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D80User Registered since 25th Aug 2006Wed 27-Aug-08 03:32 PM
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"D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"


Simpsonville, US
          

Let's compare the D80 to the D90 to see if an upgrade is needed, desired or we just gotta have the newest stuff.

Round 1: D90 opens with a Video shot to the jaw. D80 hits the mate but bounces back with 2700 shots/charge. D90 staggers.

What's you take on round 2?

  

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Z06lust Registered since 24th Nov 2006Wed 27-Aug-08 06:14 PM
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#1. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Wed 27-Aug-08 06:16 PM by Z06lust


          

upgrade needed? NO. If you can't shoot great pictures with a D80 your not going to become Ansel Adams just by buying the D90. New DSLR owner--buying a first camera or upgrading from the intro class (40-60)--yes the D90 is 'better' then the D80. Just like the D300 is better then the D200 and the D400 will outclass the D300. Technology is moving forward and 95% of the time the 'next' model is better (more improved).

Will I buy a D90? Yes. It will replace my D40 as a 'travel' body (I also have a D300 when weight isn't an issue). Why? Video pure and simple. Airlines and baggage limitations are getting to be a pain, especially on overseas flights. I'm getting tired of walking around foreign cities trying to manage a still camera and video equip. Obviously the jury is still out on the video aspect as the camera was just announced--but if it is 'close' this will be a strong solution for 'me' and 'my' needs...a good quality all in one unit for Travel Photography.

  

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ColColt Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2008Wed 27-Aug-08 07:12 PM
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#2. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Knoxville, US
          

I have a Canon DC 320 that gives me all the quality I could ask for in a very small package...about the size of two packs of cigarettes side by side and I can take the disc out of the camera, pop it into a DVD player and voila, instant video. The D90 won't replace my D80 anytime in the near future.

  

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PhoThomas Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Jan 2007Wed 27-Aug-08 07:19 PM
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#3. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Wed 27-Aug-08 07:32 PM by PhoThomas

US
          

It's not needed for me - mostly, it's me that's the limitation, not my D80. However, I wouldnt mind having higher ISO's avaible, generally less sensor noise in low light, and faster AF.

According to Nikons specs, both the D80/D90 uses Multi-CAM 1000 with 11 focus points... Doesnt sound like faster AF...

My guess is that the D90 is somewhere between the D300 and D80 in the above regards - So, one day, far and away, I'll likely get the... drum solo... D300.

But then again - I'll gain a lot more, if I spend my money on lenses and a tripod...

So it's more likely, I'll upgrade my D80 to a D400, or whatever it's called at that point.

And I already got a great Canon video cam :-B

But of course, I'm curious, and will follow the D90

  

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mort Gold Member Nikonian since 21st May 2007Wed 27-Aug-08 07:42 PM
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#4. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Aylesford, GB
          

When the D80 was announced there was similar comparisons between it and the D70. Many D70 owners said they would not upgrade, but look at the camera that followed the D80. Whilst both D70 and D80 owners will buy the D90 I suspect that most of those that buy it as an upgrade will initially be those with D70 or the D40/x/60 cameras. It is nice to see the D90 has a built in built in focus motor.

Stephen

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F4s for B&W film
Assorted lenses

  

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eugenegold Registered since 05th Aug 2008Thu 28-Aug-08 12:50 AM
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#5. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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woodburn, US
          

it had to be better then the D80, but its not enough to exchange the D80 for a D90. its just time for some of us D80 owner to upgrade to the next step, D90 is not on the next step its just taller so its still intimidating. The most ground breaking feature that it has is the vid capability, thats why for some it will become a backup camera. But for others such as d40,d50,d60 and maybe d70 users it will be an upgrade.

"there is more to be seen in one photograph then in a whole movie"

  

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fstop808 Registered since 31st Dec 2006Thu 28-Aug-08 01:29 AM
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#6. "What's next after the D90?"
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US
          

Where does Nikon go in the numbering sequence for the D90's replacement? There was already a D100. Now what?

  

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D80User Registered since 25th Aug 2006Thu 28-Aug-08 01:58 AM
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#7. "RE: What's next after the D90?"
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Simpsonville, US
          

We still have D91 to D99. Let's start a wish list for the D95.

1. Built in WIFI
2. Built in GPS

  

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nht1637a Registered since 21st Mar 2008Thu 28-Aug-08 02:39 AM
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#8. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Thu 28-Aug-08 02:58 AM by nht1637a

Ballwin, US
          

I can not understand why they put video recorder into a DSLR cameras.I always consider ALL-IN-ONE means NO-ONE-GOOD.
When I need video, I use my Sony DVD camcorder with 5.1 Dolby surround sound recorded, 30x physical zoom.
I can't understand why they put GPS in a camera too.

Anyway, D90 have some features which are very interesting, such as better high-ISO performance.

I will upgrade my D80 to D300 sometime in future, but not the D90. I have DVD camcorder and GPS navigator already and they compact enought to be packed in my backpack easily.
Just my personal opinion

  

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petedawson Registered since 06th Jul 2006Thu 28-Aug-08 04:50 AM
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#9. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Looks like a great camera, the D80 was great two years ago. The quirky matrix metering was it's big issue. Personally I think I learnt a lot from that. I always slightly regretted not getting the D200 for the faster frame rate.

Personally I will be going from a D80 to a D400 or maybe a second hand D700.
I think that in two years time we may have reached a point with DSLR's where an older model body second hand is a very good option. The D300 and D700 are probably the start of that way of thinking as I cannot see future improvements being as big as previously. But I may be very wrong!!

Pete

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michael1778 Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd Jan 2006Thu 28-Aug-08 05:09 AM
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#10. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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The GPS features are for embedding GPS location data into the EXIF of the image. It most certainly is *not* for navigation purposes. You'd still need your stand-alone GPS for navigation.

Many are apparently enjoying seeing exactly where they were when the image was captured. Not my cup of tea at the moment, but it might be fun for some uses.

Best Regards,
Michael

  

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#21. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Sat 30-Aug-08 08:10 PM by Cookies35

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>I can not understand why they put video recorder into a DSLR
>cameras.I always consider ALL-IN-ONE means NO-ONE-GOOD.


I used to think precisely like you. Maybe even more so. But before you finish making up your mind about the camera, make sure you watch its launch video.

I'm not saying I'm going to go out and get one; I'm just saying that I'm now a bit humbler in my ranting.

-- LaDonna

PS: Make sure you watch the WHOLE video.

PPS: How many different lenses can your camcorder take? I'm just sayin' ...

_________________________________
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#24. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

Are you kidding me...what an awesome video. This camera totally rocks! Thanks for sharing!

  

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#32. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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my heart skipped a beat watching that video

  

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#48. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

I watched the video and am very impressed. I won't go and get one, because I still need to figure out the D80 which I love. Also I already have a fun video camera. It looks wonderful though and if I was in the market to buy a camera again, I would go for it.

Lisa

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Beastt Registered since 19th Apr 2008Wed 03-Sep-08 06:32 PM
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#37. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Wed 03-Sep-08 06:36 PM by Beastt

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>I can not understand why they put video recorder into a DSLR
>cameras.I always consider ALL-IN-ONE means NO-ONE-GOOD.
>When I need video, I use my Sony DVD camcorder with 5.1 Dolby
>surround sound recorded, 30x physical zoom.
>I can't understand why they put GPS in a camera too.

It's actually quite interesting the number of people who are jumping to this same conclusion -- that if the camera can record video, the still images are somehow suffering. And indeed, in some instances, trying to squeeze too many features into a single unit can lead to compromises. But I can see no reason why this would be the case with the D90. It appears to have the same sensor as the D300 (or one extremely similar), as well as the D300s fabulous LCD display. The video is just a bonus. Nikon wouldn't have included video at the detriment of image quality for the stills. That would be cutting their own throat and they know that.

Still, I think it can be said that if Nikon produced the D90 with the video disabled, the controls for video removed from the camera body, a different model number and a price $200 above the D90, you could place the two side-by-side on display and there are a substantial number of people who would buy the more expensive down-grade version and would somehow walk away believing they are going to bet better quality images.

I see the video as the cherry on top. It doesn't degrade anything else the camera can do and it's there if you ever want it. And while I mostly shoot with a D-SLR because I'm interested in photography rather than videography, if I didn't already have a D80 and a D200, the D90 would be on my shopping list. I'm already having to consciously tell myself I don't need one, every day.

  

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#11. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Thu 28-Aug-08 05:55 AM by peterah

Durban, ZA
          

Although the much talked about video mode is a start, it seems to be too limited: only take 5 minute video and no AF (therefore only really useful at wide angle with large DoF).

I am more interested in the higher ISO ratings with the CMOS sensor and the ability to use the newer picture controls.

BTW, there is no built-in GPS as has been posted. It is an add-on accessory for all Nikon cameras from the D90 upwards

Peter
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Holmes375 Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Sep 2006Thu 28-Aug-08 06:11 AM
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#12. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

Agreed, Peter.

I've heard quite a few folks mention the improved AF on the D90 but I'm not sure where that comes from. Be interesting to see the in-depth reviews.

-Holmes
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#18. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

>Agreed, Peter.
>
>I've heard quite a few folks mention the improved AF on the
>D90 but I'm not sure where that comes from. Be interesting to
>see the in-depth reviews.

According to Nikon the D90 has 3d tracking and has Scene Recognition like the D3/D300 does. Even though it still has 11 focus points it probably does do a better job than the D80.

http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d90/en/advanced-function/

  

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#19. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

>According to Nikon the D90 has 3d tracking and has Scene
>Recognition like the D3/D300 does. Even though it still has 11
>focus points it probably does do a better job than the D80.

Perhaps, but I didn;t find 3D tracking with the D300 all that impressive in many scenarios, e.g., small subjects, fast subjects, distant subjects, low light.

My results were noticeably better using 9 or 21 Group Dynamic options in conjunction with a dedicated AF-On button and release priority.

I just don't think we're going to see a dramatic AF difference in the real world between the D90 and its predecessor.

I'd love to be wrong on this point

-Holmes
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#13. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Simpsonville, US
          

Well after two days of competition the score is:
D80 = 4
D90 = .5 (upgrading from D40 is only .5)

Did anybody else notice that the shots/charge for the D80 is 2700 and the D90 is only 850 on the same battery. Where are the amps going?

Tim

  

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#39. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

>Well after two days of competition the score is:
>D80 = 4
>D90 = .5 (upgrading from D40 is only .5)
>
>Did anybody else notice that the shots/charge for the D80 is
>2700 and the D90 is only 850 on the same battery. Where are
>the amps going?
>
>Tim
I'm not sure how you're quantifying your results. From where do you derive the "4" and the ".5"?

  

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JoeInMiami Registered since 23rd Feb 2008Fri 29-Aug-08 12:18 AM
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#14. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Miami, US
          

I have a D80 which I purchased about a year or so. This camera was my first entry into DSLRs, I have owned and used SLRs before.

I am very happy with my D80 and I will not be incline to switch to a D90 just to gain some extra features. If I were to look at the posibility of upgrading, I woull go for a D300, in order to obtain a camera that is closer to the professional level.

I am actually saving my pennies with he idea of getting the D300.

Just my 2 cents.....


Joe

  

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sirraj Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Oct 2005Fri 29-Aug-08 02:21 PM
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#15. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Minneapolis, US
          

I agree that going from the D80 to the D90 doesn't make much sense; unless you really want movies or live view (which I don't). If I was going to upgrade, I would spend the extra money and buy a D300.

Sirraj

  

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#16. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Portage, US
          

Joe wrote:
>I am actually saving my pennies with he idea of getting the
>D300.
>
>Just my 2 cents.....

sounds like you're as far down the road in saving for a D300 as I am.


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#17. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Fri 29-Aug-08 03:46 PM by MotoMannequin

Livermore, CA, US
          

I agree 100% with Joe. IMO if you're upgrading your camera body with its own market replacement, then you're falling victim to the marketing machine. DSLR is a revolutionary field, but it seems 1-step in the upgrade cycle is more evolutionary than revolutionary. Skip a generation, or move up to the next level, or even better, do both.

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#20. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Carmel, US
          

I bought my D80 last November. It's my first DSLR and I'm lovin' it. While the higher ISO of the D90 would be nice, that and the other features are not nearly enough to make me consider spending money. It won't have a significant impact on the pictures I take.

If I'm going to drop a wad at this point, it's going to be on a lens. THAT will make a bigger difference in the pictures I take than the body I'm using.

I'll upgrade bodies when I can get a refurb D300 or better for well under $1000.

Karl Zemlin - www.sonicartistry.net
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Z06lust Registered since 24th Nov 2006Sun 31-Aug-08 09:10 PM
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#22. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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I own a D300.
I have a D90 on order-can't wait for it!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I want it for the video. For those 'dumping' on the video aspect you really need to think outside the box. You don't always have your video camcorder with you...have you spent a 90 degree August day on your feet for 10 hours walking through Rome or the back alleys of Venice (I have and do)...you will quickly find carrying a monster camera bag with multipe lenses and extra bodies (camcorder) much more trouble then its worth (let alone international airline hassles and carryon bag weight limits)--the advantage of 1 body & lens (16-85 vr, 17-55 2.8 or 18-200) and a second lens (say Sigma 30 mm 1.4 for low light interiors) to be a thing of beauty.

Last March I was in Rome...quiet evening in a small family run cafe....the owner was walking among the diners and playing his guitar..in comes a young Japanese student (early 20s) carrying a violin case. He orders dinner. Everyone is enjoying the music...soon the kid opens his case and pulls out the violin...they are 'on'-dueling guitar and violin...it was a wonderful 30 minutes...what I would have given to have had video and sound capability on my D300 at that time. I will be ready next time. The D90 will be my travel camera-the D300 will sit in the closet.

  

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Broon Registered since 17th Jul 2007Sun 31-Aug-08 09:47 PM
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#23. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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GB
          

Although I won't be upgrading my D80, you put forward an interesting argument for the requirement of video to capture *that* moment. I can indeed relate to that feeling.

I have a small 5 mega pixel Sony P&S which a believe takes excellent photographs and it's in my pocket when I feel "vulnerable" carrying my D80 looking like a tourist. It will take videos (of course not HD !) and is very little weight in my backpack along side my lenses etc.
Regrettably I can't zoom while recording etc. but it's just enough to capture *those* moments that I can incorporate into a DVD slide show for the family & friends - for me that's enough.

On a separate note, this D90 is very much pioneering the way forward with HD video on dSLR. Does anybody else feel that it may be worth waiting for the refinement of a 2nd generation of this new adventure ?
My immediate thought is the requirement for at least doubling the SD card bundle in the backpack ...... so add a $100 there for movie storage.

I've been to Rome ..... I bought a D40 the very next month, then a D80, then ............kind'of got the bug !

Cheers



Neil

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F2AS Registered since 23rd Nov 2005Mon 01-Sep-08 01:02 PM
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#25. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Washington, US
          

I think way too much was made of the D80's metering issues, fueled by a certain equipment reviewer. My god, most of us learned to meter with simple center-weighted metering and never had an issue or complaint when it came to metering. Now we have multitudes of options and we still complain when the metering isn't spot on 100% of the time. I've got the D80 and love the camera. I don't see the logic upgrading to a D90. As a D80 owner, a D300 would be a more logical choice. That way I have a smaller camera when I want to go light and to take everywhere, and a professional body for serious work or action photography. And the D300 prices should start dropping once the D90 starts selling. I can see it at $1299 very soon.

Mike

  

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Cookies35 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Apr 2007Mon 01-Sep-08 02:50 PM
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#26. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Mon 01-Sep-08 02:51 PM by Cookies35

NL
          


>I think way too much was made of the D80's metering issues,
>fueled by a certain equipment reviewer. My god, most of us
>learned to meter with simple center-weighted metering and
>never had an issue or complaint when it came to metering. Now
>we have multitudes of options and we still complain when the
>metering isn't spot on 100% of the time.

Sure the D80 has metering issues, at least in my experience. I just learned, from a post in this forum very early on, to set the EV to -0.7, and keep going. I don't agree with you that the camera isn't any less perfect than the complainers are making it out to be. But I wholeheartedly agree with you that folks will complain about something that's not 100% spot on just for the sake of ...

actually, I could fill in five or six things that immediately come to mind. I agree with you that it's far more productive to point out the "flaw" in the context of "I've noticed the camera tends to do this, and here's what works for me" (in your case, spot-metering; in mine, EV), and then just move on! And certainly not think you've got to buy the next camera that comes out on account of something that's much faster, easier, and cheaper to "fix" by turning one of the zillion easily-accessible dials on the camera you've got.

>I've got the D80 and love the camera. I don't see the logic upgrading to a D90.
>As a D80 owner, a D300 would be a more logical choice. That
>way I have a smaller camera when I want to go light and to
>take everywhere, and a professional body for serious work or
>action photography.

Just to be clear, and fair to all the newbies who might be reading and trying to sort out this issue for themselves, you don't seem to be talking about upgrading your D80 at all, are you? You seem to be talking about which camera to add to your stable. "Upgrade" implies for many buying a new camera and selling the old one, which would lead a newbie to think "If I've got the money, it would be better just to buy the new one then." Starting with one camera body and ending up with two, well that's a whole different kettle of fish. If I had a D300 to use whenever I need the updated capabilities, then it's a very different set of issues to think about whether I want my "just for traipsing around" camera also to be the latest-and-the-up-to-datest, or whether it would make more sense to put that money elsewhere.

Don't ya think?

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Tony_Jeffree Registered since 13th Oct 2004Mon 01-Sep-08 03:26 PM
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#27. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Manchester, GB
          

>Sure the D80 has metering issues, at least in my experience. I
>just learned, from a post in this forum very early on, to set
>the EV to -0.7, and keep going.

...and that's nothing new - I learnt early on that I needed to do that with my D70. As you rightly say, its no biggie - you just dial in the compensation and get over it.

>Just to be clear, and fair to all the newbies who might be
>reading and trying to sort out this issue for themselves, you
>don't seem to be talking about upgrading your D80 at all, are
>you? You seem to be talking about which camera to add to your
>stable. "Upgrade" implies for many buying a new
>camera and selling the old one, which would lead a newbie to
>think "If I've got the money, it would be better just to
>buy the new one then." Starting with one camera body and
>ending up with two, well that's a whole different kettle of
>fish. If I had a D300 to use whenever I need the updated
>capabilities, then it's a very different set of issues to
>think about whether I want my "just for traipsing
>around" camera also to be the
>latest-and-the-up-to-datest, or whether it would make more
>sense to put that money elsewhere.
>
>Don't ya think?

Maybe...except that as is the way with rapidly developing technology, the value of the old model is so low that it is often not worth selling it vs keeping it for its virtues as a backup or a second "lightweight" camera. I hate to break it to you, but your D80 (and even more so, my D70) is a rapidly depreciating asset - probably similar depreciation rate to a car

At least lenses seem to hold their value rather better - buy used and they hold their value really well

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Tony

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Holmes375 Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Sep 2006Mon 01-Sep-08 03:33 PM
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#28. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

y,all are tryin' to apply logic and rationality to NAS

Silly rabbits!

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4whitakers Registered since 31st Aug 2008Mon 01-Sep-08 07:23 PM
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#29. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Mon 01-Sep-08 07:24 PM by 4whitakers

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I have a D50. I resisted the temptation to upgrade to the D80 when that came out, but the D90 blows the doors off of my D50. I guess it is time.

If I had a D80 which is a terrific camera, I am not sure I would upgrade. Of course NAS is a factor. It generally gets worse as time goes by...the camera has only been around for a few days...so NAS is just starting to kick in.

  

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Cookies35 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Apr 2007Mon 01-Sep-08 08:56 PM
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#30. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Mon 01-Sep-08 08:57 PM by Cookies35

NL
          


>Maybe...except that as is the way with rapidly developing
>technology, the value of the old model is so low that it is
>often not worth selling it vs keeping it for its virtues as a
>backup or a second "lightweight" camera. I hate to
>break it to you, but your D80 (and even more so, my D70) is a
>rapidly depreciating asset - probably similar depreciation
>rate to a car

Again, I'm trying to keep our (the non-newbies to the forum and/or to photography) posts clear, so that newbies who have no personal experience with which to put our posts in the proper context (the situation I was in a year ago) can understand what we're talking about (which I often didn't, I discovered over time to my own sorrow), and make good decisions for their own situation.

My D80 is worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $600 in the Want to Sell forum these days, and more than that if I throw in the 18-70mm which came with it (which I plan to do). That's Real Money. A lot of people making their first purchase, and even many people considering an upgrade, can't afford to buy a new camera without the $600+ that selling the old one will bring them. A lot of things have great virtue, but that doesn't mean I can afford to take advantage of whatever virtues they might have.

>At least lenses seem to hold their value rather better - buy
>used and they hold their value really well

I agree, particularly in the long run. But in the short run the cameras sell for a pretty good piece of change as well until their replacement shows up.

Which reminds me, I seriously need to get a move on selling my D80 ...


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brooksro Silver Member Nikonian since 25th Aug 2007Tue 02-Sep-08 03:05 PM
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#31. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

Anyone know if you can capture one frame from a video clip and if so, what will the quality be?

MrB

  

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#35. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Memphis, US
          

According to the Nikon video (link posted by LaDonna above) the D90 apparently allows for the taking of single images while in the video mode. No clue as to the image quality compared to non-video format though. Presumably the IQ would be better than the High Def video images, but I cannot imagine being able to have much control over this function in the real world. Even so, the merger of video and still is fascinating - even if it is in its birthing stage of evolution. I have not seriously considered upgrading from my D80 as yet. My primary interest in "my" next body is the higher ISO image quality (e.g. lower noise levels) simply because the type of photography I shoot is primarily available light street and candid portrait stuff. If the D90 turns out to be at least very close to the D300 in this area, then I might be interested, and the combination of lower price for the D90 and the "luxury" of having video ability might make the difffernece.

Jeff

  

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fugufish Registered since 07th Jan 2007Tue 02-Sep-08 04:44 PM
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#33. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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D80 3D matrix metering was/is a lot more work than just setting -.7 EV EC. To me it was not being able to trust the camera to expose correctly for a quick or candid shot. Yes, I could get the exposure correct on static shots using - EV or CW/spot metering but it was just a constant bother fiddling with exposure all the time. Hopefully, the D90 metering is more consistent and that alone is worth the $200-300 it will cost to upgrade. Of course, the self cleaning sensor, better display and other improvements sweeten the deal even more.

  

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nanite Registered since 26th Mar 2008Tue 02-Sep-08 05:07 PM
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#34. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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CA
          

i agree with u about the video feature being underrated, i fully intend on using it for those exact moments u mentioned. i'm not in any way delusional in thinking that the video feature replaces a camcorder, but i am not big on taking video, and the video i do take i don't care about the quality or whatever limitations, so this feature is a very nice-to-have feature in case u want to capture some live action like the moment u experienced

  

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lispott Registered since 02nd Sep 2008Fri 05-Sep-08 03:52 AM
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#49. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

If you get to travel like that, you definetly need that camera.

Lisa

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AnnaB Registered since 09th Nov 2006Fri 05-Sep-08 11:34 AM
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#50. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Ignacio, US
          

Good Morning everyone,

Just spoke to my local photography shop yesterday. Here is what I heard. Their Nikon representative said September 14 for ship date. Also he had not heard the rumor that Nikon will be shipping kits first and bodies later. "My rep never mentioned that." So who knows. So, now I have in worked out with him that I will get the kit if that is all that is released first (only one person on that waiting list and the shop ordered four) or I will get the body only if they release at the same time (three people on that waiting list, and the shop ordered four--but I am first on that list). I make another payment today. Money talks . . .

I was looking at a kit in the beginning, but then my husband started making noise about the cost of the lens. Yesterday he says "well, the lens would be nice to have . . . " Men!

The videos I have seen that have been taken with the D90 are awesome. I can't wait to see how I do with them, probably not so awesome in the beginning. I am taking back my tripod with pistol grip from my husband.

Also, I am going to have to upgrade to a silver, just so I can post pictures.

Last, what does NAS mean? I have shot the D70 for about 2.5 years, but have not been on the forums, so I am out of the loop here. I infer that it is some sort of addiction to Nikon and Nikon upgrades? Nikon addiction syndrome? Oh, my husband says it is Nikon acquisition syndrome. Now I understand. He said I have this right now, wanting the D90. Of course, he has this addiction in spades, I only need a hit now and then.

Later

AnnaB

  

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AnnaB Registered since 09th Nov 2006Sat 06-Sep-08 12:05 PM
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#52. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Ignacio, US
          

Hi,

I spoke to the camera shop again today when I went to make my payment. They had two shipped to them on Thursday, but they won't arrive here until sometime next week. Kits only were shipped. Then this morning (Saturday) a gentleman in Houston posted that he has already bought one from Best Buy--with a 12% discount coupon no less.

I am amazed to see how the dates change so rapidly, on Thurs. I was told the 14th, by Fri. kits had been shipped and a person already had one. I think this is why I don't post often, I can't deal with this type of suspense very well.

Later

AnnaB

  

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Mango Killah Registered since 22nd Oct 2007Wed 03-Sep-08 03:49 AM
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#36. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Los Angeles, US
          

I 'm sorry, but I just drooled all over m'self after watching that video (amatuer!!!) Oh lawd what sexy marketing! Loved it! Will upgrade from my trusty D50 in the coming months.

  

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NKerns Registered since 03rd Jul 2007Wed 03-Sep-08 10:16 PM
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#38. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Dallas, US
          

I have a D80, and I simply can't WAIT to get a D90? Why?

The sensor: The low-noise images from the D90 (if it's like the D300) simply blow the D80 away. I shoot at night almost exclusively, and the CCD Nikons are some of the worst D-SLRs you can get for that purpose. The CMOS sensor and the EXPEED processor with active D-lighting are reason enough all by themselves to upgrade, for me at least.

And as the first poster said, yeah a D80-to-D90 upgrade isn't gonna make anyone Ansel Adams, but that's not really the point of the upgrade is it? No camera can compensate for poor or lacking basic photographic skills; I know lots of below-average to mediocre photographers running around with Canon 5Ds and Nikon D300s who simply don't know how to conceive and compose a workable image, and there's nothing a camera can do for poor compo or subject choice.

The reason to upgrade is to help a good photographer produce even better quality images by giving him more and better quality tools with which to produce them.

There's a saying in the game of golf when high-handicappers are always spending thousands of dollars on the latest, greatest equipment...and still shooting in the 100's; "You can't buy a game"...and the same is true in photography.

Noel
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4whitakers Registered since 31st Aug 2008Thu 04-Sep-08 01:22 AM
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#40. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Thu 04-Sep-08 01:26 AM by 4whitakers

US
          

If you go to the following link you can compare images between the D90 and the camera of choice, i.e. D80, D200, D300. Select the images at various ISOs. You have to click the image a couple of times to get the maximum magnification.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

Based on a quick look the D90 is at least 1 full stop better than the D200. Probably closer to two stops. Also, the D90 actually looks slightly better than the D300. I guess they have a year to play around with the built in noise reduction software so this isn't surprising. Note: Just my opinion based on my poor eye sight. Results may vary.

It will be interesting in the coming weeks to hear the reviews, but based on a quick look this is going to be a great camera.


  

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Cookies35 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Apr 2007Thu 04-Sep-08 01:55 AM
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#41. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Thu 04-Sep-08 01:59 AM by Cookies35

NL
          

Thanks for this link!

Just a tip for those who are as slow as I am:

the D90 has 12.3MP, and the D200 (for example) has only 10.2. The author didn't crop or resize the D90 pix to make the file sizes match, or scale the viewing windows to make them appear to match. This means that you can't just scroll the same amount in both windows and automatically get to the corresponding spot in both pictures, and sometimes it might even look like you're not looking at the same set-up (if, for example, the diagonal lines seem to be at different angles in the napkins pic). But I think it's the file sizes doing that, not the integrity of the author's set-up. Just to let you know something that took me some messing about to figure out. I guess my brain is really begging for sleep, so I'm over and out. But have fun with this!

(oh yeah, and the D90 doesn't yet seem to have as many pix posted yet, so no need to keep looking for them.)

'Night night!

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#42. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Thu 04-Sep-08 05:09 AM by gunfighter48

Seattle, US
          

The D90 will appeal to a lot of people such as me. I've used film for over 40 years and just went digital. I bought a D60 kit and upgraded my lenses to a 16-85VR and 70-300VR. The D60 fit my budget and takes great pictures with the upgraded lenses. It has enough features to keep me busy for the next year or two and will make a great second body.

When I upgrade it will most likely be to a D90 and not because of the video capability! The price is right(and will come down some) and the higher ISO with lower noise will win me over. The features brought down from the D3/D300 make it a very worth while upgrade from the D60. There are a lot of us D40/D50/D60 owners that will be looking to upgrade. The D90 offers enough features over the D80 to make it the next logical step up. Now I just have to save up the purchase price!

Of course if a D80 comes my way at a great price, new or used, my NAS will be too strong for my willpower and I'll probably buy one! Hopefully I can hold out for the D90.

gunfighter48
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Cookies35 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Apr 2007Thu 04-Sep-08 10:40 AM
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#43. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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Thu 04-Sep-08 10:43 AM by Cookies35

NL
          

>When I upgrade it will most likely be to a D90 and not because
>of the video capability! The price is right(and will come down
>some) and the higher ISO with lower noise will win me over.
>The features brought down from the D3/D300 make it a very
>worth while upgrade from the D60. There are a lot of us
>D40/D50/D60 owners that will be looking to upgrade. The D90
>offers enough features over the D80 to make it the next
>logical step up.

You are, of course, absolutely right. In all the fuss it's easy to forget that the D80 was overdue for a make-over. The D90 is precisely what many of us in the clearer light of waiting claim to have been waiting for: a D80, but then up-to-date.

It's just as easy to forget that, some of our sensibilities aside, video does not make the D90 a worse SLR than the D80. So all the stuff that we've been praising about the D80, we can now simply transfer to the D90, and it is still just as true. Well spotted, and thanks for pointing this out to the more affronted of us. If there is indeed a score card, if you put the two cameras side by side, then (blue book value aside; that would be comparing apples and oranges) the D90 certainly can't lose in this comparison.

>Of course if a D80 comes my way at a great price, new or used ...
There's a D80 in the Want to Sell forum that couldn't fetch $475 for a week. It seems to have sold today (finally!) for $450.

Just how low are you expecting the price of this camera to go?

--LaDonna, who clearly waited a couple months too long to sell her D80

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plastic_avatar Registered since 01st Sep 2008Thu 04-Sep-08 05:13 PM
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#44. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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US
          

Main reason I (and I suspect many others) are upgrading from the D40/D80 series: Noise.

I've been happily chugging along with the D70 as my main camera -for fun and pay gigs- the past 3.5 years. 'Best decision I made when going digital was to buy refurb bodies, and get the best lenses I could afford (used and new) with the money I had left.

The last wedding I did had terrible lighting. Much, much darker than I'm used to. The D70 just didn't hold up. My helper had his D40, and I opted to swap him during the low-light portion and go MF with my 80-200 because his cam had cleaner output at high ISOs.

My clients are pleased with the results from ye olde 6MP senors, but I don't want to have *my* product suffer because of another low-light situation like the last one (yes, I use noise-reduction software and Capture). Since this is a side gig for me, I'm opting to upgrade to the D90 over a D300. I figure a lot of people will feel the same- $1k for a D90 + a great $600 lens makes more practical sense than just a D300 body.

<side rant>

Wish I'd taken advantage of Microsoft's LiveSearch promo earlier this week. Could've gotten a D300 from J&R for 15% off. Kicking myself for missing that. $1380 for a D300 body is a little easier to justify (for me).

<sigh>

Anyhow. Low-light capability. It's the absolute #1 reason I'll be upgrading to a D90.

It's insurance against trouble shots, and will allow me to use lenses I might otherwise keep in the bag 'cause they're not in the 1.4 to 2.8 f-stop range (and I use those lenses wide open more than I'd like to admit, but most of the churches I deal with won't allow flash during any of the ceremony).

Wow, long post just to say "High ISO = deal for me."

=P

Oh, and the video part? That's awesome and I'm sure I'll use it... but the most exciting thing it represents (to me) is where DSLRs of the future are headed =)

Now, if Nikon could integrate a little of the Casio high-speed magic in to the next body with video...

It's gonna be a fun ride!

  

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Cookies35 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Apr 2007Thu 04-Sep-08 07:18 PM
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#45. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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>$1380 for a D300 body is
>a little easier to justify (for me).

They're less than that now, from Cameta — an authorized Nikon dealer — on eBay (the auctions)! I wouldn't be surprised if they go even lower by the end of the month when the D90's start showing up in stores.

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#47. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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>They're less than that now, from Cameta — an
>authorized Nikon dealer — on eBay (the auctions)!

This was a new cam via LiveSearch (with the 15% Microsoft promo discount).

My friend bought her 10D 3 years ago from Cameta. She was really pleased.

I wouldn't turn my nose up at a refurb for $1400... but the D90 is still looking pretty good for my purposes right now.

Do I need the D300 to do my job? No.

Do I want one? Oh yes.

Will I settle for the Junior model? Yeah, I guess so... unless, as you prophecize, refurb/used D300's dip even lower =)

<amen>

  

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James23p Moderator Awarded for his wide variety of skills, a true generalist both in film and digital photography Nikonian since 25th Apr 2004Fri 05-Sep-08 12:16 AM
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#46. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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I never seem to be on the cutting edge. I got a D80 after it had been out awhile and now I added a D200 yes a D200. For me the introduction of the D300/D90 etc did not make the previous DSLRs bad just improved some areas but to be honest the D80 never held me back except metering with my MF nikkors so I fixed that with a D200. I am set until the D400 comes out then I may buy a D300, yes behind as usual but this is comming from a guy whose main camera is a FM3a/FE2's.

All that said the D90 is a winner in every aspect and has really raised the bar on the under $1000 high end consumer camera market. Nikon has really made some super cameras and I hope they continue so I can get bargins on the last generation of super cameras.

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glennaa11 Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Fri 05-Sep-08 07:48 PM
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#51. "RE: D80 Vs, D90 - Let the games begin"
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yeah, if you don't mind using the older technology there are definitely great deals to be had. I was at my local camera shop this morning. They will start getting their D90's in next week so the D80 is at a superbargain price. $600 body only.

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