AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ???
Maybe you guys can clear up a question I have about this lens, the question being whether the focal distance of this lens is magnified further when mounted on the D70? Is it 18-70mm on my F100 and 27-105mm on a D70? Or is this lens made to be 18-70mm on the Digital D70? Thanks guys.
Anthony from Brooklyn
Anthony from Brooklyn
#2. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 0Tue 24-Feb-04 05:40 AM
The focal length numbers for Nikkor lenses continue to all be relative to the 35mm format... so yes, the AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED will have the same field of view as a 27-105mm on any DX-series camera.
#3. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 2StevenVW Registered since 20th Aug 2002Tue 24-Feb-04 08:54 AM
I think there really should be some understanding and conformity regarding the lens-nomenclature. The reason they still put on 35mm equivalents on digital-only lenses probably is because the same lens (Sigma, Tamron, ...) can be applied to a lot of cameras, all with different size sensors and thus different crop factors.
just my thought...
#4. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 0
On a related note, can DX lenses be used on traditional F-mount film cameras like F80, F100?
My gut feeling tells me no ... because traditional wideangles are extremely expensive but DX "wide angle" lenses are fairly "affordable".
#5. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 4Tue 24-Feb-04 04:33 PM
The strict answer is no because DX lenses have a smaller image circle than normal F-mount lenses.
Since the DX sensor is smaller than a frame of 35mm film, a significant portion of the image created from a traditional lens falls outside of the sensor. To take "advantage" of this, Nikon designed the DX lenses with a smaller image circle to match the DX-sized sensor.
The upshot of this is that DX lenses are supposed to be lighter and smaller than their traditional counterparts, i.e. less expensive to produce. The downside is that DX lenses, in general, are not compatible with non-DX camera bodies, though in practice some people have had some success mounting the AF-S DX 12-24mm f/4G, albeit with a limited focal length range.
#6. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 5Tue 24-Feb-04 10:18 PM
Wow, so its marked 18-70mm, but it can not be used as a 18-70mm lens on a film Nikon or any Nikon for that matter? Hmmmm, that sort of makes things different.
I was thinking about getting the D70, because it sounded like a Digital SLR under $1,000.00 that I could use my lenses and flash on. After a closer look, D70+18-70mm lens = $1,400.00+tx, + SB800 to obtain iTTL = $360.00+tx, another DX lens to be able to shoot Wide angle for God knows how much plus the cost of at least 1 Compact Flashcard to get started.
Am I missing anything? It just seems as if the costs keep mounting up. I have been enjoying SLR photography the last few years and I think the only jump I'll be making to digital anytime soon is when I buy a Film Scanner.
I know a lot of people are eager to try and even buy this camera but I am finding it difficult to justify spending close to or over $2.000.00 for a camera that hasnt even been used and or reviewed by many. For that kind of money I could have a beautiful (proven) F5 and I would know what I was getting.
I hope for everybody that buys this camera that it lives up to its specs and turns out to be the best camera they ever had. I'll wait until I read a review that says as much before I plop down that much dough. See you guys in a few years. Good luck.
Anthony from Brooklyn
Anthony from Brooklyn
#7. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 6stev32k Registered since 27th Dec 2003Wed 25-Feb-04 01:34 AM
I agree with you Anthony. I want a digital camera real bad, but cannot justify the cost. Then with a digital my 20mm,f2.8D lens becomes a 30mm in terms of angle of view.
I've decided to buy a good scanner, maybe 4,000 dpi and continue to use my N90s, and maybe buy a used F100. That seems to be the best of both worlds.
Maybe in a couple of years Nikon( fuji or Kodak) will come out with a 24 X 36 CCD sensor at a reasonable price. Then I will go digital.
#13. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 6Thu 26-Feb-04 02:46 AM
In a nutshell, the current state of affairs in digital photography as a whole is that wide angle is going to cost you. It'll either cost you in the lens or in the body (Nikkor AF-S DX 12-24mm f/4G or a full-frame Kodak).
Either way, it's an arm and a leg to get those nice wide shots and unfortunately, if you're unwilling to pony up the cash for the super-wide lens or the mucho-moola body, then digital SLR photography is not for you (at least not yet). That being said, depending on the type of photography you do, you may never need a wide-angle lens and would appreciate the 1.5x multiplier.
As the prices adding up, you're right on the money. The up-front costs are MUCH higher than film-based photography. The question is, how much are you willing to pay for the instant gratification of digital and do you think you'll save money in the long run by not having to buy film and pay for processing?
Digital point-and-shoot photography is for the masses but digital SLR photography is still outside the financial means of many photographers, even with the "breakthrough" D70 pricing.
#8. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 0
I'm not being a pedant but my background is as a physicist. The reason they are still giving the focal length in the 'equivalent' of 35mm and, if you think about it, medium and large format is because it is a physical property of the lens that cannot be altered by the size of whatever is recording the image. The focal length is simply the distance between the lens and the image when the source is at infinity (slightly more complicated in real life but close enough). All you are doing by changing the size of the detector is cropping the image to a greater or lesser extent. This is why talking about focal length multipliers is confusing. We should talk about crop factors.
#9. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 8Wed 25-Feb-04 12:32 PM
What you are saying is right, yet don't you think any Camera manufacturer should be responsible enough to let you know what perspective you are getting with a lens when it comes as part of a kit with a particular camera? They should have the 18-70mm mention in the specs and let people know that the lens is going to give them a 27-105mm focal length. I mean, isnt this camera supposed to be aimed at consumers and not professionals who already understand all this? Before I understood this, I planned to sell my 18-35 Nikkor to fund an SB-800 because I thought I could also use the 18-70mm lens on my F100. I bought my sb-80dx thinkin it would be compatible with all future digital cameras as well, I mean isnt that what Nikon told us? I plopped down a lot of money to find out in less than a year that it doesnt support iTTL. Great. As it stands, I would still have to buy a SB-800 or 600, this 18-70mm lens and still yet another lens to get a wide angle. The least camera manufacturers could do is be straight and help its consumers to understand everything instead of making us have to buy things over and over again. I for one think Nikon should upgrade people with SB-80dx's who bought them so they had a flash that was digital compatible.
Anthony from Brooklyn
Anthony from Brooklyn
#10. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 9Covey22 Charter MemberWed 25-Feb-04 05:13 PM
As much as I hate to admit it - I've sunk a lot of money into D1/D100 compatible accessories (namely flashes) only to have it all obseleted by the D2/D70 generation. This is, however, the price of progress - eventually everything we buy that is technologically complex will end up by the wayside. However, I agree with the crowd that it is the speed with which the obsolescence occurs is really the cause of the most pain. No one expected that all the DX technology would be rendered incompatible with the new generation of cameras so soon. The good news is that the DX flashes work quite well with film cameras, so I'm not in a hurry to replace them all so soon. I'm thinking of swapping out my SB50 for an SB600 though, it's nice that Nikon could finally match up with Canon's 550/420 setup - so by hook or by crook, I'll make it into iTTL land. Now for a camera that actually understands it...hmm...that'll be a few more years off...
#11. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 9Wed 25-Feb-04 07:35 PM
I agree with you to some extent. I think that Nikon have been totally upfront in saying that the DX series of lenses cannot be used on film cameras and that the 18-70 will give the equivalent of 27-105 in 35mm terms on the D70. I would consider a manufacturer who put 27-105 on this lens to be more deceiving as it isn't a 27-105mm focal length lens. Also, in my opinion Nikon have done a lot better than for example C***n as they have kept the sensor size consistent throughout their DSLR range and so all lenses perform the same on all Nikon DSLRs. The flash is a big issue. However most people who buy the D70 will not have owned a DSLR before so it will require them to buy a new flash but this also happened to everyone who bought a D1/D1H/D1X/D100 as they had to buy the DX flashes. The people who really lose out are those who already bought into the DX flashes and now have to get an i-TTL flash.
I for one am saving up for the D70 and by the time I have the next model will probably be out
#12. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 8
The most confusing aspect of lens nomenclature is that, with the mainstreaming of sensors aside from 36mm x 34mm, specifications such as "5.8-24mm" on the Coolpix 5400's lens don't mean all that much to me. (You'd have to say 28-116mm in 35mm-equivalent to make me understand.)
What if we started giving lens specifications in degrees of view rather than in focal lengths? As in 84 degrees vs. 24mm? Would that solve our problem or is there a flaw to this method of naming?
#14. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 12Covey22 Charter MemberThu 26-Feb-04 03:15 AM
I agree that FOV notations would certainly lend a more consistent approach to labeling lenses. However, the average photographer probably doesn't think too much in that particular vein when judging lens specifications. Again, it's a matter of what is the most commonly known knowledge - it mostly falls to 35mm based focal length and aperture when you're talking about optics.
#15. "RE: AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED lens ?" | In response to Reply # 12Thu 26-Feb-04 09:39 AM
I agree that 5.8-24mm on the Coolpix 5400 is pretty meaningless to most people. I think that for the average consumer so would the numbers 28-116mm. As 35mm was the most widely used form of compact camera pre-digital it would make sense to talk about a camera in terms of its 35mm equivalent (which of course most do). It would be just plain wrong to put this on the lens however.
Again, FOV is not a number defined by the manufacture of the lens. It would be fine in single lens cameras but for a changeable lens the focal length is the only definable characteristic of the lens. A 300mm lens has a certain field of view on a F100. On a D70 this would have the smae field of view as a 600mm lens on the F100 so which would you put on the lens? We'll just have to get used to what lens gives us what view on a new camera and try and forget 35mm.