Baltimore, US
          

Jer,

I find this post so helpful that I go back to it often. I think it would be useful to many to distill it into one article to make it easier to refer to. Would you consider undertaking that task, or if not, would you mind if I gave it a try?

Lee Baylin

  

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J3R Basic MemberThu 09-Feb-06 11:27 AM
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#171. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Malmö, SE
          

Hi Lee,

I am glad that so many people have found this post so useful. I will use the content of this post, with a little editing, and make an artical.

It might take a little time (as I am busy at the moment with other things) but I will get to it as soon as I can.

cheers,

Jer

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leebaylin Silver Member Charter MemberThu 09-Feb-06 11:42 AM
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#172. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Baltimore, US
          

Thanks!. I look forward to it.

Lee Baylin

  

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ErikwithaK Registered since 18th Dec 2005Fri 10-Feb-06 03:09 AM
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#173. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Centereach, US
          

I love these settings! I barely have to touch the shot if I exposed the highlights correctly!

  

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kocho Basic MemberFri 10-Feb-06 01:07 PM
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#174. "RE: Great pictures straight out of the D70"
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Metro DC, US
          

Let me try to explain. Nikon IS RIGHT that "custom settings do show in third party applications" in the sense that the settings itself show as EXIF data. However, third party applications generally IGNORE these settings for the actual processing of the image. So while they DO SHOW they are generally NOT APPLIED to !!! RAW !!! images. They ARE APPLIED to JPG everyshere, I believe.

Mind you, not applying Nikon's settings in third party software is NOT a bug, it is a feature to allow you to get better results in software than what your camera is capable of. Of course, I wouldn't mind another feature that would LET ME choose if I want them applied or ignored, but for this to happen I imagine Nikon would need to tell the 3-rd party manufacturer how to do it right, and I do not see this happening...

Do a simple experiment: Shoot a RAW in your Nikon and open it with both Nikon Capture (or Picture Project or Nikon View or Nikon Edit) as well as in Photoshop Elements for instace (trials are available for free).

You will see the difference in rendering the image - Nikon will give you what you expect with all your custom settings applied, the other will render perhaps much less saturated, less sharpened etc. If you take the third party "auto" adjustments the results will be yet another version.

The original post stated this: "Keep in mind that custom settings will only be applied to jpg’s and/or raw files that are viewed in Nikon View and Nikon Capture", where the key word is "applied", which is true for most settings.

I think the original statement's grammar may be misleading you or Nikon to read it that the custom settings are not applied to JPGs, where I think it reads that they are ALWAYS applied to JPG and are only applied to RAW in Nikon's view/editing software. Once created in camera, JPG should show the same in all imaging packages. So, if you shoot RAW you will see different results using Nikon vs. other software. If you shoot JPG you will see the same image everywhere. Try it to see, don't blindly trust Nikon us, the posters, who may have misspoken or not have explained in full what we meant


>This is what Nikon told me: "I am glad that you posted this
>text. That's not correct at all. Custom settings applied in
>camera will be effective in any and all image viewing and
>editing software. The comment made in this text is
>absolutely incorrect and you can quote me on that. There is
>an issue of Exif data not displaying in its entirety when
>viewed in 3rd party software but we are talking about text
>and not image quality. This text says differently as the
>author is implying that custom settings changes in the
>camera will not be displayed in third party software and
>that simply is dead wrong. The comment dictates a complete
>misunderstanding of what custom settings are and how they
>are used."
>
>Thank you for sharing your settings, which I am trying.
>Since I am new to digital, I always make sure I understand
>how to do things. I copied this post to Nikon so maybe
>their response will be of interest to others.

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