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mkbee1 Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Nov 2012Wed 13-Feb-13 09:42 PM
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"Huh? What's that all about?"


West Valley, US
          

I am just getting to know my new D90, and I am confused. I like it, but it is very complicated!

I shot my D50 for years, apparently at the default sharpening setting, with no problems ever with sharpness that I didn't cause myself.

Now, I read the D90 manual, and it says there ia an Auto feature, (which I just found, yay!) which controls it automatically, or I can choose between 0-9 levels.

Good ol' Ken Rockwell, in his D90 User's Guide, says Neutral and +1 sharpening for people, and I assume, general photo subjects.

My Magic Lantern Guide says: P.85: "NOTE:Nikon appears to have changed direction somewhat in terms of in-camera sharpening with the D-90, as it is noticeably less aggressive with JPEG files compared with other Nikon DSLR cameras. The result is that at the default settings for the Nikon Picture Controls, JPEG images can look rather soft...try a level of 5 or 6 as a starting point..."

Oh, boy!

I have not noticed any sharpness problems, with my Picture Control at Standard and sharpening at + 3.

Soooo...should I keep doing what I have been, and not worry about the rest? Would the Nikonian's D 90 guide be a good purchase for clarification?

What does everybody else do?

Thanks

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aolander Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Sep 2006Wed 13-Feb-13 10:56 PM
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Nevis, US
          

"Soooo...should I keep doing what I have been, and not worry about the rest?"

Yes

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JosephK Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 17th Apr 2006Thu 14-Feb-13 12:53 AM
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Seattle, WA, US
          

If you are happy with the results you are getting, then continue what you are doing.

In my higher end cameras, I have one of the shooting banks setup for snapshots where I am not expecting to do much (if any) post processing; here the sharpening is higher than normal.

The rest of the time I have the sharpening and most other settings on a neutral mark and do it all in post processing for better control.

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suzyk Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Dec 2011Sat 16-Feb-13 02:41 PM
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near Hobart, AU
          

Joseph,

When you say 'neutral mark', would that mean default settings or 0 or something else?
I shoot raw and I'm experimenting with PP. I've been wondering how sharpening in camera affects sharpening PP? It would be interesting if you could elaborate.

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JosephK Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 17th Apr 2006Sun 17-Feb-13 12:31 AM
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Seattle, WA, US
          

By neutral, I mean zero or in the middle of the scale used. (This is usually not the factory defaults.)

When shooting raw files, only Nikon's software will use the picture controls, everyone else ignores them. With Nikon's software the settings are used only for the initial display of the picture, and you can change them easily during the post processing. Since these settings are baked into the JPGs, there is less room for changes there.

In general, sharpening needs to happen twice. At the beginning of post processing, just after any noise correction, "input sharpening" is used to correct the effects of the filters on the sensor. At the end of your post processing, "output sharpening" is then applied at levels specific to where the picture is going (web, printer, etc).

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suzyk Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Dec 2011Fri 22-Feb-13 12:21 AM
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near Hobart, AU
          

Thanks for the clarification, Joseph.

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Arkayem Moderator Awarded for his high level skills in flash photography Charter MemberSun 10-Mar-13 07:32 PM
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Richmond Hill, GA (Savannah), US
          

>I am just getting to know my new D90, and I am confused. I
>like it, but it is very complicated!
>
>I shot my D50 for years, apparently at the default sharpening
>setting, with no problems ever with sharpness that I didn't
>cause myself.
>
>Now, I read the D90 manual, and it says there ia an Auto
>feature, (which I just found, yay!) which controls it
>automatically, or I can choose between 0-9 levels.
>
>Good ol' Ken Rockwell, in his D90 User's Guide, says Neutral
>and +1 sharpening for people, and I assume, general photo
>subjects.
>
>My Magic Lantern Guide says: P.85: "NOTE:Nikon appears to
>have changed direction somewhat in terms of in-camera
>sharpening with the D-90, as it is noticeably less aggressive
>with JPEG files compared with other Nikon DSLR cameras. The
>result is that at the default settings for the Nikon Picture
>Controls, JPEG images can look rather soft...try a level of 5
>or 6 as a starting point..."
>
>Oh, boy!
>
>I have not noticed any sharpness problems, with my Picture
>Control at Standard and sharpening at + 3.
>
>Soooo...should I keep doing what I have been, and not worry
>about the rest? Would the Nikonian's D 90 guide be a good
>purchase for clarification?
>
>What does everybody else do?

You can normally only see the softness you are talking about when looking at the image at 100% or very large prints, like 11x14 or bigger.

For most normal uses, the default sharpening is fine.

Also, the only time you have to worry about additional sharpening is when shootinhg jpegs. If you are shooting raw, the sharpening does nothing except sharpen the embedded jpeg image (which is what you see on the LCD camera monitor). With raw images, you can adjust everything during post processing.

Russ
Nikonian Moderator
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