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pasknucklehead Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Feb 2008Thu 29-Mar-12 02:36 AM
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"70-300 question"


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Hi friends,
A quick question about the sigma 70-300 apo dg4.5.6. Would the nikon 70-300 vr be a better piece of glass for me? I'm thinking the sigma is okay, but wondering if I would see a big difference. Just wondering...

Darlene

  

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ShrimpBoy Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006Thu 29-Mar-12 04:13 AM
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#1. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Brighton and Hove, UK
          

I have the Nikkor and love it, it's sharp and contrasty and one of my nicer lenses (I'm all consumer stuff). I couldn't do without the VR. But...

It's still a slow lens so you'll need good light to shoot action. And it'll never focus as fast as a 70-200.

It won't focus closer than about five feet, where your Sigma (if it's the 70-300 APO Macro I just Googled) can get as close as three-and-a-bit feet.

I put extension tubes on my Nikkor for the occasional close-up:



Gary
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chesterdawg Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Jul 2010Thu 29-Mar-12 03:17 PM
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#2. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Commerce, US
          

The thing about the Nikon is it achieves focus very quickly in addition to producing great pics.

If you can afford it get the Nikon, you can never go wrong.

FWIW I have and love a Tokina (Pro) 11-16 f2.8 which I chose over Nikon and people rave about.

I also just picked up a Tamron (used ebay) 200-500mm and am very happy with it as well.

I chose the Tammy over Nikon based soley on price.

I have many Nikon lenses and am pleased as well.

Steve

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pasknucklehead Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Feb 2008Thu 29-Mar-12 03:23 PM
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#3. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Hi, I have the 105 macro lens so I'm not too worried about the nikon 70-300 focusing close, so that's not a problem. I'm just wondering if I can get more from the nikon 70-300 than from what I'm getting from my sigma. ie sharper pics and a little faster focusing. So you are thinking that I will?

Darlene

  

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JosephK Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 17th Apr 2006Thu 29-Mar-12 08:58 PM
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#4. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Seattle, WA, US
          

> ie sharper pics and a little faster focusing

Part of this answer is probably going to depend on what subject you are shooting and how good/bad the light conditions are.

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17-55mm f/2.8 DX, 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR, 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 DX

  

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ShrimpBoy Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006Fri 30-Mar-12 02:14 AM
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#5. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Brighton and Hove, UK
          

Honestly I think you should save your pennies for a used 70-200 VR. You've said in other posts that you've borrowed one so you know what it can do. The 70-300 won't be in the same league. You could also look up what people think of the Sigma or Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 zooms.

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Kidkett Silver Member Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 09th Apr 2010Fri 30-Mar-12 03:47 AM
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#6. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Campo, US
          

Hi Darlene,

I have to agree with Gary and save your money for the 70-200mm as I think you’re going to be much happier with a faster Pro lens. If the 70-200mm is too expensive and you can do without VR, go for the 80-200mm f2.8 for half the price and still a Pro lens. Then you can get a 1.7X or 2X tele-converter on it and still have an f4.7 to f5.6 lens at up to 340mm to 400mm. That is just my thoughts about the subject.

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pasknucklehead Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Feb 2008Fri 30-Mar-12 02:01 PM
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#7. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Well, that does make sense. I was thinking along the lines of just switching out my sigma 70-300 for a nikon 70-300 solely because I wanted quicker focusing and sharper pics, BUT I wanted it instead of the 70-200 precisely for the longer zoom. However, if I can manage to have both the quicker focusing and sharper and possibly more zoom, I should check out the 80-200 f2.8 and the tele converters. I am correct, right?

Darlene

  

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MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007Fri 30-Mar-12 09:29 PM
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#8. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Hi Darlene,


>However, if I can manage to have both the quicker
>focusing and sharper and possibly more zoom, I should check
>out the 80-200 f2.8 and the tele converters. I am correct,
>right?

Only the Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED IF AF-S will AF when used with a Nikkor TC.
The Kenko Pro 300 Series TC's will work with the other versions of the Nikkor AF 80-200mm f/2.8 lenses.
The Nikkor TC's do not have a screwdriver type AF drive but the Kenko Pro 300 Series TC's do. both fully support AF-S and HSM lenses.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

  

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Kidkett Silver Member Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 09th Apr 2010Sat 31-Mar-12 02:33 AM
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#10. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Campo, US
          

Hi Darlene,

I think you should at least take a look at it as it is a very good lens. It is on par with the 70-200mm lens you like without VR but just keep your shutter speed up and you should be OK and you won't use VR if your taking picture of sports or fast action anyway. You will always be much happier with a faster f2.8 lens than a lens that starts out at f4.5 to 5.6 as I think you already know. The focus is a little slower than the 70-200mm lens you used, so if you can try one on your camera to see how well it works would be a good idea as each camera works differently.

Marty is right about the TC and you will have to use Kenko, Tamron, or one of the others but you can get a used one much cheaper than a Nikon. You will have to look at how much will you use the lens with a TC. If it is a lot you might want to start saving again for a longer lens, but you will never go wrong with ether the 70-200 or the 80-200mm that are Pro lens that are sharp and fast compared to the consumer lenses.

The 80-200mm f2.8 ED IF AF-S that Marty was talking about with a motor inside the lens is around $1500.00 used and they quit making then some time back. The 80-200mm I was talking about is $1100.00 new at B & H photo, and cheaper used. I would look here on the Nikonians and around for a used one. It does weigh more but built so much better than the cheap plastic lens make today. It is made almost of all metal that will probably will last longer than you will. You used the 70-200 so you know what the weight is, the 80-200mm is a little lighter than the 70-200mm. Take a look at one and see how you like it, in the long run I think it will be so much better than the 70-300mm.

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micaelak Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Aug 2009Sat 31-Mar-12 12:36 AM
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#9. "RE: 70-300 question"
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I have the 70-300vr Nikkor and the non-afs 80-200 2.8 Nikkor and what a difference. I have had better IQ using the 80-200 and cropping than using the 70-300 for reach. The 80-200 is at a reasonable price range
being non vr and non-afs

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pasknucklehead Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Feb 2008Sat 31-Mar-12 07:10 PM
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#11. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Okay, if I get the 80-200 non vr and non-afs will it still autofocus on my d90? I know that afs means the lens has a motor built in it, but then my camera does to, what would be the difference than besides the price.?

Darlene

  

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MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007Sat 31-Mar-12 11:32 PM
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#12. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Hi Darlene,

>Okay, if I get the 80-200 non vr and non-afs will it still
>autofocus on my d90?

Yes! If you want to use a TC with the AF 80-200mm f/2.8D ED, as I stated above the Nikkor TC's will not provide AF. The Kenko Pro 300 Series TC.s will provide AF.

>I know that afs means the lens has a
>motor built in it, but then my camera does to, what would be
>the difference than besides the price.?

The AF-S version of the 80-200mm will focus faster, is slightly better optically, and will AF when combined with a Nikkor TC.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

  

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#17. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Campo, US
          

Yes it uses the screwdriver motor in you camera to focus. That is why I said to try one on your camera and see how it works. With the Pro body's it works very well and is fast focusing with this lens, I am not sure how it works with the D90. Maybe someone will chime in that has and uses one on a D90, but I am sure it will work fine as this lens goes way back and is still made today. The AF-S model has a motor like you said and is a little better lens is why it cost more, but they don't make it anymore and can only get it used.

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#13. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Toronto, CA
          

Which camera are you looking at this for? If I read it right, the sigma is FX?? Are you comparing it to the same Nikon??

I have all DX (for now!), and I use the nikon 7-300 DX which I find quite good and its cheap.

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Dennis Smith.

  

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JosephK Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 17th Apr 2006Sun 01-Apr-12 02:25 AM
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#14. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Seattle, WA, US
          

The Nikon 70-300mm VR is actually an FX lens.

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D700, D200, D70S, 24-70mm f/2.8, VR 70-200mm f/2.8 II, 50mm f/1.4 D,
17-55mm f/2.8 DX, 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR, 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 DX

  

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#15. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Toronto, CA
          

Well darn -- I thought it was a DX -- now I can think about it feeding into my new D800 (if only I had the cash to get that D800 )

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MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007Sun 01-Apr-12 03:42 AM
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#16. "RE: 70-300 question"
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US
          

Hi Dennis,

Of the three lenses listed in your Profile, only the 18-105mm is a DX lens.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

  

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cockers Silver Member Nikonian since 25th May 2006Sun 01-Apr-12 12:21 PM
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#18. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Sun 01-Apr-12 12:27 PM by cockers

Plover, US
          

Hi Darlene -

I'd like to address an issue no one has touched on and that's the weight of the 80-200. It is heavy and in my opinion rather unbalanced to handle on the D90 body. In fact it didn't balance well or feel comfortable on my D200. It worked well on a tripod though but that's not why I bought it. I sold my copy in 6 months after owning it and bought the 70-300 VR.
True, the image quality of the 80-200 is excellent but if your not comfortable lugging it around - it won't get used.

On the other hand the Nikkor 70-300 VR is an awesome lens, also with excellent pic quality and balances like a dream on the D90! Furthermore it will focus as fast or faster as the screw drive focus of the 80-200D. Additionally the VR is worth it's weight in Gold.

I'd recomend the 70-300 VR.

Al

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pasknucklehead Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Feb 2008Tue 03-Apr-12 12:32 AM
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#19. "RE: 70-300 question"
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Tue 03-Apr-12 12:34 AM by pasknucklehead

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Thanks everyone, I am going to check all these lens out and see what I come up with. Will certainly take all the suggestions to heart. It's hard to be me somedays.

Darlene

  

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