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"False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"


Lowden, US
          


Here is the original thread an here is part 2.

Background
First reported on Nikoians on November 8, 2006
Some users have reported getting a false low battery indication with the D80 causing the camera to stop working. While shooting the camera will stop working and the battery indicator shows the battery is empty. Turning off the camera and switching it back on the camera will function normally and indicate the battery is full. Sometimes the issue will clear itself without turning the camera off. This happens with new freshly charged batteries and when users try a second battery. It also occurs when using the MB-D80 battery grip. It occurs with or with out flash. The issues usually happens with lenses 18-200 or bigger. This is also happening with the D200 and usually with big lenses 70-200 and up.

Statistics as of June 16, 2007. (D80 group only)

Total Reports = 63

3 = New reports (these are new reports that don’t fit in the below categories yet.)
2 = Users who sent in cameras that came back and still had the issue.
5 = Cameras successfully repaired
2 = Cameras that were replaced (one by Nikon and one by a retailer)
8 = Cameras that were self repaired by reseating lens or cleaning contacts
3 = Users who sent in a camera but haven’t reported back
2 = Users who received camera back from Nikon and are still testing
4 = Users who have not or will not send in their camera (three don’t see the issue as enough of a problem to send in the other one just wants a D200)
34 = Users who reported the problem but were never heard from again (these are basically hit and run “me too” posts that give little information. This is the largest group but also the least credible.)

Lenses mentioned: Nikon 18-200, Sigma 150mm Macro, sigma 80-400OS, Nikon 70-300, 70-200VR, Tamron 28-75, Sigma 120-300 f/2.8, Sigma 1.4x TC. On the D200 forum the 200-400VR is listed.


If you are newly reporting this issue

Please give as much info as you can. Include any observations that you make when this happens. Here are a few questions to consider. This info may help us gather meaningful date for troubleshooting.

How old is your camera?

Has this just happened once or is it an ongoing issue?

Does it happen with any lens or only a specific one?

Have you had any there error messages such as ERR, F-- or fEE?

Can you replicate the issue at will? If so how?


Troubleshooting

Any one who is able to replicate this issue so far has done it by putting stress on the lens mount, some by quickly zooming from one extreme to the other.

Several have had the issue go away after reseating the lens or cleaning the contacts.

On mine I can use a twisting motion on the lens and at first I will observe a flickering of the info (the meter must be active) in the top LCD and viewfinder.

Once the flickering starts the camera becomes more sensitive i.e. it takes less pressure to cause an error or low battery indication.

The first time this happened to me the low battery indication was immediately followed by a lens error (either fEE or F--). I seem to be just as likely to get an ERR message as the bead battery icon when trying to replicate the problem.

Lens contacts are clean and in good condition with no excessive wear.

Mine only happens with one lens (sigma 120-300 /2.8, 10 inches long and 6lbs.) I can not replicate it with any of my other lenses.

Most reports are using a lens the size the 18-200 or larger.

Theory

I believe that this issue is caused by intermittent electrical contact among the lens contact points. This could cause power to surge or a sudden power draw that could cause the firmware to report a low battery or the firmewear could be hanging. This seems to happen with lenses with internal focus motors (AF-S, Sigma HSM) so the draw of power from these motors across a less then perfect connection could be part of these issues. Some have reported the issue occurs when half pushing the shutter release and the AF system is activated.

It is possible that both the camera and the lens are with in manufacturing specs. But is one is at the edge of the fit tolerance and the other is at the other opposite edge end of the tolerance a little extra play at the mount could cause intermittent contact. As such this may not be fixable with out having the camera and troublesome lens in for service together.


Service and repair

We have also learned that some retailers’ will send gear to a third party Nikon authorized repair center without informing the customer. If we expect Nikon to be aware of this and address it we need to make sure that we communicate directly with Nikon. If you need to send in your camera contact your regional Nikon support (i.e. Nikon USA) and arrange to send in the gear yourself.

With this issue you really need to send the lens/camera together. They will probably not be able to reproduce the problem with a different lens. If they can’t reproduce it they can’t fix it.


Keep notes and send in a detailed explanation of your problem and the circumstances of it’s occurrence. Don’t just send it in saying that you get a dead battery indication. Tell them that you think it has something to do with the lens contacts and explain why. That way the lens contacts will get attention.

IMHO it is a waste to try to tell them about what you have heard/read on the internet. They want first hand experiences from users.

The only data they can use to determine the extent of a repair issue is from the cameras that they can troubleshoot in the repair facility. The only way to get them to see and address the issue is for cameras to show up at the repair centers.

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I know how frustrating this issue is but things could be much worse. There is so much more important stuff that can cause stress that you really should try to keep this slight annoyance in perspective and not add to your daily stress.

Please just don’t let this get to you.

Thanks, -Dave

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Lowden, Iowa
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Intrinsicate Registered since 16th Jun 2007Sat 16-Jun-07 10:24 PM
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#1. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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I bought my D80 in September 2006. It came with the 18-135 Nikkor. I used it extensively without any problems. I completely fell in love with the camera. In April of this year, I bought the 18-200 VR lens, and the false battery reading syndrome began almost at once.
I tried using a single battery, two batteries in the verical holder, and 6 AA batteries. The fault appeared in all three modes.
I never thought that the problem could be in the lens, until reading this thread, today; so I will dismount/remount the lens this evening, and see what happens. If the problem continues, I will revert to the 18-135 lens, to see if the problem now occurs with that lens.
Thanks for all the information and comment. I think it is reassuring to know I'm not alone.
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James23p Moderator Awarded for his wide variety of skills, a true generalist both in film and digital photography Nikonian since 25th Apr 2004Sat 16-Jun-07 10:32 PM
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Additional updates:

I have carefully searched the other large photography sites.

One site has one thread with 7 posts and not a single D80 issue reported this site has around 15,000 members.

Another site has no reports and no threads on the D80 battery level issue.

last one of the largest sites I found one thread and had 13 replies it had 4 members with the problem 3 have done nothing and one has had Nikon attempt to fix it they replaced the camera with a new one and the user is still having trouble.

Now DPreview is huge but I am not a member and could not do a search but I looked at 2 months of posts and did not see one post on this. I do believe I saw that one member said he saw one post on DP but I got tired of looking at posts and gave up.

I also did a google search and a yahoo search only Nikonians threads show up.

So the good news this seems not to be as large as it seems, the bad news it is really frustrating for those that have this problem.

So good work Dave on the stats I really appreciate it.

I will continue to monitor the other sites so if something new shows up I will post it here so we can all benefit.

PS I am at work no spell check so be kind.

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TobiasR Registered since 17th Jun 2007Sun 17-Jun-07 11:32 AM
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Hello,
I am new here but when I discovered the same problem with my new (3 days) D80 with the 18-200 VR, I read a lot about this and wanted to help, solving the problem.
Thanks for every one here, trying to help!

To my results:
I noticed it mostly when/after zooming. When I read, it could be the lens, I noticed, it was much more not the zooming than "touching the lens".
It is the only lens I have today, so I have never tried to unmount before.
To your advices I found I could replicate the error by turning the lens for maybe only 1 degree (clockwise - infront of the camera like "zooming out"). It was still mounted and "fixed", but it was possible to turn for some millimeters. So I thought, it could be the contacts.
When I unmounted the lens (without cleaning it) and remounted it again, it suddenly was not longer possible to turn it these few degrees and so I couldnt replicate the error.
There have not been any other "error message" then the battery symbol and sometimes the flash blinking.
So after remounting the lens, this problem seems to be fixed and I wanted to report my expericene. I hope, I could help and it will not occur again.

Thaks a lot,
Tobias

  

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Tobias,

Welcome to Nikonians!

Thanks for your input.

With any luck it was happening to you because the lens locking pin just didn’t engage quite right. Some play in the mount is common and normal but should probably be a fraction of a millimeter.

If this is your only lens I would recommend releasing and reseating it every once in a wile. These lens contacts not meant as permanent connections and oxidation could form causing less then a perfect contact. When you remove and replace the lens the metal on metal contact will help keep the connection clean. An easy to see example of this is on an SD card that has been in use for a wile. If you look at the contacts most of the metal will be dark but there will be shiny scratches where the card reader contacts scrape against the card contacts.

Let us know if this comes up again or if you have any other questions/concerns about your camera. This site can provide great real world answers to most questions then you would get by calling Nikon.

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#5. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Memphis, US
          

Welcome to Nikonians Tobias, Dave has given you excellent advice I just wanted to welcome you.

Plus keep us informed on any changes in you D80 and 18-200 VR, all in all this is a great combo and hope to see you posting lots of pictures. If you have any problems or questions please feel free to post them here if about you D80 or the Nikkor forum for the 18-200 VR.

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DE
          

Hey! Thanks for your heartly welcome.
Of cause I will report any further problems and possible solutions.
If I have more money one day, I will buy some more lenses for sure, but I am still a student, so there is not much money.
The reason for my report was just to inform about my situation (and for the statistics). Maybe it helps others to fix the problem.
The idea of "using" the lens to keep it clean is a good one, even if this wouldnt be the problem for now, because it is only a few days old.
And the play in the mount was not so much. (not much more then usually every camera has) It was mounted and every thing worked fine -except the problem with the battery.
Thats why I wanted to post. If I wouldn't have heared about the lens problem, I would have never noticed, it could be a problem with the mount.
So anyway, thanks alot for your help and the great work in this forum.
Greetings,
Tobias

P.S. Oh, and please excuse my bad english. I'm from germany.

  

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#7. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Never worry about your English Tobias, your English is better than my German.

Plus sometimes new cameras that have been in transit still have a small amount of crud on the contacts if they have been sitting for awhile so the fact you mounted and remounted and things seemed to clear up seems to fit that.

Again welcome! Jim

PS thanks for your post Tobias and Dave and I have been reading every post on the internet about this everyone helps us.

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#8. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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DE
          

Hmm, okay, I will check, but it looks fine so far. Anyway when I get these problems next time, I will check this first.
So thanks for your involvement.
And if you need a german teacher, let me know!
So long,
Tobi

  

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#9. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Flagstaff, US
          

Ok here is a question for people expeiencing the battery problem. When you got the camera did you run the battery down first or, did you charge it before use. I had one battery I ran down completely and, the other one I charged before using. My one battery runs down faster than the other, from what I see. The one I ran down lasts much longer. I also find that my 80-400 VR does run both down faster than with my short non-VR lenses.

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#10. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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DE
          

Well, I have only one battery today (ordered another one from a third party shop). I put the battery inside and used it until it was down.
But anyway, I think these lithium batteries do not have anything like these "memory effect". Is it wrong?
Beside, I tried a lot today to get the error again, but it still seems to be a closed circuit (or something like that) at the lens.
The problem was, the battery was full and in one second later it was empty. That is not a memory effect or the age of the battery, I think.
Greeting,
Tobias


  

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#11. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Unfortunately this doesn’t seem to be a problem with the battery it self. This is a full battery that suddenly reads as completely depleted but it always recovers to fully charged either by cycling the power or just waiting a few minutes.

Several people have tried multiple batteries and even the battery grip.

A number of people only have this issue with one particular lens.

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#12. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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BE
          

Hey,
I have this problem too with my D200, but only with one lens: a Sigma 150mm Macro lens... my other lenses are Nikors...

I thought it needed a re-chip...

it happens with both my batteries...

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#13. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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DE
          

Have you tried to remount the lens?
And can you replicate the issue at will? If so how?
Greetings,
Tobi

  

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#15. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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BE
          

yes I can replicated it... I remounted the lens, it's a second hand sigma I just bought... I can try to clean the contacts if you think that helps...


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#16. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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BE
          

follow up...

I cleaned the contacts of the lens with "Kontakt 60" spray... http://www.techstartools.com/kontakt.htm

at first, it happened again, but i waited a few seconds and the indicator went back to normal
and now, it doesn't happen anymore... so, I will watch it tomorrow...
and report you if it comes back, else cleaning may have solved the issue...

after all it was a lens I didn't own before, so don't know how long it may have been sitting on a drawer...

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#14. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Since this seems to happen with both Nikon and third party lenses I don’t think reshipping your Sigma is the answer.

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#17. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Over the week-end, I cleaned the contacts for the lens with an eraser, and I re-mounted the lens "firmly", as recommended. Since then, I have been completely unable to duplicate the battery problem. It seems that it really is a lens-mount issue, which I would never have thought of, myself. I am very grateful to this forum for the information and advice it provides!

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#18. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Memphis, US
          

I am glad to see some are getting a handle on this. Dave has done a lot of work on this and after much time we do believe in many if not most cases it is a contact issue. Even a few engineer types seem to think this.

I would like again the thank Dave(dm1dave) he has done the majority of leg work on this and has really helped a lot of Nikonians out. This is truly what the meaning of being a Nikonian is about.

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#20. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Thanks Jim. I nearly gave up on this thread a few months ago but some how I kept reading it. I did the first set of sats just to try to put the extent of the issue in perspective. I someone just tries to read though the threads it can start looking like this affects nearly every D80 but when you actually brake down the numbers you see that the issue is a bit more contained. This looks like a giant issue because there are so many posts but it has taken 8 months to get this number of posts. Other issues generate these giant threads in a much shorter time frame.

I just hope we can at least figure out how to manage / work around this and eliminate some frustration and lost shots.

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#19. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Dave,

I was out this weekend shooting and could not replicate the problem.

Before I left, I took off the lens (Nikkor 18-200mm VR), wiped the contacts, put lens back on and made sure it's tight. I turned camera on and jiggled the lens, pushed on it, turned it, everything, still no problem. I went out for the day, took shots as I normally do, maybe about 100, using the lens and various settings including the VR feature. Still no problem. No error codes either.

As is the case, if this is about lens contacts, then I think it may take a while before the problem re-appears as it took months of ownership before this started happening a week ago.

I will repost when/if I encounter again as I will keep trying to replicate it.

  

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#21. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks for the update.

For the record I have not had it come up in normal shooting in the last week. I have of course checked and cleaned the contacts. I have also been trying to avoid putting stress on the lens mount although some is unavoidable. My lens also gets removed from the camera often to use others or just because it is not convenient to keep such a big lens on the camera. I have stopped trying to replicate the problem instead I am trying to be mindful of it and avoid having it happen.

The first 6 images in my gallery are from the lens that I have had this issue with.

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#22. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Hi Folks,

I was about to start a new thread on this subject, but much to my surprise it appears others are having the same problem I'm having.

Here is my experience with this issue:

I was at Michigan Speedway this past weekend for the NASCAR races and was using my D200 with battery grip and the Sigma 50-500mm.

On Friday, I shot about 500 images with no problems at all.

Sunday, the day of the race, after about 250 images the camera refused to shoot and was showing the blinking low battery indicator in the LCD. When I checked the batteries, the left slot was 100% and right was 75%. Turning the camera off and on again temporarily solved the problem, but then it happened again a few minutes later. The second time I turned the camera off, removed and replaced the batteries, and turned the camera on again. No more power problems the rest of the day.

I also had problems with the lens around the same time. sometimes no auto-focus, and I discovered that the camera display was showing f0 as if a non-cpu lens was attached. I had aperture set to f8 and rotating the lens I noticed the slight amount of play in the mount which seemed to be causing the poor connection between the lens and body. I removed and re-attached the lens which took care of the problem for the rest of the day.

I have around 500 images from Sunday as well, and eleven of them with incorrect exposure due to this problem. (Who knows how many others I missed while I was re-attaching the lens, removing and re-inserting batteries etc.) The camera was in manual mode at 1/1000sec. f8 and auto iso on with 100-1600 range set. Two of the eleven images I mentioned are extremely overexposed, and the exif data shows the correct shutter, aperture and lens focal length but iso 1600 which was way too high for the shot. The other nine are all underexposed with the exif showing iso 1600, 1/1000th sec. @ f0. Lens data shows 0.0mm f0.0 lens with a max aperture of f1.0 Another strange thing is that the exif data shows all eleven images being shot with center weighted metering when I was actually using matrix.

Here are some other details:

1) Both batteries were 100% charged at the start of the day.

2) I was shooting in dynamic af "AFC" "CH" modes most of the day.

3) It was extremely hot at the track on Sunday. Mid 90's, very humid, and the camera and lens were exposed to the sun most of the day so heat may have been a contributing factor.

4) This was the first time I've experienced the power problem.

5) I did have the same connection problem last summer with the 50-500mm and also at Michigan Speedway. I cleaned the contacts last time, and thought the problem was solved.

6) I haven't had this problem with any of my other lenses.

7) I tried the 50-500mm on my F100 and there is still a little play between the body and lens, but it seems to be tighter on the F100 than on the D200.

8) I have not been able to reproduce the problem at home, and since reading the other posts here, I've cleaned the contacts on the lens, battery grip and batteries with an eraser.

9) I don't use the "Bigma" very often, usually twice a year at the NASCAR races, and the occasional air show. I'll be going back to MIS in August, so we'll see what happens then.

10) My D200 and MB-D200 were some of the first produced. I purchased both in December 2005. D200 Serial number 3002xxx. The camera does have the latest firmware.

I've tried to provide as much information as possible to help narrow down the cause of this problem. Don't hesitate to contact me if there are any other questions.

I was a rather upset that a "pro" level camera was giving me these problems, although I did manage to get some really good shots this past weekend, I still feel this is unacceptable.

I'm glad to find out that these two problems appear to be related to each other. I was about to send the D200 & grip back to Nikon, and the lens back to Sigma for service. I have been considering sending the D200 in to fix the loose hot shoe/SB-800 problem, but for now I guess wait and see the outcome of this other problem.

Thanks,

Frank


P.S.
What is the best way to clean the contacts in the body? I don't want to use the eraser for fear of bits of debris falling inside.


  

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#24. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Hey Frank,

Thanks for the detailed post.

I’m not sure a bout the “best” way to clean the contacts. They are a bit difficult to get to. I used a Pec Pad (or soft lint free cloth) and a pencil/pen to rub the pad on each contact. I also used a magnifying glass so I could see what I was doing. You could dampen the pad with a lens cleaner, alcohol or some electrical contact cleaner. You just want something that will evaporate as soon as you lift the pad.

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#27. "(Something else I just remembered) RE: False Low Batter"
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US
          

I'm not sure if it's related to this problem, but thought I'd mention it anyway.

I've been charging my batteries with the MH-19 charger. Lately I've noticed that even if I leave the batteries on the charger overnight, or even for 15-20 minutes after the charger says they are fully charged, when I put them in the camera sometimes they only show 92%-96% charged. I end up having to put them back on the charger to top them off.

I didn't start having this problem until recently.


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#113. "An Update"
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US
          

Hi All,

Since I last posted in this thread, I used Deoxit to clean the lens and battery contacts of my D200, and also all my lenses and batteries. I also purchased the 18-800vr, and cleaned the contacts with Deoxit.

This last weekend I shot over a thousand pictures, mostly with my Sigma 50-500mm, and some with the 18-200vr. The 50-500mm was the lens giving me problems back in June, and some people mentioned having
problems with the 18-200vr.

I'm pleased to report that I had no problems at all this last weekend! The D200 and lenses performed flawlessly! It was much cooler this weekend than it was in June, but it was also rainy, and the camera and lenses were exposed to a lot of moisture.

I'm hoping that Deoxit did the trick, and that I won't have any further problems.


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#23. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Hello everyone!

I experienced this problem for the first time while on vacation last week. I started searching tonight for some information....and found this thread. I am shooting with a D80 (about 8 months old) and my most recent purchase (18-200 VR). While I hadn't encountered the problem before last week, it was my first real opportunity to get some good use with the lens since it arrived in April - it happened 10 to 15 times over the course of a week.

At one time or another I have used the following glass without any issues:

50mm 1.8
18-70mm (kit lens from D70)
18-135mm (kit from D80)
18-55mm II (kit from D40x)
18-55mm (kit from D50)
70-300mm 1.4-5.6 ED

Seems to be exclusive to my 18-200 VR. (disappointing since it is the best glass I have) I simply turn off and on to resolve... I will be using heavily in the next several days....and I am going to try to document any additional instances.

Thanks to everyone for sharing information and experiences. I was beginning to wonder how I was going to try to explain this to Nikon. I am going to hold tight for now.....and follow this thread a bit before sending it in.

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#25. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks for the info Jeff.

Try noting anything that could put stress on the mount next time it happens. Also see if you can avoid it by holding to reduce any chance of stressing the lens mount.

Keep us up to date and if you decide to send it in make sure you give them the documentation of your own camera’s issue and send the lens together with the camera.

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#26. "Lens contact cleaning advice."
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Lowden, US
          

Below is some good info about getting good clean electrical contacts that will be resistant to oxidation. This looks like it is worth trying. I am going see if I can find some tomorrow and clean/treat my lens and battery contacts.

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Posted in the D200 forum by user 73z1

Using an eraser is an old and reliable, but short term fix for contact corrosion. An even better option is to use DeoxIT contact cleaner. It is sold at Radio Shack and other electrical outlets in a kit with DeoxIT and ProGold corrosion inhibitor. Used together, these two will significantly reduce contact connection resistance and protect the contacts against corrosion in the future.

Non-scientific automotive testing has shown that it helps to increase the life of some relays and cuts corrrosion voltage loss enough to be measurable with a simple digital volt-ohmmeter. Since I have started using the above cleaners I have cut down significantly on the frequesncy of cleanings for many auto electrical accessories contacts. I now use it on any electrical contact when I do maintenence.

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#28. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

This brief paragraph from CADEX along with the short article - on the Li-ion batteries fuel gauge -

"Although lithium-ion is memory-free in terms of performance deterioration, batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Here is the reason: Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem. Letting the battery run down to the cut-off point in the equipment will do this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate.

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

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rainbow eyes Registered since 22nd Jul 2006Wed 27-Jun-07 10:03 AM
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#29. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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NL
          

Hi there

Same problem here. So I can join this queue unfortunately. First posting here by the way. Found this thread when lookin' for simular problems.

First got the problem a week ago, just once though. Didn't pay much attention to it then. I used the D80 for the first time with a Nikon TC17EII along with a 70-200VR then. No problems, just once the False Low Battery Indication. But this weekend it was there all the time, this time I didn't use the TC17EII, only the 70-200VR.

Monday with a Sigma 24-70 no problems. Yesterday I went out with the 70-200VR and again the same problem all the time. D80 bought in February 2007, serial # 4114xxx, 10.000-20.000 shots without any problem. Used lenses include Nikkor 50 en 85mm prime, Sigma 50-150, Sigma 10-20, Sigma 24-70, Sigma 28mm prime, these caused never a problem so far.

I'll do some more testing with different lenses the coming days, and cleaning the contacts too.

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#30. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Welcome to Nikonians Frans.

Sorry to here you’re now having this problem.

An educated guess is that it still won’t happen with any of your other lenses. This is more evidence that this is a problem with lens contacts between a specific lens and the camera body.

After cleaning the contacts try paying attention to how you’re holding the combo when this happens. See if you can tell if it mostly happens when (or soon after) twisting the zoom ring. Try to ensure that the lens is well supported and try to avoid putting stress on the mount.

Out of curiosity is this happening wile hand holing or when mounted on a tri pod?

I have not had the issue resurface with my gear now for almost 3 weeks. I am keeping that lens mounted on a tripod and trying to avoid any twisting force of pressure on the lens mount. The only times this happened on it own was when I was using the lens without a tripod.

Please keep us up to date, thanks.

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#31. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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NL
          

Thanks for the welcome and advice.

I cleaned the contacts, they indeed looked a bit dirty and greasy. I'm a popconcert-photographer and never use a tri pod, always hand held, and twisting the zoom ring all the time.

I did a huge outdoors popfestival last weekend where it rained from start to finish, so I assumed at first it was the moist although I used raincovers. But last night at an indoor popconcert I had the same problems.

I'll keep you're advice in mind and will report what happens, I'll have 3 festivals coming up this weekend. One indoor, two outdoors. So enough practice and testing possibilities. I'll have my old D50 with me as back-up. Still hope I won't need it!

Frans

  

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#32. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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NL
          

A short update and it's good news so far. I cleaned the contacts and did an outdoor popfestival last night, over 1300 shots and no problems at all!

And I was, as usal, twisting the zoom ring pretty heavily a lot of times. So it looks that cleaning the contacts helped extremely well so far. Tonight, just like tomorrow, more extended testing.

Thanks for the excellent advice, I'm very grateful!!

Frans

  

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#33. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Good show Frans glad so far so good. Thanks for the positive update! Plus glad to see you having fun with the D80.

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#34. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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NL
          

Another positive update. I have been using the D80 very heavily, on Saturdaynight (700 shots) and yesterday all day (3000 shots). And not once I got the false low batery indication. So I think it's fair to say after 5000 shots without any problem in 3 days that my problem only must have occured through dirty contacts.

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#35. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Outstanding! At least now what to do if it comes back in the future.

Thanks for taking the time to keep us updated!

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#36. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Hi all,

I was just looking at dpreview.com and noticed that Fuji has issued a firmware update for the S5 to fix problems relating to poor connection between the body and the MB-D200 grip.

I wonder if this is part of the problem with the D80 & D200?

Here is the link if you are interested:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0707/07070201fujis5firm.asp


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#37. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Derby, US
          

Along with everyone else on this post I’m having the same trouble. I sent the camera in for repair last month. It took about 4 weeks to get it back. Once it was back it worked for a week before it started flashing the low battery light again. It doesn’t happen as frequent but is still doing it. Here is the latest letter to Nikon explaining everything. Basically a repeat of everyone’s troubles.

While shooting photos the camera will lock up and flash the battery indicator in the view finder and on the lcd. Nothing will function, menu, no buttons, and no dials. The only way to fix it is to turn the power switch off and back on. The problem is intermittent. I can shoot for 10 minutes with no problems and other times it has been as fast as the first picture. It all ways happens when the button is pressed to take a picture. One evening it happened 3 times in a row while trying to shoot continuously it would take 3 shots and then start flashing. Since, it has not done that again. I leave the mb-d80 adapter on with 2 batteries all the time. In order to try troubleshooting the problem I removed the mb-d80 and used one battery at a time. The problem still occurred with each of the batteries by themselves. I borrowed a battery from a friend that has a d-80 and the problem still occurred with his battery. He gave the battery to me with a full charge. After the camera came back from repair it worked well for about a week. It has slowly started doing the same thing again. It does not happen near as often. In the last 500 pictures it has happened about 10 times.

Here is a list of what was on the repair invoice.
repair SC 201117
RPL POWER PCB
RPL DC/DC CONVERTOR
BATTERY DRAIN
ADJ AUTO FOCUS OPERATION
MOD VERSION UPGRADE
CKD POP-UP FLASH
CKD ELECTRICAL CONTACTS
GENERAL CHECK AND CLEAN

After reading through most of the post on this topic I’m going to keep an eye on the contacts. I did try moving the lens to duplicate the trouble but it work fine. Right now I’m waiting on a shipping label to send everything in to Nikon for repair. I have a few major events coming up before it goes back so I will try everything suggested here.

The equipment that I’m using is the 18-200 vr lens, Mb-d80 adapter, and the sb-600 flash.

  

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#38. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks for sharing your info.

Wile you’re waiting for your mailing label can you try a couple things?

In you letter you say “The only way to fix it is to turn the power switch off and back on.” That is the way most have reset the camera to work again but I have noticed something with mine.

If it happens again and you have time (not a critical shot) instead of switching off the camera try twisting the lens a bit and see if the camera goes back to normal or if it changes to a different error message.

Another thing to try is to do nothing and just wait a minute and see if the camera goes back to normal on its own in about a minute or so.

If either of these things get the camera back to normal operating make sure that you add that to the info you send to Nikon. It could help them troubleshoot.

Keep us up to date. Thanks!

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#40. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Derby, US
          

I will try those suggestions. Something that I forgot to mention before is the camera worked for 5 months and 5000+ photos before the problem appeared.

  

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#39. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Hi Dave:

This is a new report. My D80 is new and my Nikon 18-200VR lens is new. I noticed it right after getting my new 18-200VR lens. I had to use other lens for about 2 months until the 18-200VR arrived. There was no problem when using the other (smaller) Nikon lenses. At first I thought I had not charged the battery right but soon realized that wasn't the problem. Perplexed. I'm doing a lot of sports etc and need my batteries & camera to work!! I'll try cleaning the contacts. I hope this is not going to be a long lasting problem with this camera/lens combination.

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#41. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks Lee. Read though the thread and try out some of the things we have done for troubleshooting. Hopefully this won’t become big issue with your gear.

Whatever happens please keep us up to date. Thanks

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scoggy Registered since 25th Oct 2006Mon 09-Jul-07 02:54 PM
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#42. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Halifax, CA
          

Add me to this list. I've got the 18-200VR lens too. Purchased last November. I haven't sent mine in for repair yet. I'm waiting in hopes that Nikon will soon have a guaranteed fix for this frustrating issue, since some have had theirs unsuccessfully repaired. Maybe we should be sending in our 18-200VR lenses for repair instead of the D80. Maybe they can fix the lens creep at the same time

  

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#43. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Added, sorry to hear you also have this issue.

“…since some have had theirs unsuccessfully repaired..”

You do realize only a grand total of 2 people fit the above statement. On the other hand the list of people who have resolved this issue either by themselves or though repair is growing. 13 self repairs and 8 taken care of by Nikon or a retailer.

“…Maybe we should be sending in our 18-200VR lenses for repair instead …”

The first thing to do is try to replicate the issue at will. If you can show it is a lens contact issue you should send in the camera and the lens together. The problem seems to be specific to the lens/camera combination. If you send only the body they will not be able to replicate the problem and therefore they can not fix it.

Go back though the thread and do some troubleshooting. Try some of the self remedies including careful handholding technique these things seem to work for most who take the time to try.

Good luck and please keep us updated if you discover something new or if you situation changes.

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#44. "If you're a believer... keep trying..."
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Blah,...

Be serious now... 5% of the D80's are utter #####! So is mine...
Don't try me, I sent mine back 2 times, the 2nd time with the lense mounted... Pushing the release button gives the excellent result of nothing! Shutter will not work! Which is the absolute Nikon result!!!! NOTHING!!!! I admit it does happen now and then but hey, my D80 isn't reliable, and as oft times it does something, it could be doing nothing: complete and utter #####!

Thanks to DM1Dave, cgronier!! Everyone is interested in the result but noone wants to give input! (still available at d80@skynet.be).

I know, and you, reading this, knows, you are having an electronic/electric prob with the D80/D200 Nikon body. Everyone seems to keep on posting and whining. </GRMBL>. This is NOT a new issue! After the third thread, about this problem, and even more, Nikon does not recognize the issue.(for those to disagree: d80@skynet.be)

Even if this issue does only concern this 5% of Nikonians, a few people (in this thread only some 50), why should we not get an apparatus that works (responds when we want it to).

But I think I will be harrassing Nikon till they give me my money's worth...
(meanwhile: D80 1190Euros + 18-200VR 650Euros = point+try to shoot but no release! Equaling complete deficit!!)

I really wonder in what way and in which words I'll have to be addressing Nikon a bit like McEnroe:... NIKON: "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS 'BOUT THIS!")

PFFRRTTT... So far for Nikon... Next time I'll buy something else, something reliable: maybe a Canon, or even a Pentax,... befire I ever cosider in investing in Nikon again.

The truly ##### off Nikon-customer.
Ad exercitium deliberativum!
D80@skynet.be
De Prosper. Toodels!

Again:

  

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#45. "RE: If you're a believer... keep trying..."
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For those that replace posting threads:

Hey, why not to start another, fourth, a fifth or a sixth, thread |-< When specifically addressed issues do not get some correct answer (even after some time), what's the point?[br />
This is absolutely boring...

Again tnx to dm1dave, cgronier and webredactie@nikon-club-nederland.nl, which seem to be the only people who care...

Is there anyone outhere?!
d80@skynet.be

  

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#46. "RE: If you're a believer... keep trying..."
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PinotNoir if you find the post boring why post at all. I find the last two post to be over the line and since we have many readers some who are minors and in the TOU we try to foster a family environment I would think again how you post here. Please keep your post like you would post to family.

I edited the offensive words and references to offensive words. Please again keep within the TOU and family environment.

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#48. "RE: If you're a believer... keep trying..."
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Lowden, US
          

I am the one who requested (both times) to have the thread locked and continued in a new post. This had nothing to do with “specifically addressed issues do not get some correct answer” it was done ONLY to make the thread easier to follow.

Will this thread end up with a part 4 or 5? Probably! Frankly I don’t see much chance of a universal “fix” to this in the near future. This issue will need to be fixed or managed on a one camera at a time basis.

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#56. "RE: If you're a believer... keep trying..."
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Lowden, US
          

I am posting this in the forum as well a sending it direct by email.

PinotNoir,

Since this problem seems to be effecting you camera rather severely I wander if your still willing to try something.

Here in the U.S. every auto parts store and most electronics stores have some sort of electronic contact cleaner. It usually comes in an aerosol and is meant to be sprayed into plugs to blast out the gunk and clean the contacts.

If you can find something like this spray it on a clean lint free cloth (preferably white so you can see the dirt) I used a cotton t-shirt. Spray the cleaner onto the cloth and wipe it across the contacts with your finger. You will probably be surprised how much dirt gets on the cloth. Then use another are of cloth and wipe you’re the contacts on the lens.

When I first came across this problem I cleaned the contacts with an alcohol based lens cleaner. It was the only thing I had on hand that would evaporate quickly. Afterwards I was still able to reproduce the problem at will and it reappeared (in the form of an ERR message) once again in the field.

Based on another users post I started looking for a dedicated electrical contact cleaner. I couldn’t find the recommended brand (it looks like Radio Shack stopped selling it) so I went with the automotive stuff. When I used it I was surprised how much stuff came off onto the cloth some of it no doubt from the surrounding plastic. I really hadn’t though much about it since but last night wile shooting a softball game with the “problem” lens I realized it hadn’t happened since. Right now I don’t think I can even force the problem to occur even though I could when it first happened.

If nothing else this is worth a try. I know your skeptical but you really have nothing to loose and it is not expensive. Please give it a try and let us know how it works out.

Thanks

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#47. "RE: If you're a believer... keep trying..."
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Wow… not much else to say after that rant.

I am sorry you are so upset about this. I think it may be time to cut your losses and get rid of your Nikon gear and move on. If I was as angry as you with Nikon my camera would be in a thousand pieces. This type of anger and stress is not good for your health.

I am really not sure what you expect people to send you that hasn’t already been said here (where it is useful to everyone.) You original request for information seems to be to support your taking legal action. I do NOT support the idea of legal action and I bet most others don’t either. Of course if you get it into court and want to fly me over to testify I would love a free trip to Europe but I don’t think you would be pleased with my testimony.

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#49. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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I purchased my D80 with VR 18-200 lens in Oct 2006. I had this battery problem with 2 batteries within a month or so. I tried cleaning the contacts etc with no success. I returned the camera to Nikon who did a "General check and clean". On getting the camera back I got the problem almost immediately i.e., within minutes.

I returned the camera to Nikon again in March 2007, at their expense, and they did the following:-
Replaced the Power PCB
Replaced DC/DC convertor
Checked flash, battery drain, electrical contacts & auto focus
General clean.

I haven't had the problem since and have probably taken over 2000 photos since then.

I hope this helps,
Terry

  

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#50. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks Terry. It great to hear a successes story.

I have seen the “replaced power PCB” mentioned by other who have sent in the camera.

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#51. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Memphis, US
          

Thanks for the update Terry, was this Nikon USA?

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#52. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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z1gary Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd Oct 2006Mon 16-Jul-07 01:15 AM
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#53. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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OK...me too!

I got my D80, 18-135 kit w MB-D80 battery pack in aug 06 and have had only this lens on it since. Everything fine till a month or so ago and 'the problem' started showing up - I remember thinking "Is this what thety were talking about?...na, not me."
So, day after a night time charge i got the low battery. My MB-D80 was really loose and tightening sent the problem away. It has been recurring intermittently ever since. It did it on the evening of July 4th as the fireworks started going off. I fiddled madly w it and it finally went away (ie, camera came on and worked well).

For me, tightening the battery pack and turning the camera on/off have been the solution...but there is no real logic I can find - just fiddling until it works.

I never thought about the lens, I will pay attention to that possibility...but mine is shorter (18-135) than the normal problem sizes.

I will keep better notes.

Has the experience been that it gets worse and worse til unusable and then send it in...or send it in as soon as recognize the problem?

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#54. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Gary as your warranty is almost over I would send it in. This will at least get your D80 a full check up and if the problem is not fixed but gets worse at least you can tell Nikon to fix it after the warranty expires.

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#55. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

My take on what I have read is that some cameras are affected worse the others but I have not seen any evidence that it get progressively worse as time goes by. In fact one or two old post stated the opposite. Several of the people with the worst problems seem to have had be really bad right from the start.

As Jim said it cant heart to send in the camera before your warranty expires. Nikon will do a full system check and fix anything that is beginning to fail or go out of spec. I am sure I have heard that your warranty is also extended by six months from the last repair date so a bit of down time could buy some extended warranty.

Keep an eye on the tightness of the battery pack and get some electrical contact cleaner (at radio shack or an auto parts store) and clean the contacts on the pack and in the camera. These cleaners usually come as an aerosol but don’t spray it onto the battery pack or into the camera just spray it onto a soft lint free cloth and wipe the contacts.

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#57. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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I sent my camera in for the 2nd time it took 3 weeks. I have taken a9 day trip and over 2,000 pictures. It did not happen again.

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#58. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Thanks for the update Francine!

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jmaass Silver Member Nikonian since 25th Jan 2004Sun 22-Jul-07 06:47 PM
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#59. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Powell, US
          

I use the 70-300mm VR lens more-or-less exclusively with my D80. The problem with the battery first appeared after about 7500 shots and 7 months of use.

I thought that it was two of my three batteries, but after reading this thread I found that I was able to make the problem go away by re-seating the lens when using any of my battery packs. The problem has recurred once since, it cleared once again by re-mounting the lens.


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#60. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Welcome to Nikonians Jeff!

I just sorry it is in a thread about this problem.

I’m also kinda bummed that it is happening with the 70-300VR. You’re the first to report this as one of the lenses used.

There really does not seem to be sure solution so. My hope is that we can help cope with / manage it well enough to still get out there and take pictures. Try to keep your contacts clean and make sure the lens is well seated and try to avoid unnecessary stress at the lens mount.

Keep us up to date if anything changes. Thanks!

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#61. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Kiawah Island, US
          

Just got off the phone with Nikon. Have a brand new D80 and an older D50. I had 3 spare batteries for the 50, all 3a models, that I thought I could use on the D80. He assures me that in addition to the 3e, the 3a will also work on the D80. Further, he said that the false reading issue occurs with the 3 and 3a batteries but not the 3e. This seems contradictory to everything I've read in Nikonians re the battery compatibilities and the false read issue. Am i missing something or was he?
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#62. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Tina,

I think he is mistaken about using the ENEL-3a in the D80.

The ENEL-3a is the black battery with only 2 contacts correct?

If so DO NOT put it in your D80 it WILL get stuck. The ENEL-3e has a notch that the earlier batteries don’t have and there is a piece of plastic in the battery slot (made to prevent old batteries from being used) that the battery will jam up on.
*** If you do get one stuck don’t panic we can tell you how to get it out. ***

They guy may just have the wrong info because they stopped using the old batteries and started shipping the “e’s” with the D50 so me either assumed they were compatible or has bad info.

>>> “he said that the false reading issue occurs with the 3 and 3a batteries but not the 3e” <<<

Here he is probably referring to a different known issue (they had a recall) with those older batteries.

From all the info we have gathered the issue discussed in this thread has nothing to due with the battery itself. The low battery indication is just a symptom of some other malfunction. It seems to be cause by a poor electrical connection that the cameras software misinterprets as a loss of battery power. Mine seems to come in conjunction with a regular error message most often.

BTW, have you had this issue? If so what lens and how persistent is it?

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#63. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Hi Dave, thanks. I asked him the same question about 10 different ways but he was POSITIVE you could use the 3a's in the D/80. Since I trust Nikonians more than Nikon I assumed you guys were correct and I just got a bad rep. Am only using the 3e in the D/80 but will now have to get a spare or two

I just received my D/80 today (when I said new, I really meant NEW!)
I took about 40 shots with my 70/200 VR just to test whether I got the error message and so far so good. I will let you know if it turns up.

Thanks for the response,

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#64. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Wow… Congratulations on the new camera your gonna love it and I think the odds are in your favor that this issue will not affect you.

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wburga Registered since 24th Jul 2007Wed 25-Jul-07 01:39 AM
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#65. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Dear Dave,

I am new in the Forum, and would like to greet you all. I have read you (and others,too) have done some great reaseach on this field. Congrats!!!

I need help or advice, as it might be related to the Battery problem....

I recently bought my second DSLR, the D80. I tried to mount my NIKKOR DX 18-135mm ED Zoom Lens, but the AF System does not work at all, and an error message "r07" appears in the screen and viewfinder. I have read that the e-contacts, between D80 body and lenses, seem to be "sensitive", and sometimes it can cause some problems. Any cleaning problems, maybe? I got a "Err-" message a couple of weeks ago, with this same lens, but re mounted the lens, and the problem got resolved.
I have tried to re-mount it several times now, but with no success so far. But, I have tried to mount other zoom lenses, and no problems show up. Would appreciate any comments or hints in this respect.

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#66. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Memphis, US
          

Wilhelm welcome to Nikonians.

Sorry to hear you are having a problem with your D80. First the r07 this is not an error code this is how many shots are left in the buffer. For example I have my D80 set to RAW when I press the shutter halfway down I see r06 this tells me I can take 6 shots before the buffer is full and has to write to the card. This will change with the size or quality of the shot ie JPEG Fine takes less space than RAW.

On to the ERR error this is an error code. Unfortunately this is a general error code and all the manual says if it persist call Nikon. But lets try a few things.

Now since your other lens work it could be that the AF-S motor is not functioning but lets try a few things I know they are basic but when all else fails what do we have to lose.

First if you know someone with any Nikon DSLR try your lens on that body or go to a store and see if they will let you try it on a demo body. If it does not work then the lens needs to be exchanged or off to Nikon for warranty work.

First ensure the lens is seated securely(by the way I have the same setup). Then make sure the A/M button is set to A. Plus make sure the D80's AF/M switch is set to AF. If all of this is good to go and still no autofucus we need to try and reset the default settings.

To do a two button reset see page 44 in the manual. This will set all the functions to factory specs.

If all else fails you can try the hard reset button see page 129 for this.

But again if the other lens are working this seems to be something with the lens.

If all this fails and the lens does not work on another body then you know its the lens if it works on another body and all of the above does not work I would call Nikon since this will be covered under warranty.

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#67. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Well, I took my D80 and my 18-200mm VR lens on a shoot on the Maine coast today. 3 FULL batterys. I only got 18 shots!!! The battery indicator kept showing a dead battery. I'm so mad I could scream!! Anyway, I'm thinking of selling the lens and getting a 70-300VR. My wife has a 70-300mm on a D50 that works fine....

Frustratred!

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#68. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Powell, US
          

Lee:

The condition doesn't clear for you if you power down the camera, re-seat the lens, and power it back up?

That works every time for me (with the 70-300mm VR lens). I've had it recur three times now, but with 500-750 shots in between.

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Didn't realize the 70-300VR lens was having the same problem. What a mess!

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#69. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Sorry to here you also have this frustrating issue. Yours sounds like it is particularly persistent. The persistence seems to very from user to user.

I can’t argue against the solution of selling the problem lens. This issue seems to be specific to specific lenses on specific cameras so your 18-200 could be fine on another D80. Up until Jmaass posted the 70-300VR has not been mentioned as a lens that has shown this issue. There is a relay good chance that getting a different lens could cause your issue to disappear completely.

If you do get rid of the lens please let us know just for our tracking.

In fact, for anyone having this issue, if getting a different lens (even if it’s a second sample of the same lens) is an option that’s what I would recommend. I know it is not always an option as is the case with mine the only comparable lens option to replace mine is big bucks. But for 18-200 owners you can still get good money for that lens and replace it with an 18-70 or 135 and 70-300 with out loosing a lot of money and laving you with at least as good image quality.

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#71. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Norwich, GB
          

On the subject of persistent DBS, I thought I would give an update on my own occurance.

I'm a D200 who is also suffering from DBS and previously posted on this forum after reading a post from member who was planning to replace his D80 with a D200 to escape DBS. I was requested to give an update, so here goes:-

I suffer from DBS when using a D200 with Sigma 300-800. Focus in the distance, then on something close. Repeat a couple of times and hello DBS. I initially sent in the D200 for repair. I got this back after 9 weeks, with the problem still present. I was loaned another new D200 for a week which showed the same symptoms so decided it was probebly a lens issue.

Next send the lens back to Sigma. I received this back today after 5 weeks with the work carried out:- repair circuit, reset, check & test. They cannot have tested very well as it took me less that 20 secs to get the DBS again.

When I sent the D200 in for repair I used the Lens on my D70 without any problem. When the Lens went back I used a Sigma 50-500 on the D200, again without problem. It seems to only be the D200 + 300-800 combination that gives the problem. I had used these for 9 months without any problems before DBS.

So that 14 weeks so far. What really annoys me is that I work for a mobile phone repair company. If we take more that 5 days to fix a customers £30 phone we get penalised. These camera companies take weeks or months to turnaround kit worth 10x or even 100x this amount and really dont seems to care.

  

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#72. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks for your update David.

>>It seems to only be the D200 + 300-800 combination that gives the problem.<<

This seems to be the norm for this issue it is specific to a single camera and a single lens. I have used 8 different lenses and it only happens with one specific lens.

By themselves neither the lens nor the camera are out of specification but together something must be just far enough out of alignment to cause the problem.

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#114. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Norwich, GB
          

Just an update to my D200 sigma 300-800 DBS.

Well after sending the Lens to sigma for the 2nd time, it has now been successfully repaired, and I am no longer a DBS sufferer.

The repair description was:-

Replace circuit, replace mount.

In total my equipment has been away for a total of 16 weeks to get this sorted, but it had become unusable near the end so there was no real choice.

Good luck to all other DBS sufferers.

  

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#73. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Hi,
I just went to a class (sponsored by the camera store from whom I bought the D80) taught by a Senior Technical Manager from Nikon. I asked him about this problem and he told me he was totally unaware about it. Perhaps something can be done to educate Nikon about this issue?

Thanks,

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#76. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

>>> Perhaps something can be done to educate Nikon about this issue? <<<

Unfortunately that is easier said then done.

We have posts that seem to indicate the some at Nikon are aware of this and other posts like yours were they seen not to.

Some of that could be because of the way the problem is reported and documented. In other words two cameras with this issue could be listed in their data base an have two different unrelated faults.

Another problem is that they can not document the issue if they don’t see it in their service center. So if the camera does not get sent in it doesn’t exist in the database. If a user send in the camera and the issue can not be reproduced by the service tech it can not be documented. This is an intermittent problem and some cameras go hundreds of image between episodes. Also a lot of those who send in the camera don’t send the lens with making it impossible for the service center to recreate the issue.

It also looks like the different regional service center probably don’t communicate with each other as well as they could. To make matters worse some people have their retailer take care of sending the camera in and they send it to a third party Nikon authorized repair center instead of Nikon themselves.

I feel there is a good chance that Nikon service does not know about or know how to fix this issue. Since the issue seems to be very lens/camera combo specific there very well be no universal “fix.” IMHO the fix would be to tighten the lens mount tolerance to eliminate any play that these larger lenses all seem to have.

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hi,
i am so glad i checked this site. i was getting so frustrated with the low battery lighting up, when i knew it wasn't. i have the d80 since september, the 18-200 vr lens, since february. everything was fine until a few days ago. i had the battery pack on, removed that thinking that was my problem. it wasn't!
i have just switches lenses, and it seems to be working better.
thanks for the info, i was all set to bring the camera to nikon.
it would have been the second time for this camera. first time, the little button for the flash came off, the camera was so new they didn't even have a part for it, so they just gave me a new camera.

roni

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#75. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Welcome to Nikonians Roni

Thanks for the info. Hopefully maybe your lens was just not seated well and it won’t come back. Clean your contacts and let us know if how things work out.

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#77. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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RoniChas
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thanks dave,
what is the best way to clean the contacts? i just used a cloth to wipe it. i will let you know if i have anymore difficulty. i tried it for a short time and it seemed to be working better,
roni

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#78. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

If you don’t have anything else dampen a cloth with some lens cleaner or alcohol. You can also find electrical contact cleaner at auto parts stores or radio shack. They are aerosol sprays so just spray some on a cloth, just make it damp, and wipe.

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#79. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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glen cove, US
          

RoniChas
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dave,
thanks again for the info. i do have some lens cleaner, i will try that.
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#80. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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glen cove, US
          

RoniChas
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hi,
i am very happy and relieved to report my camera is working well since, taking the lens on and off. i shot over 100 photos today with no problem at all.
thanks so much, i am so happy i found this site!
roni

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#81. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Well, that worked for me too. I took around 400 pictures at a parade. THEN, next time out, IT was back again....

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#82. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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glen cove, US
          

>Well, that worked for me too. I took around 400 pictures at
>a parade. THEN, next time out, IT was back again....
>
>Lee

hi lee,
yikes...have you returned the camera or the lens? do you just put the lens on and off? it is such a pain. i also have the d70s, never had any problem at all.
roni

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#83. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

No problem with my D50 and that lens. Nikon said to send in the lens and body and they'd check it out although the tech admitted they had no idea what the cause was. I'm debating sending them in or just selling the lens and getting 70-300mm VR lens. I've got to make a decision soon I guess.

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#84. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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glen cove, US
          

RoniChas
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i am confused, are you having the problem with the d80? i have the 18-200 vr lens. that is the one that was causing the problem. i also have the 80-200 f2.8 lens, but haven't had a problem with that. i haven't used it on the d80 to much, it pretty much lives on the d70s.
if i have the problem again, i might bring it to nikon.

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#85. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Yes, the problem I'm having is with the D80 and the 18-200mm VR Nikon lens.

  

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#86. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

So far this issue has only been reported with the D80 and the D200.

The vast majority this only happens with one particular lens. I have used 9 lenses on mine and only one causes the issue.

I bet your 80-200 will never show this problem on your D80 and no lens will on your D70. I would love to find two people who live near another who both have issue and both use the same lens, especially the 18-200, and have them trade lenses for a month. I think there is a good chance that the lens swap would solve the issue for at least on of the users.

This is why I think there may be no universal fix for this. The camera with any other lens works fine and the lens with any other camera works fine, witch one is defective? Neither, they are both probably in perfect working condition until they are put together. Most assume that if your camera shows the issue with their 18-200 that it will have the issue with any 18-200 but I don’t think that is the case. I believe that the problem is the marriage of a specific lens (not a specific type bu a single lens) to a specific camera body.

I also think that in your case since you have had the lens/camera combo for a wile with out issue reseating and cleaning things up may solve the problem. It seems that the severity varies quite a bit from user to user. Some people you can go hundreds of shots between episodes some get it every time they shoot. It has happened to me 4 times in almost 2 months each time separated by a lot of images.

For some people this is a problem that seriously hurts their shooting but for most it is really just a nuisance.

I also thing a lot of the people who reported this issue only had it happen once and never again and that’s why we never here back from them. None have ever put up their camera for sale here on the forum. So there is a good chance that you will never see this again.

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#87. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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RoniChas
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dave,
thanks for the summary and some clarification of the issue. i hope you are correct with my case. time will tell and i will continue to post updates.
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#90. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Portage, US
          

"So far this issue has only been reported with the D80 and the D200."
Dave - I have a D70 as well as a D80, so I look at that forum as well. This poster (link below) had what sounds like the same problem with a D70s.
http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID86/17955.html
I refered him here. In his last post he said that the shop was sending it off for him.
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#88. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Kiev, UA
          

Hi everybody! Thanks a lot for your experience! I'm so happy - I did fix my D80. Cleaning body/lens contacts did help!

I have 7 month old D80 + single Nikkor 18-200 VRII DX lens. I had similar problem for the first time during last 4 days (similar because I did not get empty battery error, I got problem with the status of the battery - on the top screen there was not battery icon and in the main menu item with battery information was inaccessible). When the problem occured I tried to replace 18-200 with Nikkor 18-55 DX lens (from D50 kit) - it did not help, the battery status also was not present. Turning camera on/off and replacing the battery also did not help.

After I founded this forum I cleaned contacts and my camera works now!

Thanks,
Have a nice shots!
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#89. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Welcome to Nikonians Sebi glad the fix worked. dm1dave has been keeping stats and it seems more and more it is a contact issue for most not everyone but most and a simple cleaning helps. I have not had an issue with the low battery problem but I change lens 3 or 4 times in a shoot. The wedding I did the other day I went back and forth with my 18-135DX and my 50 1.8 AF-D. I have a feeling that multiple lens changes has kept the oxidation and junk build up down on my contacts but I now make it a regular monthly PM along with blowing off my sensor with my rocket blower(a little 3M for you Dave).

Again Sebi glad it worked out for you and welcome to the D80 forum and Nikonians hope to see ya around more.

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#91. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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glen cove, US
          

I have a feeling that multiple
>lens changes has kept the oxidation and junk build up down
>on my contacts but I now make it a regular monthly PM along
>with blowing off my sensor with my rocket blower(a little 3M
>for you Dave).

hi jim,
could you go into some detail on how you clean your sensor? i don't want to do anything to mess up the camera....
thanks.
roni

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#92. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

3M aye, shipmate

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#93. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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In some ways I'm happy that I'm in good company with my battery issue, in some ways I'm unhappy that I chose Nikon with the expectation of rock solid goods. Having said that I love my D80 when it is working.

I live in Adelaide, Australia and purchased my D80 online from one of the largest Nikon dealers in New York. After paying duty I still saved money. However since the problem started I took the camera into the Nikon Authorised repairer who did see the same issues, even when he used his own battery. As my Nikon was purchased in USA he couldn't do anything without charging me. He also said that he'd need to send everything to Nikon so the hours spent could be substantial.

I have the original invoice, but I don't have the warranty card. Should I risk sending everything to Nikon USA risking further damage in transit? Also I hear that if all documentation isn't original then they'll more than likely just send it back asking for more documentation ... peoples advice would be appreciated. Back to the deails then:


How old is your camera? Bought it November 2006

Has this just happened once or is it an ongoing issue? Happens all the time - but intermittent.

Does it happen with any lens or only a specific one? I only have one lens the Nikkor 18-200 VR

Have you had any there error messages such as ERR, F-- or fEE? Yes F-- where it appears that the lens can't focus (because) it thinks the battery is too low?

Can you replicate the issue at will? If so how?
Not really.

I did follow the advice to try and reseat the lens mount when I got the error and this did solve the problem. My solution used to be turn the camera off and on which helped for a while. I agree with the general consensus here that it's probably the contacts and as I don't change the lens at all maybe the contacts weren't designed for this kind of use ... shame, but if cleaning the contacts works I won't send the camera back even though I am eligable for warranty repair ... Thanks in anticipation

JP


  

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#94. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks for your input and welcome to Nikonians JP.

If you do decide to send your camera to Nikon USA a copy of the invoice from your seller is all you need for warrantee service. In fact the camera body’s do not come with a warrantee card.

Check your inbox, I sent you something you may want to try.

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#129. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Kiev, UA
          

Hello everybody!
I'm back. Cleaning contacts did not help my camera - It started working normally but after several hours I had the same problem again. Next day I did bring my camera to the Nikon service and after 1 month I took it back. Again it started to work normally for several hours only. I have wasted 1 month and have not working camera. In a week I'm going to travel to Philippines for month and do not know what to do with my camera.

  

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#95. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Chalk me up as another victim of this one. My D/80 is only a month old. Had my first instance of the problem today. I was shooting with a 70-200 VR lens and a 1.7 TC. Got the low battery indicator. Unseated the lens and TC, then put them back on and the problem went away immediately. Hopefully this will not grow into a more serious issue. If the reseating fix works every time I will not send the camera back. Should I report to Nikon just so they have a record of yet another instance of the problem?

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#96. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Apparently quite a few owners are having the same issue that I'm having. I'm frustrated and relieved at the same time.

First of all, I'd like to thank everyone in this thread for all the inputs and specially Dave for his dedication and hard work of putting it together.

My D80 + 18-200mm VR is less than 2 months old and I first noticed this empty battery alert last week-end while shooting outdoor.
I was confused at the time because the battery was fully charged the night before and I only took about 50 shots. I then power reset the camera and everything came back to normal and it worked fine for the rest of the day. I took more than 300 shots on that day.
I haven't had the problem since and that was the first and only time.

I have a question though to every owner here. The way I use my camera while shooting outdoor is, turn on camera >> settings >> shoot >> walk to another angle and shoot >> turn off camera.
How do the other owners who experience the empty battery problem operate the camera?
MAYBE the reason why I only got it once because I turn on/off the camera frequently while I'm not using it?? Or does it have nothing to do with the issue??

Thanks


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#97. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Las Vegas, US
          

I added the 12-24mm Nikon lens, not long ago. The problem has not arisen with this lens, so far. So, of the three lenses I have (the 18-135mm that was bundled with the camera, the 18-200mmVR and the 12-24mm) the problem has only been with the 18-200VR. This appears to be a recurring combination in all of these discussions: the D80 and the 18-200VR.
I can also report no instance of false low-battery reading with the 18-200, since I took to dismounting the lens once a week, and cleaning the contacts. This seems a small price to pay for peace of mind. What a fabulous and versatile camera it is! I'm still learning about it.

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#100. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

>> This appears to be a recurring combination in all of these discussions: the D80 and the 18-200VR <<

The 18-200 does seem to be the lens this happens most with when talking about the D80. However this is also a D200 issue (I don’t have that stats) and over there some of the big pro lenses like the 70-200 & 200-400 in fact mine is a Sigma 120-300.

No matter what the problem lens is most users D200 & D80 only have the issue with a single lens and the 18-200 is probably the smallest lens that show the issue. I think there are two reasons that the 18-200 show up so much on the list. First it is a really popular lens. Second is that a lot of 18-200 users only have the one lens and some never remove it from the camera. The lens contacts are made to be connected and disconnected. If they are not then the electrical signal passing though can cause some oxidation to build up and cause poor contact. Also they are spring loaded and leaving them on the camera with the springs compressed could cause the springs to weaken.

I think anything you can do to keep the contacts in good shape and anything you can do to minimize the play between the camera and lens will help to prevent this issue form coming up.

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#99. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Hi Kun, Thanks for your input!

>>> How do the other owners who experience the empty battery problem operate the camera? <<<

I usually do not turn off the camera between shots. I will if I leave one shooting site to travel to another. But, I also have had the problem very infrequently.

I think there may be a chance that cycling the power, reestablishing the lens/camera communication, could help prevent this from coming up. The problem is that this is almost always an intermittent problem. Some users go hundreds of shots and week between instances and just a few have a more severe issue were it happens more frequently.

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#98. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Hey Tina,

Sorry to here you have this issue with that great lens. The common them here is that cycling the power or reseating the lens will always get the camera back to shooting. Most users can shoot quite a few shots, sometimes hundreds, before it happens again.

If this becomes a recurring problem for you let me know. I am experimenting with my own gear to try to eliminate the issue. If you continue to have the problem and are adventurous }> I may have an idea that can help but I don’t think it is ready for prime time. If it proves to work I will post it here for everyone.

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#101. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Kiawah Island, US
          

Sounds good Dave. Thanks, will keep you posted. I would have been really bummed if I hadn't seen this thread before the problem occurred. Love that Nikonians !

  

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#102. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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glen cove, US
          

RoniChas
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hi,
i shot over 100 shots last weekend, had no problem with the camera since i took the lens on and off.
here's hoping this solved the problem.
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#103. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Memphis, US
          

Roni I am so sorry I missed you asking me about how I clean my sensor.

I was actually serious about once a month I use the mirror lock up function and use a rocket blower to clean off my sensor. I find that doing this regularly keeps 99% of visible dust off the sensor and the Giotto's rocket blower works very well for this.

If I get stuck on gunk I use Eclipse2(yes I ordered the new stuff) and sensor swabs but in over a year and a half with my D50 and D80 each has only needed this once. I also check before important shoots if I need to clean off my sensor by shooting at the sky at infinity a f22. If needed I just use the rocket blower to get the stuff off.

See www.copperhillimages.com they have the products for sale and an excellent go by tutorial on this. Plus Thom Hogan also has an excellent write up see www.bythom.com hope this helps.


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#104. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Las Vegas, US
          

Change in housekeeping:
In the past, I have generally kept my favourite, or most useful lens, mounted on the body I was expecting to use. In this way, it was "ready for action". Given this issue with lens-mount contacts, I think I am going to reverse the habit and never put a body back in the case with a lens attached. This way, there will be no long-term lens-to-mount contact, no strain on the mount. Every time I use a camera, there will have been a fresh connection established.
It will be interesting to see if the problem ever recurs under this procedure. I'll report back.

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northga Registered since 16th Jan 2008Sun 12-Aug-07 09:27 PM
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#105. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Thank you Nikonians for this forum and thread.

I bought our D80 and VR18-200 Nikon lens in December 06 and have shot several thousand images.

The first probem I noticed was that the on-camera fill-flash would not fire when instructed. I then began having the low-battery problem about a month ago. It finally got so bad last week on vacation that we could only take one or two images before having to turn off/on the power switch. I have been living with this for a month. Errors were low battery, off, err, f--. Until reading this thread, I had assumed a battery problem and had cleaned those contacts but the problems continued.

After searching internet and reading this forum post, I took off the lens and cleaned both camera and lens contacts. The few images I have taken have been error free. I will send back to Nikon though, as I have an early model of both camera and lens - maybe new firmware or other component will help prevent this from reoccurring.
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#106. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Memphis, US
          

Thanks for the kind words Bob and welcome to Nikonians. Dave or dm1dave has been the point man on this he has done alot of testing. I think you will find the contacts are the problem and cleaning them probobly will solve the problem but I have not heard of anyone with a flash problem. I find when the batteries in my SB-600 are low I get strange problems but a fresh set always cures the problem, this also happens on my FM3a and D50 when the batteries are low on my SB-600. I found the Lithium Energizers work and last the longest.

I do agree with sending it bake to Nikon for a check up since you have an early model it is wise to get a full clean bill of health prior to your warranty expiring.

Keep us up to date. And again thanks welcome to Nikonians.

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KY River Rat Registered since 05th Feb 2006Sun 12-Aug-07 11:40 PM
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#107. "Update"
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Versailles, US
          

I had this problem with my new D80 in November. I simply would turn off and back on the power to make it go away. Since I mostly do wildlife photos, this has cost me some shot opportunities.

It occurred with either a Nikon 80-400 VR or Sigma 80-400 OS, even on a tripod with VR or OS turned off. It would occur daily at some point, 2 - 4 times while shooting a hundred or so shots.

I tried cleaning contacts, both lens and battery, no difference. I finally called Nikon and am sending it back tomorrow.

Anyone have a eta on turn around? I sure hate ot be without it, but it needs attention before the warranty is up.

  

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#108. "RE: Update"
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Lowden, US
          

I don’t know about turn around time but be sure to send in the camera and your 80-400. If you send only the body they are not likely to be able to reproduce the problem.

Give them details of what is happening and indicate that you think it is an issue with the lens contacts.

I think turn around times are usually relatively short unless they have to weight for some odd part.

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gakirby Registered since 30th Jun 2007Tue 14-Aug-07 07:57 PM
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#109. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Madison, US
          

Hi,

This just started happening with my new D80 (month old) last week when I was on a sailboat for a week so I hadnt a chance to check nikonians for other people with my issue but apparently there are quite a few.

Relevant Information...

My D80 is just over a month old and I purchased it new from KEH

This happens sporatically. Sometimes it will happen before every shot I try to take and some times it will work properly for 50 shots or so before presenting a problem. I feel like when I was taking panoramic shots of NYC last week at night I never had an issue with it.

I have one lens and that is the Nikon 18-200mm f3.5-5.6 VR

Occasionally I have been getting an "ERR" message, in which case I am able to continue shooting one or two more shots before I realize that I am not seeing previews of these shots because they were not stored to the memory card.

I have not been able to replicate the issue nor have I really tried, it happens by itself more than enough as it is

Hope this might help someone,

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jeprox Registered since 02nd Aug 2007Tue 14-Aug-07 09:25 PM
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#110. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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CA
          

my D80 is about 2 weeks old. everything great and last night, i got this supposedly Nikon battery from ebay which turned out to be fake.
i charged up the batt to full, tried it and it was ok for the first 2 mins. or so. after that, low batt started flashing. removed the batt and charged it for 1-2 mins. put it back into the camera and everything is fine.

note: never happened with the original batt. that came with the camera.

maybe the ones with similar problems are using fake batts.? just a thought. maybe check your batt. to make sure it's real.
http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin/nikonusa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=8119#1

  

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misterlee Registered since 26th May 2007Tue 14-Aug-07 09:28 PM
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#111. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

I've got 3 batteries. All real.

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#112. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks for your post.

A fake battery probably could be the issue for some users. It is defiantly something worth checking.

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857 Registered since 23rd Aug 2007Thu 23-Aug-07 12:00 PM
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#115. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Stockholm, SE
          

Hello Everybody,

stumbled upon this forum while searching for an explanation to this specific issue, so thanks for not making me feel lonely.

Got exactly the same problem w/ the Nikon 18-200 VR mounted. Started acting weird last weekend, having the battery "die" intermittently on me while shooting.

Reported the issue to Nikon (Sweden) yesterday and their solution for me was to do a "hard" reset, and if that didn't fix things, send it in for repair. To me that seems like the equivalent of computer support asking you to restart you computer.

The upside to that was me finding this place. You guys appear to have zeroed in on the problem to a far greater extent than Nikon support seems to.

Will try some of the tips I've got from here, and report back.

Cheers
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857 Registered since 23rd Aug 2007Fri 24-Aug-07 07:57 AM
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#116. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Stockholm, SE
          

Reporting back with my findings.

Exactly as stated here, I could find a fraction of play between the lens and body. Holding down the trigger halfway and applying ccw (same direction as mounting the lens) pressure on the lens, I could easily replicate the problem every time.

After removing and remounting the lens, I could no longer make the battery "die" at will.

In my opinion this only confirms what you guys already concluded, namely that this problem occurs as a result of minor misalignments between lens and body.

Please observe this was all done fairly quickly, and it still remains to be seen if the problem will reoccur down the line.

Thanks again for putting me on the right track, and at least for the moment solving the problem. If I had only relied on Nikon support, i would have been at a complete loss at this moment.

Cheers
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#117. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks for posting!

At least now you have an idea of what is going on with the camera. For a lot of users this problem does not happen often and it is no more then an annoyance.

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#118. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Glastonbury, US
          

I recently got a new D80 and I am experiencing this issue.

How old is your camera? 2 months

Has this just happened once or is it an ongoing issue? ongoing

Does it happen with any lens or only a specific one? Nikon 18mm-135mm, Tamron 70mm-300mm

Have you had any there error messages such as ERR, F-- or fEE? No

Can you replicate the issue at will? If so how? No


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curlykale Registered since 27th Aug 2007Tue 28-Aug-07 09:12 AM
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#119. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Newtownabbey, GB
          

Count me in too!
I've only just joined Nikonians and am relieved to see that I'm not alone with this problem. I have the D80 with an 18-200vr which I bought in late December 2006. The camera was fine for a couple of months and then the battery issue began. It is very intermittent but very annoying as I have lost a lot of photo opportunities. I had to shoot a wedding recently and always had my finger poised at the off/on switch and yes- I did have to use it. It is now coming into Autumn so I do not want to send it off to Nikon Europe just yet. I will try tightening the contact between the camera and lens. Having read all of the posts, it is quite clear that this is a big issue and I feel that Nikon have done nothing to address this issue. If this was a car and the battery cut out, there would be a massive recall but because no one is going to get killed over this camera issue, I feel that Nikon are just sitting on their hands.
I have just left Canon and have no allegiance to any company. They are only as good as their products and if they get shoddy or don't produce a decent all in one lens (Canon), I'll move on. Apart from the battery issue, I love the camera and my 18-200vr!

  

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StarlightNo1 Registered since 28th Aug 2007Tue 28-Aug-07 03:23 PM
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#120. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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I have bought my D80 in april this year. It came with a Nikon 18-135mm AF-S DX Nikkor (kit) lens.

Two moths ago i bought a Nikkor Zoom lens AF-S DX VR 18-200mm and have used it without a problem until two weeks ago. I have exacly the same problem as described in this post.

Some details:

* Fitted the lens only once
* My camera worked fine with the 18-135
* Have charged the battery only 7 times
* Always used it very carefully and in normal weather.
* The problem occured after totally exausting my battery and recharching it over night.

I phoned Nikon in the Netherlands and asked them if they knew this problem. They told me several camera's came in but they could't solve the problem. They asked me to send in the camra with the battery since the other ones where all send in without batteries.

Tonight i'm going to clean all the contacts, i'll report back when i have some more news....


  

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peter645865 Registered since 25th Aug 2007Wed 29-Aug-07 03:47 PM
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#121. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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GB
          

One more to add to the list. I am glad to read that I am not alone with the problem and that others appear to have come to the same conclusions.
I purchased D80 and 18-200 VR in June this year.
All worked ok for about 3 weeks then low battery indication shows without warning and clears after a few seconds of pressing the exp.button. Battery was fully charged.
The same problem occurs several days later with the result as the first time.
The problem then gets more frequent and would show after about ten minutes shootng every time the camera was used. It needs to fixed!!
Suggestions from dealer and Nikon "Try another battery and return for service if problem still present".
New battery does not cure problem.
Being an engineer with a service background I was reluctant to send the camera for repair with an intermittent fault without some pointers for the workshop to work with.
After several hours of testing and observation it was apparent that the fault lay in the lens body coupling.
Error F-- was also observed.
The lens was removed and the both the lens and camera contacts cleaned.
The problem has not re-occured now for several weeks. I keep my fingers crossed.
As I have been using only one lens it had not been removed more than a couple of times. My guess is the contacts have very low pressure and have a film of contamination on them form production that was not being wiped away with the normal lens removal and attachment.






  

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#122. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

I cleaned the all the contacts on my D200, lenses, and batteries using "Deoxit" and have not had a problem since. I'm hoping this fixed it, time will tell.

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rainbow eyes Registered since 22nd Jul 2006Fri 31-Aug-07 08:01 AM
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#123. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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NL
          

Same story here, since I cleaned the contacts, by the way just with a soft cloth, there haven't been any problems for me either (D80 + 70-200VR + TC17EII).

  

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baileyandtina Registered since 08th Jan 2006Fri 31-Aug-07 12:05 PM
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#124. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Kiawah Island, US
          

I guess I don't understand why, if this problem is so well-known and well documented, Nikon is not saying or doing anything about it. As much as I love Nikonians, I'm sure there are many D/80 users who are not members that are struggling with this. Any thoughts on how we can drive Nikon to do the right thing on this; ie create a real fix and notify users? After all, we're all paying top dollar for their products, partly because of their quality reputation.

  

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#125. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

It is only well documented on the internet. Nikon needs to have cameras in their repair centers and be able to replicate and repair the problem in order to have reliable documentation. Unfortunately most people are not sending their cameras in and when someone sends one in the shop is not able to see the problem first hand so it goes undocumented. The few that have been repaired by Nikon all had different repairs so Nikon repair probably does not see them as related.

Long internet threads are not a reliable way to judge the scope of a problem like this. We are about a week or so from the one year birthday of the D80 and we have about 85 reports of this issue here on this forum. Judging from other issues, the overexposure drew more users within a month or so, this affects only a small amount of cameras.

Another thing to consider is that a universal repair for this issue may not be possible. For example my D80 works perfectly with 10 other lenses most likely the camera is within specs. How do you fix the camera for one specific lens without possibly causing problems with other lenses. My solution in post 116 is applied to the lens not to the camera.

The way to drive Nikon on this is to send in your camera and lens. If you can replicate the problem at will tell them how so tat they can see the problem first hand. If the gear comes back and you still have the problem you need to send it in again. The only thing that will get Nikon to respond is if the see this issue first hand over and over again.

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misterlee Registered since 26th May 2007Fri 31-Aug-07 02:22 PM
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#126. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

I sold my D50 when I got my D80 and really can't be without it for long for business reasons. Dunno what I'm going to do. Last several weeks it's worked fine BUT you never know....

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#127. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

There are a lot of users like you that do not want to do without their camera for a wile. I feel that this issue is just an annoyance, kind of like your computer hanging, that is easily resolved by flipping the power switch. As long as it is not happening constantly it is really not worth the bother of trying to get it fixed.

Don’t let this annoying issue get to you just go out and shoot and deal with it when it happens.

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#128. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Bethlehem, US
          

>There are a lot of users like you that do not want to do
>without their camera for a wile. I feel that this issue is
>just an annoyance, kind of like your computer hanging, that
>is easily resolved by flipping the power switch. As long as
>it is not happening constantly it is really not worth the
>bother of trying to get it fixed.
>
>Don’t let this annoying issue get to you just go out and
>shoot and deal with it when it happens.

Dave,

I have been following these threads and I have had a D80 for about 5 months. I like the camera a lot and have not had problems with it. It does seem like a lens contact issue and it seems to cause a drain to the battery resulting in a false low indication. I think the good news is that there are not that many people affected by it. Allcameras have issues, even though they usually work great. The D70 with BGLOD and the D200 Banding affected many more cameras. I like the fact that Nikon provides great support if there is a problem.

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#130. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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glen cove, US
          

RoniChas
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well after about a month, i had the problem again. fortunately, i just removed/replaced the lens and it works fine. i just wiped off the mount with a dry cloth. when i get a chance, i will do a better job of cleaning it.
roni

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iShrank Registered since 05th Sep 2007Wed 05-Sep-07 08:13 AM
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#131. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Tokyo, GB
          

Hi...

I have a D80 and 18-200 VR and occasionally get the same problems already mentioned here, though I thought it was actually getting worse recently, which is what brought me to Nikonians... to see how isolated the problem might be.

Fortunately, the problem has now abated, though reading this thread, it all seems very coincidental the way it arises user-by-user and what cures it. For what it's worth, the following actions all preceded my D80s new found air of confident functioning:

• I changed from a silk knee-length summer dress to a shorter cotton skirt and t-shirt.
• I took to wearing my hair up with a metal croc clip instead of in a nylon-banded pony.
• I re-mounted the 18-200 lens, noticing at the same time, around the camera lens mount a very faint film of what appeared to be greasy moisure, not surprising considering the unusually high heat and humidity this summer in Tokyo. I gently wiped this sweaty coupling (am I allowed to say that?) with a lens cloth and a dab of ethanol.

Yes I know, it's almost impossible to say which helped the most, if any, but to be on the safe side, I'm not changing my clothes or washing my hair until the weather gets cooler.

Oh yes... it's just a thought... but the guy at the shop where I bought my camera and lens (Yamada Denki) expressed some dismay (unqualified, I might add) at Nikon's Thai built products. It may simply be the usual Japanese distrust of Japanese branded goods made 'elsewhere', but I wonder what percentage of this D80 error occur in Thai-made cameras and lenses compared to Japanese ones.
Hmm.. like I said, just a thought.

Nina

  

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#132. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

I’m not sure but the skirt and tee shirt may have been the key change here.

I think you are correct about the “usual Japanese distrust of Japanese branded goods made 'elsewhere'” as ALL D80 bodies are made in Thailand I believe all 18-200’s are also made there.

P.S. This is the best post in this entire thread. I am glad that you have such a good sense of humor! Tracking the discussion of this issue is more frustrating then dealing with the actual problem with the camera.

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#134. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Tokyo, GB
          

>I’m not sure but the skirt and tee shirt may have been the
>key change here.

Yes... I'm glad someone else agrees the "err" and "off" messages DO NOT refer to the camera's functioning, but are fashion warnings. The fake low charge on the battery is just the camera's way of saying "Darling, there's no way you're going to take me out looking like THAT!" Always check that what you are wearing compliments your expensive equipment!

>I think you are correct about the “usual Japanese distrust
>of Japanese branded goods made 'elsewhere'” as ALL D80
>bodies are made in Thailand I believe all 18-200’s are also
>made there.

Not sure about the bodies, but there are Japanese made 18-200s... or there were. But as waiting lists for them here are open ended, and even the Thai version is constantly out of stock, I considered myself fortunate in grabbing one of three Thai-made lenses that the shop had just received that morning.
But isn't it just gorgeous! The D80/18-200 is a real Catherine Zeta-Jones of a combination. I mean, I used to get weak-kneed over my F3/35-135, but this is beyond the physical... 'sigh.'
It's a girl thing.

  

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#133. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Memphis, US
          

First welcome to Nikonians and I have to say your post brought a big smile to my face!

Hope your D80 continues to function 100%. Jim

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#135. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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I have two D80's that are 4 months old. I wanted to have two bodies so that I would not have to change lenses too much. One has the 18-135 that it came with and the other has the 70-300 on it. Niether camera has had a problem until today. Two weeks ago I rented the 80-200 f/2.8. Amazing lens. Then this weekend I wanted to compare it to the 70-200 2.8 VR. After using it for a half day, ..you know it....camera lock up with a low battery indicator. (I have the MD-80 Grip). I was shocked. I turned it off and back on and the inticator showed full. A few minutes later..POW ! There it was again. For the next 20 minutes shooting a soccer game, I got frustrated and went home. I will take it off the body and clean the contacts. Maybe cause it is rental. I will try to duplicate it again. Stay tuned. But as a side note. I like the 80-200 f/2.8 better so far. When i would let go of the focus button, it would look like the lense fell out of place while looking through the viewfinder. Then when I half pressed the shutter button again, it would pop back. I guess it is the VR going in and out of working mode. I hated it.

  

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#136. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Powell, US
          

>After using it for a half day, ..you know it....camera lock
>up with a low battery indicator. (I have the MD-80 Grip). I
>was shocked. I turned it off and back on and the inticator
>showed full. A few minutes later..POW ! There it was again.
>For the next 20 minutes shooting a soccer game, I got
>frustrated and went home. I will take it off the body and
>clean the contacts. Maybe cause it is rental. I will try to

Given the clues and evidence reported here, turning the camera off and back on is not a good field expedient to resolve the issue.

The evidence suggests that you should turn the camera off, un-seat the lens, re-seat it, and turn the camera on. This will wipe the contacts a bit and, in my eperience, resolves the problem for a long-ish while (days or weeks). Certainly long enough for a soccer game to complete (but maybe not long enough to see a score)!


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#137. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

It would be interesting to see if the problem would continue if you took the rental lens and exchanged it for another.


>> When i would let go of the focus button, it would look like the lense fell out of place while looking through the viewfinder. Then when I half pressed the shutter button again, it would pop back. I guess it is the VR going in and out of working mode. <<

That is in fact the VR engaging and disengaging. It can take some getting used to but VR can be a really nice feature to have. Although if you mainly shoot sports or other subjects with high shutter speed you may not benefit much from the VR.

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#138. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Update with 70-200 f/2.8 VR rental:
My friend owns a company that make "Contact Cleaner" made for the computer industry and available at any electronics store. It is made to clean contacts with fast evaporation and zero residue. I turned off the camera and took off the lens. I sprayed some on a Q-tip and rqan a few laps around the body ring and the lens ring. Both were very dirty as evident by looking at Q-tips that were black from dirt. I but the 70-200 back on with a firm snap. I went out and shot 300 pictures with no problems. I put it on a tripod and just held down the shutter...nothing. Different modes.....nothing, 70mm,200mm, all apperatures, single exposures, turned it on then off.....nothing. I tired everything that I could think of to duplicated it and nothing. Perhaps at the end of the day, the only thing I can conclude with reading every post, is that these bigger lenses are picky and you have to have clean mounting rings and clean contacts. Sounds dumb I know. But perhaps I should keep some sterile alcohol wipes with me and take a quick pass when I am changing lenses from now on. And yes to Dave. I will have to get used to VR. Still deciding between the 80-200 and the 70-200. Either way, I know it won't be a bad decision. Take care

  

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#139. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Memphis, US
          

Having looked at all the posts it seems about 75% respond to cleaning the contacts and the size and amount of juice the larger VR/AF-S/HSM(Sigma AF-S) lens draw seems that they are in fact more picky on contact we have seen a few D200 users come across this to and a very close friend said her D2H sometimes gets this if the contacts are filthy.

As far as the 80-200 vs the 70-200VR thought the VR is considered better I had the older 80-200 AF-D 2.8(it was stolen) and it was a great lens so I would agree its a win win but I have the 70-300VR and love the VR on this lens because it has no tripod ring and the VR makes hand holding a joy!

Thanks for the follow up.

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#140. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Calgary, CA
          

I am another sufferer of the problem. I originally had a Tamron 28-300 and the D80 couldn't provide enough power for the lens so that the lens was recognized as being there. Now, I have the Nikon 18-200VR lens. If I run in any of the scene modes, then the problem does NOT happen. If I am running in S,A,M mode and have the camera on for a while, then sometimes it will give me the battery exhausted symbol. As others state, turning the camera off and immediately back on fixes the problem.

  

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#141. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

Okay, I got my Camera in June 2007 with the 18-135mm kit lense. Love the camera, and decided to get the all in one wonder (18-200mm) lens. Then all the sudden I get the battery problem with this lens. This is one annoying problem and I have missed plenty of great shots cause of it.
Sent my camera into Nikon with my warranty and they have had it a week now. I will give you more info once I get it back.

I love the D80 and hope it gets fix!


Ho



  

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#142. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Thanks for posting. Let us know what Nikon has to say about it.

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#143. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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GB
          

Hi,
Have only had my D80 & 18-200 lens for 4 months; has recently started to lock up on low battery when battery is full. Camera will quite happily take app. 1 shot /sec using flash and will then refuse to take any more, brings up error F--. Switching off and on seems to temporarily cure this. Annoyed as camera and lens cost in excess of £1000.00 GBP.

  

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#144. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

The F-- error is defiantly a lens alignment / communication problem. If this continues you should really send both camera and lens in to Nikon service because there may be a problem with the lenses electronics. Most people who report this battery issue don’t get the F-- error they usually only get a dead battery indication and/or an ERR message.

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vkam Registered since 30th Sep 2007Sun 30-Sep-07 10:11 PM
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#145. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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I think problem with battery low indicator can be explained easily.
Look at the poor design of the battery compartment and battery pins. I have D200, did not look at other cameras.

2 edge pins for main current and middle one - probably for battery indicator. Left and right pins contact with battery's back metal plates, but the central one contacts with the top plate. And this is the problem. Not sure about original design, but this is what I see on mine.

If battery is pushed to hard, this central contact made from softer material compare with others, bends and loses contact or have bigger resistance than it should be. Result - the problem that you see.
If the left or right pin loses a contact, camera just does not work.

I tried to investigate the problem putting the scotch on contacts and see the result. My camera still works.

Advise to those who is on site with this problem. Try to put piece of paper under the battery, it might fix the problem temporary.


  

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#146. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Paignton, GB
          

Welcome to Nikonians!

>2 edge pins for main current and middle one - probably for
>battery indicator. Left and right pins contact with
>battery's back metal plates, but the central one contacts
>with the top plate.

That is incorrect. The middle contact in the camera is a different shape, but it still touches the battery contact in the same way as the outside two camera contacts.

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mrbillyho Registered since 22nd Sep 2007Mon 01-Oct-07 11:38 AM
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#147. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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US
          

I don't think you are correct! Most people seem to have this problem once they upgraded their lens to the 18-200mm or a couple of other VR Lenses... at least it was with me and few other I have read about.



  

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vkam Registered since 30th Sep 2007Mon 01-Oct-07 12:33 PM
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#148. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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I cannot catch this problem on mine, it happened once.
This assumtion could be check by moving battery up and down when camera has this problem and it is on.

I could not find traces of the middle pin on my batteries at the back plate, which is higher than others.

D200, bought in February 2007,
Problem was registered with 70-200VR




  

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#149. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Paignton, GB
          

>I could not find traces of the middle pin on my batteries at
>the back plate, which is higher than others.

Like I say, the end of all three battery contacts is where they touch the camera's contacts. My batteries have marks on all three contacts in this position. Marks on the back of the outer two contacts are from the battery charger.

If you're interested in proving this, do what I did...

Cut some small pieces of insulating tape, and first stick them to the back of the three battery contacts; the battery will still work in the camera. Then put the tape on the end of the contacts; the camera will no longer detect the battery.

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#150. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

As mrbillyho said it is unlikely that this is actually a problem with the battery or battery contacts.

Most users with this issue only see it with one particular lens connected to the camera. On mine I have shot with 9 or 10 lenses and the problem only happened with one specific lens attached.

The issues seem to be related to poor or intermittent contact between the camera and lens. More then one user including myself has been able to replicate the problem at will by twisting the lens wile locked onto the camera body. One of the first symptoms I see when I induce the problem is that the aperture value, AF setting and other LCD info will begin to flicker. Then I will ether get a dad battery indication or an error message.

The solution that has worked for me is posted in post #116 above. I have used the that camera and lens combo rigorously since and have not had any reoccurrence of this issue or any other error message.

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#151. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Kiawah Island, US
          

I reported the problem with my D/80 using the 70-200 VR. Have since purchased the 18-200 DX and had the problem again. In both cases the issue only happened once and it was immediately corrected by either re-attachment of the lens or by turning the camera off and back on. If the solution in #116 is really a good one, couldn't we just send the info to Nikon and have them develop and offer a no-charge fix that's basically a gasket that fits correctly between the lens and the camera?

still love the camera AND the lenses!


  

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Andy T Registered since 16th Jan 2008Tue 02-Oct-07 10:27 PM
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#152. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Sydney, AU
          

Hi all,

Just wanted to say a big thanks to Dave for his help on this issue!

I have D80 with the 18-200 vr which worked fine for about 5 months. After travelling for a month- camera got a solid workout, the 'dead battery syndrome' started happening. At first it was only a couple of times per 100 shots. Towards the end of the trip it occurred after every single shot! I just had to turn the camera off and back on.

Previously I thought it must be a battery contact problem and I had cleaned them, readjusted the pins etc to no avail!

Last night, after reading the advice on this forum thread, I took the lens off for the first time in a few months and cleaned the contacts with some metho spirits and a soft cloth. Guess what? It fixed the problem! Hasn't re-occurred after about 50 shots last night.

Cheers,
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#153. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Lowden, US
          

Hi Andy welcome to Nikonians!

I’m glad to here we were able to help. If the 18-200 is your only lens you should remove it from the body every once in a wile even if you just release it turn it and then reseat it. This will help keep oxidation from forming on the contacts. I think a lot of the 18-200 owners with this issue leave the lens on the camera all the time and when oxidation builds up the electrical signals are disrupted and the camera miss reads this as a low battery charge.

There is a chance that the problem will reoccur but now that you know what is happening you can keep it from getting as bad as it did this time.

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#154. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – I'm reporting this p"
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Frederick, US
          

Q.
How old is your camera?
A.
11 months / D80

Q.
Has this just happened once or is it an ongoing issue?
A.
This initial F-- problem started this past August 2007 after aquiring a used AF-S 300mm f/2.8 telephoto version 1 lens but has been replaced with the low battery problem in the past week.

Q.
Does it happen with any lens or only a specific one?
A.
Only with the 300 f/2.8 AF-S so far. Initially I thought the problem was the lens since I got F-- on the display and after cleaning the contacts and remounting the lens the problem went away for the most part. My other lenses did not exhibit the F-- error. About a month later - September 2007 I started using the 300/2.8 lens more frequently with the lens mounted on a monopod. I was doing more rotating of the camera orientation from portrait to landscape and back with the camera mounted to the 300 lens. This rotating is via the lens collar while the lens remained on the monopod - obviously stressing the camera mount more than not rotating it, previous 300mm lens work was all portrait style.

Q.
Have you had any there error messages such as ERR, F-- or fEE?
A.
I have had the F-- initially, again ONLY with the Nikon 300mm 2.8 AF-S lens. In the past week the problem with this lens/camera seems to be just the battery low error instead of F--. Again remounting the lens resolved the problem each time (f-- or battery low). Nikon service asked to try the 300 AF-S lens on another camera body - which was without error but only a 15 minute test.

Another thing that happens from time to time is the AF-S focus on the 300 does not engage and I have to turn off the camera and unmount/remount the lens even just a short twist and turn the camera back on to get the focus to work again. If I leave the power on the unmount/remount does not always fix the focus problem.

Q.
Can you replicate the issue at will? If so how?
A.
I can't repeat the problem on every attempt but I can make it happen within an hour or so.

I have also had to tighten the screws to the metal lens camera mount because they started to work themselves loose, three were protruding making dismounting my 70-200 2.8 VR lens difficult to say the least, I thought something was terribly wrong when this occured.

I am not sure where this will end up as I have a D300 on order and a very used D80 at the moment with over 30K clicks so far.

  

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#155. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – I'm reporting this p"
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US
          

Nikon has shipped my Camera back, I will let you know soon...... Hopefully!!


Ho


  

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#156. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – I'm reporting this p"
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Las Vegas, US
          

Here are my latest thoughts:

i) I have three Nikon lenses, 18-135, 18-200VR, 12-24.
The errors have only occured with the 18-200VR.

ii) No errors have occured with any lens since I adopted the procedure I mentioned a while ago: I no longer put the camera back in the bag with a lens attached. As a result, every time I use my D80 a fresh contact has been made between the lens and the camera body.

This seems to support the current thinking, that the problem is restricted to the larger lenses, and is indeed a contact issue.

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#157. "RE: False Low Battery Indication – PART THREE"
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Glenview, US
          

I've had the false 'low battery' warning about 4-8 times over the past 60 days.

I bought my D80 in December 2006 with the 18-135mm lens. I do not recall any problems with that lens. In June of 2007 (~90 days ago) I bought the 18-200 VR lens. I noticed my first false warning in August while shooting my kids soccer camp outdoors. I have noticed it several times, randomly, since then.

Two things that I have noted: (1) It seems to happen quickly when I put in a freshly charged battery and (2) It seems to happen more when I have the 800 Speedlight attached and operating. I'm not sure if that is just pure coincidence.

The only thing I have done to correct is to turn the camera OFF then ON again and the warning goes away.

I never thought muc