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Teru Registered since 07th Jan 2006Sat 02-Sep-06 02:52 PM
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"Nikon D80 - ISO Performace samples (large images)"


HK
          

Picked up my D80 this afternoon.

All images straight from the camera, default settings, JPEG Fine. Files with "-crop" indicates a 100% crop of the full sized file. All other files resized using Irfan View 3.98.

More at: http://www.fotop.net/teruphoto/D80

Indoors

ISO1600
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Indoors_DSC_0008ISO1600.jpg

http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Indoors_DSC_0008ISO1600_crop.jpg

ISO3200
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Indoors_DSC_0011ISO3200.jpg

http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Indoors_DSC_0011ISO3200_crop.jpg

Outdoors - Slow Shutter NR on.

ISO1600
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Outdoors_DSC_0041ISO1600Long_Shutter_NR_on.jpg

http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Outdoors_DSC_0041ISO1600Long_Shutter_NR_on_crop.jpg

ISO3200
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Outdoors_DSC_0044ISO3200Long_Shutter_NR_on.jpg

http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Outdoors_DSC_0044ISO3200Long_Shutter_NR_on_crop.jpg

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klrbee25 Silver Member
02nd Sep 2006
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Tokyo Mike
04th Sep 2006
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Tokyo Mike
04th Sep 2006
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Reply message Noise Reduction Settings
Teru
04th Sep 2006
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klrbee25 Silver Member
04th Sep 2006
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klrbee25 Silver Member
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04th Sep 2006
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Tokyo Mike
04th Sep 2006
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Teru
05th Sep 2006
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jamesvoortman Silver Member
04th Sep 2006
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Reply message NEF converted NR samples using Capture NX.
Teru
06th Sep 2006
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Reply message RE: NEF converted NR samples using Capture NX.
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06th Sep 2006
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klrbee25 Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jun 2006Sat 02-Sep-06 04:07 PM
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#1. "RE: Nikon D80 - ISO Performace samples (large images)"
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Naples, US
          

It looks like 3200 will be too grainy for me in any situation except for times when I can't otherwise get an adequate shutter speed for sharp images (as they say, it's better to be sharp and noisy, than smooth and blurry). However, the 1600 looks rather good...perhaps on D50 levels, dare I say?

Now, who owns a D50 AND a D80 so we can have the true iso 1600 comparison? You know, both cameras with the same lens, shooting the same (perferably night, I like the building examples posted above) photo, in the same conditions. I'll post this next week when my D80 arrives if no one else has the combo yet.

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Tokyo Mike Registered since 31st Aug 2006Mon 04-Sep-06 10:10 AM
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#3. "RE: Nikon D80 - ISO Performace samples (large images)"
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JP
          

I have both. I shot two comparisons of D50 at ISO 1600 against the D80 at ISO 1600 and ISO 3200. The link is below.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/1836356/3/92813436

I also have raw files, but even if I had a way to post them I can't open the D80 files yet. (I bought the camera in Japan and the included software is the Japanese language version.) If you want the raw files, send me an email.

Mike

  

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Tokyo Mike Registered since 31st Aug 2006Mon 04-Sep-06 10:41 AM
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#4. "RE: Nikon D80 - ISO Performace samples (large images)"
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JP
          

I posted these before I even had a chance to look at them myself. Now that I see them, I think I'm more pleased with the D80 ISO 1600 then with the D50 at ISO 1600. The D80 seems to have much less color noise. It also seems to retain more detail per Megapixel.

Although the D80 ISO 3200 shots are REALLY grainy, they don't have much color noise (to my eye) and I would be willing to use it in the same circumstances where I would have push processed film.

Mike

P.S. Sorry I haven't been posting 100% crops of any of my photos, but I'm still getting up to speed with Nikonians.org and at the moment it's more important for me to learn the D80.

  

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Teru Registered since 07th Jan 2006Mon 04-Sep-06 06:47 AM
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#2. "Noise Reduction Settings"
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HK
          

A test of different High ISO Noise Reduction settings

Lens: Tamron SP AF90mm f/2.8 Di Macro

A wider range of ISO settings available at:

http://www.fotop.net/teruphoto/D80

http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Spiderman_0066_ISO100_High_Noise_Norm.jpg

ISO1600, NR Off
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Spiderman_0071_ISO1600_High_Noise_Off_crop.jpg

ISO1600, NR Low
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Spiderman_0073_ISO1600_High_Noise_Low_crop.jpg

ISO1600, NR Norm
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Spiderman_0074_ISO1600_High_Noise_Norm_crop.jpg

ISO1600, NR High
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Spiderman_0072_ISO1600_High_Noise_Hi_crop.jpg

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klrbee25 Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jun 2006Mon 04-Sep-06 01:47 PM
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#5. "RE: Noise Reduction Settings"
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Naples, US
          

Thanks guys. I'm rather impressed with the D80's noise characteristics. There is definitely less color noise which makes any grain much more "natural" appearing than the D50's noise. 3200 is significantly grainier, but there are times I'll be happy having 3200 and reducing noise in Photoshop instead of having a blurred image from a slow shutter speed.

Strong work, and thanks again! I'm eagerly anticipating my D80's arrival on Wed.

-Alex

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klrbee25 Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jun 2006Mon 04-Sep-06 01:49 PM
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#6. "RE: Noise Reduction Settings"
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Naples, US
          

Hey Teru,

Do you mind posting the iso 1600 NO NR original image? I'm curious to see how it looks before 100% crop.

Thanks.

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jamesvoortman Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Sep 2004Mon 04-Sep-06 05:11 PM
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#7. "RE: Noise Reduction Settings"
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Durban, ZA
          

Hey guys,

before we get too excited comparing noise details, are you sure you are comparing apples with apples because no-one has explicitly made this clear anywhere in this thread.

by this I mean please confirm that both cameras have :
-same ISO setting
-same noise redution setting (or both off to check native noise from sensor and built-in image processing)
-same shutter/aperture combinations with the same lens
-same focal length (zoom lenses)
-same quality (RAW) and WB settings
-same sharpness, saturation etc. (preferably all zero or neutral)
-preferably tripod mounted to ensure identical focus settings

Since the D80 is in essence both a D70/D70S "replacement" and a great "upgrade" for D50 users I think it would be nice to have a three way comparison (D70 included) if anyone has all three bodies and can do this.

I have been somewhat dissapointed with ISO 1600 noise on my D70 to the extent that I would simply disable the ISO 1600 setting if it were possible to do so. I am interested to see if the D80 is significantly better in this regard.

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JamesV

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Tokyo Mike Registered since 31st Aug 2006Mon 04-Sep-06 08:11 PM
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#9. "RE: Noise Reduction Settings"
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JP
          

I absolutely agree and sorry I didn't mention that.

I used the same on everything you mentioned except WB which I had set on auto. The information is all there in the Exif if anyone wants to confirm.

The auto WB seems to have chosen a different value for the shot of the steps, but I still think it's close enough to draw some preliminary conclusions.

It would be good to test the D80 against the D70/D70S (and D200 for that matter) at ISO 1600, but many have already done this test and, correct me if I'm wrong, the general concensus I've seen is that the D50 has the best noise characteristics at ISO 1600. I think that was where the interest came in testing the D80 against the D50.

Surely there will be some official reviews of the D80 coming out soon. Personally I can't wait for the one at dpreview, who does a great job of comparing image results between similar cameras.

Mike

P.S. Does anyone really have all three cameras?

  

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Teru Registered since 07th Jan 2006Tue 05-Sep-06 01:54 AM
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#10. "RE: Noise Reduction Settings"
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HK
          

>Hey Teru,
>
>Do you mind posting the iso 1600 NO NR original image? I'm
>curious to see how it looks before 100% crop.
>
>Thanks.

Unfortunately, Fotop.net only allows a max size of 1024. I have a resized version of the uncropped photo, but the noise is greatly reduced because of the resizing so you can't really use it as an accurate reference. But here's the link anyways, in case you still want to see it:

http://imagesl.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Spiderman_0071_ISO1600_High_Noise_Off.jpg

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jamesvoortman Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Sep 2004Mon 04-Sep-06 05:21 PM
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#8. "RE: Noise Reduction Settings"
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Durban, ZA
          

Interesting that the Hi noise reduction setting also seems to yield a sharper image than the one with noise reduction OFF. I compared both in side by side windows.

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Teru Registered since 07th Jan 2006Wed 06-Sep-06 02:09 AM
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#11. "NEF converted NR samples using Capture NX."
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HK
          

Finally installed Capture NX. Shot 6 shots (3 at ISO 1600 and 3 at ISO 3200) using the following settings:

D80 High Noise NR Off
D80 High Noise NR Norm
D80 High Noise NR Off + Noise Reduction in NX: 8% intensity + 5 Sharpness + Best Quality. No Edge Noise Reduction

ISO 1600
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/NEF_1600_NR_Off_crop.jpg
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/NEF_1600_NR_Norm_crop.jpg
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/NEF_1600_NR_Off_8_Intensity_crop.jpg

ISO 3200
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/NEF_3200_NR_Off_crop.jpg
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/NEF_3200_NR_Norm_crop.jpg
http://images2.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/NEF_3200_NR_Off_8_Intensity_5_Sharp_crop.jpg

Samples of uncropped resized photos available at http://www.fotop.net/teruphoto/D80?page=4

Also, here are 2 JPEG samples to compare with the converted NEFs.

ISO 1600, NR Off, JPEG = Fine
http://images4.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Fine_1600_NR_Off.jpg

ISO 1600, NR Norm, JPEG = Fine
http://images4.fotop.net/albums2/teruphoto/D80/Fine_1600_NR_Norm.jpg

Looks like I'll be sticking to NEF for high ISO shots.

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pizzajoe62 Registered since 20th May 2006Wed 06-Sep-06 06:07 AM
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#12. "RE: NEF converted NR samples using Capture NX."
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PH
          

they all look very promising.
i like how it holds upt the color & details at high iso levels.
the only thing that bothers me is the sample with dark skies...the dark skies appears blotchy...dunno if there is a way around that.

joe

  

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