#1. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0
I had a D80, which I sold, and now I have a D90 & a D7000. Although Nikon says that the D7000 is not a replacement for the D90, it is newer technology and more advanced than the D90. If I had to decide on a replacement for the D80, I would go for the D7000, although the D90 is a very good camera. That's my nickel's worth (or 2 cents X 2.5).
#2. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0
Camera shutter mechanisms are designed to provide a certain number of actuations. If I remember correctly the shutter on the D80 is rated to 100,000 actuations though the actual shutter may last significantly longer or shorter. Sensors do not have a rated life expectancy. The Replacement for the D90 has been available for quite some time, it is the D7000. Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!
#3. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0
Back to basic's. If you are seeing "grain" otherwise known as noise for digital images, have you checked your iso setting? Higher iso's will result in that effect. Another cause could be correcting an underexposure in editing software. This would bring out the noise in dark areas of a photo. As a note, i find on my D80 body that iso's above 400 noise starts to become more apparant.
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#4. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 3 Thu 01-Dec-11 01:31 AM by quenton8
I would be surprised if your D80 was "deteriorating" in resolution.
Would I buy a new camera? - maybe -- a price-reduced D90? maybe, but maybe not - a D7000 -- might do that - stay with what I have -- if I don't want to spend the money for the 7000, I think I would stay and not move to anything else!!!
#5. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0
St Petersburg, RU
The replacement in the line-up is not direct, but two cameras that overlap in the place that the D90 would be, the D5100 and the D7000. The D7000 is about the same price as the D90 was when it was introduced but is a much more sophisticated camera with some performance characteristics that top all other Nikon's, or which means, all other DSLRs. But the learning curve for many is steeper and longer than the D90. The D90 generated a reputation for being almost the optimum balance between ease of use and performance. it is also one of the most sorted out cameras ever made, meaning it left the factory from day 1 with all systems working as intended and never needed software updates(there was one update but that was only to add compatibility with lens distortion compensation features of Capture NX2 that was added as an option to that software after the D90 was released). I have well over 75,000 shots on my D90 and it still amazes me how well it always works and how much more potential it has than I would likely ever outgrow. I did get a D7000, which I love but it is not as easy a camera to get the best images from. It is surely capable but it takes a little more attention to details and fundamentals. So, a new D90, or a late used version would be a very nice low cost option. The D5100 has the same great sensor as the D7000, in a slightly smaller and lighter body, with more features aimed at casual users such as more Scene modes and fewer external controls to deal with. The primary operational difference is the lack of an internal focusing motor. Few lenses are produced now without a focusing motor, and the few that are have alternatives available that do. If you have some old Nikon lenses which do not have focusing motors built in, this might be a factor that eliminates the D5100 from contention. A new D5100 sells for about the same price as a heavily discounted D90. Image quality, high ISO performance and resolution are all about the same as the D7000, which means it is about the best bang for the buck out there right now.
If you are happy with the D80 but considering a replacement solely due to the increased grain, I would suggest posting some images that you feel demonstrate the problem and we might be able to suggests some operational changes that could restore your faith in the camera. You know the camera, are comfortable with it and it IS capable of producing great images so do not feel that you need to upgrade. You don't, only in extremes conditions would you see a difference in images printed out of the D7000 and the D80. The best return on investment in terms of image influencing equipment would be to get a really good flash if you do not have one, or a fast prime in the Focal length that fits your subject matter best. Luckily, those two items can be low cost. Another great return on investment would be a live attendance workshop like those offered by Nikonians, or books/videos on the subjects that would benefit your subject preferences. Stan St Petersburg Russia
#7. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 5
Fairfax Station, US
> "The D5100 has the same great sensor as the D7000, in a slightly smaller and lighter body, with more features aimed at casual users such as more Scene modes and fewer external controls to deal with."
Stan, Just out of idle curiosity, I be curious how many scene modes the 5100 has. The 7000 has 19 scene modes. Best, Tom
#8. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 7
St Petersburg, RU
You stumped me, I had to go to the Nikon site to read that the D5100 has 16 scene modes. Their ads really emphasize that feature. I also did not know the D7000 has 19. I never turned it on, nor would I think many other owners would turn them on either. I think Nikon was asking for problems by suggesting that the D7000 is as easy to use as a D3100 or D5100 with the scene modes and recognition of up to 35 faces. A lot of people bought them assuming it is suitable for a beginner. I don't think it is.
What I should have said was the D5100 had their scene modes more emphasized which they are in Nikon promotions. It is easier to select a scene than menu dive for all the settings to accomplish the same thing.
#6. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0
> It seems that the pictures lately have had more of a "grain" to them
As noted by others, "grain" is usually attributable to noise from higher ISOs.
> I wonder if a sensor or something has just worn out??
Definitely not. Sensors don't wear out, actually.
> Does a DSLR have a life span and have I reached it?
Yes, to a degree. The shutters are the least reliable part, and they have a design life of about 100,000 cycles. It's possible to get that high - but in five years you'd have to average 20,000 frames per year to get there. (That's 400 per week, every week, for 5 years.) When the shutter gives up, you know it: you hit the button and the shutter doesn't fly, and Err pops up on the top LCD. No amount of clearing, reseting etc will make it go away, because it's drifted out of calibration. Nikon can replace it for about $400, which makes absolutely no sense on a camera like my D100 ($250 replacement cost) and which makes emminently great sense on a D3s ($3500 replacement cost). On a D80... it's about a tossup - but only if it's dead, and yours is not there.
Sight unseen I'd guess you've shot more like 5000/year, so you're likely to be about a quarter of the way through the design life.
> So.......keep my D80, get a new D90 or wait???
Keep the D80, and let's figure out why you seem to be seeing more grain or noise.
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#9. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0 Mon 02-Jan-12 09:18 AM by edt_nz
Barring any setting issues, maybe you are in the same situation I'm in - I'm 'seeing' more noise in my images because I'm sensitive to it. Especially now than I've seen some of the images from the newer sensors.
If I recall correctly, the D80 has a re-worked D200 sensor, so it's a good couple of years old now. The D80 still gets great images, but not at ISO 1000+
Personally, I'm waiting for the D400, just hoping that Nikon will do one!
#11. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0
>It seems that the pictures lately have had more of a >"grain" to them, and I wonder if a sensor or >something has just worn out?? Does a DSLR have a life span and >have I reached it?
As mentioned by others, sensors don't wear out (at least not that way - there are failure mechanisms for semiconductors). I am guessing that something else has changed, perhaps:
- your expectations have gone up - you bought a nicer, bigger monitor! - you changed something in your post processing software - you now shoot more often in dim circumstances - the batteries in your flash are no longer able to keep a healthy charge so your camera/post processing is having to compensate
#12. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0
near Hobart, AU
Forgive me if I am off the track but is it possible that the sensor is dirty? I have just been reading a new thread in the D5100/D5000/D3100/D3000 forum and I had no idea that sensors needed to be cleaned as often as it appears they do.
#13. "RE: Time for a new camera?" In response to Reply # 0
As some of us had mentioned before. You should try to check the ISO setting. Sensors do not wear off. I am a happy owner of D80 myself. It operated fine under -40C. It still works the same as a day I bought it. Maybe you have some dust on the sensor ? D80 has noise artifacts on Iso above 400. Good luck.