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JMWarren Registered since 24th Jun 2002Tue 10-Feb-04 05:17 PM
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"Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"


Mississauga/London, CA
          

Looks like the D70 view finders is gonna be pretty similar to that of the F80. Now can we trust the manual?



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Sausades Registered since 17th Mar 2003Tue 10-Feb-04 07:04 PM
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#1. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Gdynia, PL
          

Sure. New pdf brochure on Nikon`a website confirms it too.
D70 have pentaprism vievfinder, not penta-mirror.



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norayr Registered since 31st Jan 2004Sun 29-Feb-04 09:33 AM
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Vienna, AT
          

According to "Henry Goh" on DPreview Nikon SLR Forum,
who bought D70, the viewfinder of D70 is even slightly BRIGHTER than
that of D100!!! This confirms my what I have heard in other places, that the viewinder of D70 is really not an issue... At least one good news
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norayr Registered since 31st Jan 2004Tue 10-Feb-04 10:45 PM
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Vienna, AT
          

I have just checked:
The manual and the broshure that confirm Pentaprism are downloadable from the European ftp and website of nikon,
while on the NikonUSA.com in technical specifications it is writen:
"Viewfinder: Fixed-eyelevel penta-Dach-mirror type; built-in diopter adjustment (-1.6 to +0.5 m -1)".
Seems like it might be that European version comes vith Pentaprism and US version with "penta-Dach-mirror type" ???
After all the price in europe is listed 1.099 EVRO, which is about 1,395 US Dollar ?!

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reo4503 Registered since 28th Feb 2004Sat 28-Feb-04 05:06 PM
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#3. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Page 201 of the printed manual that comes with my D70 says Viewfinder: Optical fixed pentaprism. Hope that helps.

  

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#4. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Nampa, US
          

I assume this means the view finder on the D70 will be on the dim side??????

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vchong Basic MemberSat 28-Feb-04 06:19 PM
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#5. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Victoria, CA
          

No, no... penta-prism is the good one! Penta-mirror is the one with less optical efficiency.

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zinfella Registered since 25th Feb 2004Sat 28-Feb-04 09:44 PM
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#6. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Mesa, US
          

Nikon is NOTORIOUS for errors in the text of nearly any writings that they produce. I would not bet the farm on ANY spec from Nikon, even if it is printed in the manual.

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Static Wave Photo Registered since 03rd Jul 2003Wed 03-Mar-04 06:22 PM
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#8. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Just talked to a Nikon Canada rep. The D70 has a pentaMIRROR, just like what the website claims. That aside, from when I got to play with the camera it seemed just as bright as my F80 with a simular lens.

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#9. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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So. Bristol, US
          


Well, the N-75 has a mirror prism, and its
reputation is pretty good re brightness.

The only caveat is mirror prisms are a good bit
more delicate that single all - glass units.


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Rally Registered since 31st Jan 2004Tue 16-Mar-04 08:21 AM
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#10. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Auckland, NZ
          

OK now some people have got their hands on the D70.

Does it have a PentaPRISM or PentaMirror?

Can anyone give a definitive answer?

Thanks
Peter

  

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#12. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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US
          

The N75's mirror prism is brighter (and I owned one) most likely because it doesn't have the other overlays that the N80/D100/D70 have to enable gridlines on demand. But I agree, it is very bright for a pentamirror prism.

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#16. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Victoria, CA
          

Actually, the F75 does have an overlay. Instead of the grid-like overlay they overlay the film transport icon to show when you've reached the end (or the beginning, technically, heh heh) of the roll.

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#11. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Winnipeg, CA
          

Does this mean that all of you expecting a pentaPRISM will return your new D70's (or cancel your pre-orders) when you discover that its a pentaMIRROR ??

Reality Check --- its gonna be a GREAT Camera, regardless of what Nikon has put under the hood!

  

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Rally Registered since 31st Jan 2004Tue 16-Mar-04 07:10 PM
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#13. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Auckland, NZ
          

No not at all. Information on comparable brightness is good. I have played with one briefly in a shop here and looked OK to me.

All I wanted to know is what type it really was.

Sort of like some one telling you a car has 300HP and then asking is it a 4 cylinder turbo or a V8 under the bonnet. May not be especially relevant but nice to know for those interested.

Cheers
Peter

  

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#14. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Orlando, US
          

It is exactly like Peter/Rally mentioned. It is not about we will return or keep the item when the viewfinder is not Prism. It is about knowing the equipment well both up and down sides. When you master and know your tool well, you then can achieve all best things in photography. Not only that, it is also about what Nikon printed, said, or promised. If they said it is Gold but it turned out to be Silver due to a mistyped (and this is not just one mistyped. It is mistyped in both brochure and manual), they got to look at their Documentation/Packaging department to make sure they correctly set customers' expectation upon delivering the products. It is about helping them making improvements and be the best of all. Noone or nothing is perfect at first. But things can be perfect with time and effort. And we are, as the Nikonian User "Effort" Group, here for. Imagine if Nikon got about 1000 picky customers like me calling them asking about what the manual said and what they got in hand, how much do you think Nikon will have to loose in term of 800 telephone cost and customer relations The world is full of competitions. We got to be always at best to be the best of the best.

Sorry for talking too much. Just try to make thing right..heheheheh.

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#15. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Mesa, US
          

>Does this mean that all of you expecting a pentaPRISM will
>return your new D70's (or cancel your pre-orders) when you
>discover that its a pentaMIRROR ??
>
>Reality Check --- its gonna be a GREAT Camera, regardless of
>what Nikon has put under the hood!

Well, changing to a faster ISO allows the use of slower lenses on the D70, an improvement over film cameras . BUT, it doesn't make the viewfinder bright when one is shooting at f/5.6, or beyond, the light is fading, and the viewfinder is not first rate. Whatever else one may expect on the D70, for the $1000.00 selling price, the viewfinder should be surperb. The last place to cut costs is to negatively effect the ability of a photographer to adequately see his subject. JMO.

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#17. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Victoria, CA
          

The D70 is a feature-laden, high-resolution 6.1MP digital SLR with advanced electronics. For $1000, we're probably just paying for the electronics themselves; Nikon is practically throwing in the "carrying case" for free.

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#18. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Mesa, US
          

>The D70 is a feature-laden, high-resolution 6.1MP digital
>SLR with advanced electronics. For $1000, we're probably
>just paying for the electronics themselves; Nikon is
>practically throwing in the "carrying case" for free.

Yes, it is feature laden. And no, it does not have great viewfinder. Folks will have to make their own decision as to what is important to them. But, we should look at the positives AND the negatives, prior to making claims as to it's versatility.

Carl

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#19. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Auckland, NZ
          

>And no, it does not have great viewfinder.

Do you have a D70?
What is bad about the viewfinder?
Is it a prism or mirror type?

Cheers
Peter

  

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#20. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Mesa, US
          

>>And no, it does not have great viewfinder.
>
>Do you have a D70?
>What is bad about the viewfinder?
>Is it a prism or mirror type?
>
>Cheers
>Peter

No Peter, I don't have a D70, and the viewfinder is the reason that I'm not buying one. I want a bright viewfinder, that can aid in low light shots. Slow lenses, or using small apertures, and less than than optimum viewfinders combine to prevent manual focusing in all but good light. If you can't see the subject, it not easy to shoot it. For those shooting in good light, perhaps the D70 viewfinder is all they require. But, check out the F5, F3, D2H, etc., and you will see what a good viewfinder is all about.

The D70, in a recent review, has been said to have a viewfinder equal in quality to an N80.

Carl

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#23. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Auckland, NZ
          

Rats, I was hopping you had one and could finally answer once and for all as to what type of viewfinder it had.

I will have to have to try and find one of the other cameras you mention to see the difference as I have not had opportunity to look through any of these cameras.

Cheers
Peter

  

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#24. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Mesa, US
          

>Rats, I was hopping you had one and could finally answer
>once and for all as to what type of viewfinder it had.
>
>I will have to have to try and find one of the other cameras
>you mention to see the difference as I have not had
>opportunity to look through any of these cameras.
>
>Cheers
>Peter

Indeed, if you can try out, perhaps rent a camera with a good viewfinder, it may save you from a purchase that you will regret. Try it in less than perfect light. Try it at small apertures, in less than good light. If the D70 works for you as it is, then it's a camera for you. It is a leap froward in digital technology. But, it is not a D2H. )

Carl

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#21. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Lisbon, PT
          

the manual we are all downloading now from nikon europe official site mentions:

"Fixed-eyelevel penta-Dach-mirror type" - page 201.

bio_nikon

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Rally Registered since 31st Jan 2004Fri 19-Mar-04 11:53 PM
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#22. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Auckland, NZ
          

The webpage at http://www.nikon.com.sg/ state

"VIEWFINDER
Optical-type fixed pentaprism; Built-in diopter adjustment (-1.6 to +0.5 m-1), Eyepiece shutter provided "

But the pdf brochure from the same site on page 9 states

"Fixed-eyelevel penta-Dach-mirror type; built-in diopter adjustment (-1.6 to +0.5 m-1)"

Page 1 of the brochure at http://www.nikon-d70.nl/uk/ states

"Optical fixed pentaprism; Built-in diopter adjustment (-1.6 to +0.5 m-1)"

The technical specs page at http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2&productNr=25214 states

"Viewfinder: Fixed-eyelevel penta-Dach-mirror type; built-in diopter adjustment (-1.6 to +0.5 m -1)"

page 1 of brochure at http://www.europe-nikon.com/uploads/ngb/Brochures/GB/D70_Brochure.pdf states

"Optical fixed pentaprism; Built-in diopter adjustment (-1.6 to +0.5 m-1)"

So which information from Nikon are we to believe?
It should not be this hard to get a definitive answer to a simple question.

  

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#25. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Victoria, CA
          

All right. If I had to bet money, I'd say it's "Fixed eyelevel penda-Dach-mirror type". Why? I just compared the specifications from the "leaked" manual and the official rev. 2 manual that is on the Nikon Euro website. Rev. 1 says "Optical fixed pentaprism" and Rev. 2 says "Fixed eyelevel penda-Dach-mirror type".

It would be foolish for Nikon to make an effort and change a specification from correct to incorrect don't you think?

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#26. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Auckland, NZ
          

>It would be foolish for Nikon to make an effort and change a
>specification from correct to incorrect don't you think?

Hmmm... Seems a reasonable argument. I will go with that

Thanks
Peter

  

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#27. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Auckland, NZ
          

Well it seemed reasonable until I read this thread

http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID86/334.html

But looks like it will be cleared up once and for all according to Bjørn's post.

I will not be holding my breath though!

Cheers
Peter

  

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#28. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Well, to end the confusion, I though I'd go to the source and I fired-off an Email to Nikon tech support.



My Question:

There seems to be some confusion about the nature of the viewfinder on the USA Nikon D70.
Some say it's a Pentaprism type while others claim it to be Penta-mirror or "Penta-Dach-mirror" type.

Could you please confirm the type of viewfinder in the USA Nikon D70?

Thanks,
Roger



Nikons answer:

Hi Roger,

The D70 is the Penta Mirror. I hope this answers your question.

Again, Thank you

The Nikon Team and Me, HELEN

  

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#29. "RE: Manual Specs Confirm PentaPRISM"
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Mesa, US
          

Bjørn Rørslett said that he was present when the D70 was dismantled, and it definitely has a pentaprism viewfinder, not a mirror. I don't know whom from Nikon answered your inquiry, but I have more trust in Bjørn Rørslett than some no name from Nikon. After all, Nikon has a poor track record with regard to correct written info concerning their equipment. Not that it's all wrong, but well known to contain errors. Thier own web site lists the D70 as has both types of viewfinder, hardly correct information.

Carl

A Mesa, Arizona Nikonian

  

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