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martin cohn Registered since 12th Apr 2006Fri 11-Aug-06 09:16 PM
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"D80 or D200?"



          

Is the D200 worth the extra $700.00?

  

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fspeeder Registered since 06th Jan 2005Fri 11-Aug-06 10:13 PM
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#1. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Barrington, US
          

Depends on your needs:

Support manual focus

MLU

5 fps

Better body construction

Weather seals

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jim_h Registered since 11th Jul 2006Sat 12-Aug-06 02:20 PM
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#11. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Please explain what you mean by "supports manual focus" - obviously I can manually focus my D70, what is the difference with the D200?

  

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sfbillm Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jun 2004Sat 12-Aug-06 04:16 PM
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Santa Fe, US
          

>Please explain what you mean by "supports manual focus" -
>obviously I can manually focus my D70, what is the
>difference with the D200?


The D200 will meter in certain modes with manual focus AI and AI-S lens. The D70/70s and D80 will not.


SantaFeBill

  

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maciek Registered since 01st Nov 2005Fri 11-Aug-06 10:21 PM
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#2. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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PL
          

>Is the D200 worth the extra $700.00?

If you have to ask probably it is not worth it

  

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John Garth Registered since 10th Jun 2006Fri 11-Aug-06 11:03 PM
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#3. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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No one can answer that ..... you're just looking to have someone justify buying a D200. You have to work that out for yourself.

  

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martin cohn Registered since 12th Apr 2006Fri 11-Aug-06 11:13 PM
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#4. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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I guess it's too early to tell, since no one has used one yet!

  

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martin cohn Registered since 12th Apr 2006Fri 11-Aug-06 11:16 PM
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#5. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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I have a feeling the D80 will be the better camera, the D70 turned out to be better than the D100.

  

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Nostromo Registered since 29th Apr 2006Sat 12-Aug-06 01:06 AM
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#6. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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The D80 will not be better than the D200
The D200 will not be better than the D80
Niether will be better than the D50

Every camera has it's strengths. I know people with a D2X using a D5o for some applications due to the D50's noise control. A D2H has less resolution, but also small files that can be processed faster. If the D80 has better image quality by some small margin, it still won't shoot at 5 FPS...not ever.
The word "pro" applies better to lenses that it does to bodies. Spend the money on the glass and any DSLR will reward a skilled photographer.

Sam

  

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hlk Registered since 31st Oct 2005Sat 12-Aug-06 03:08 AM
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Perth, AU
          

>> Niether will be better than the D50. <<
>> I know people with a D2X using a D5o for some applications due to the D50's noise control.<<

Is D-50 so good in compare to D2x & D200 at noise reduction?

WOW...

Never heard that before.

  

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radiostar Registered since 25th Jul 2006Sat 12-Aug-06 07:13 AM
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#9. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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London, GB
          

excellent advice!

  

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Adam Basic MemberSat 12-Aug-06 04:51 AM
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#8. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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n/a, GB
          

I have a feeling the D80 will be the better camera, the D70 turned out to be better than the D100.

Of course the D70 was better, it was launched 3 years after the D100. That is a LOT of water under the bridge in terms of digital technological advances.

Will the D80 be a technologically better camera following so hard on the heels of the D200 and incorporating so many D200 features? - unlikely.

Don't get me wrong though. The D80 will be a great camera and getting hold of one will be nigh on impossible

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LastQuark Registered since 28th Mar 2006Sun 13-Aug-06 11:20 PM
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#15. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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The word "better" is a relative term. It depends on which feature is better for you.

I have weigh the pros and cons of the D80 and D200. In the end, I will go with the camera with a better noise performance. The D80 may miss some of the shots taken by D200. Eg, faster focusing, faster shuuter speed, faster fps, etc. For my style of shooting high ISO performance is very important.

The D80 may very well outperform the D200 in this regard. There is almost 1 year difference between both cameras and Nikon engineers must have learned something new. It is still wait and see, though. Nikon put in a 12-bit ADC processing engine that we do not know yet how it will perform.


  

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scw2wi Registered since 03rd Jan 2006Sat 12-Aug-06 11:43 AM
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#10. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Vienna, AT
          

................. D80 ............. D200
Delay......... 80 ms ........... 50 ms
Matrixfields .. 420 ............. 1005
Nr. of RAW .... 6 ............... 22
@fps ............ 3 ............... 5

These are only some technical comparison data,
there may be many more.

  

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anyholt Registered since 21st Jul 2004Wed 16-Aug-06 07:28 PM
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#18. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Houston, US
          

>I have a feeling the D80 will be the better camera, the D70
>turned out to be better than the D100.

Martin, I see what you mean about the D70 being better than the D100. It was more of a consumer-quality camera, but it had some newer technologies (iTTL, electronic shutter, image rotation, better JPEG engine, etc.) that really made it a more enjoyable camera to use.

However, I have to say that the D80 WILL NOT be better than the D200. It borrows some of the D200 features, and waters-down some of them, while adding NO NEW technologies that dont' already exist in the D200.

That being said, one needs to get the camera that is right for him or her. The D80 looks like it will be a great camera for the money, but it is missing some key features that I have to have. However, most people don't need these features, so the D80 will be a fantastic camera for them.

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Philip66 Basic MemberSat 12-Aug-06 05:05 PM
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#13. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Yes.

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cecat90 Registered since 11th Aug 2006Sun 13-Aug-06 11:02 PM
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#14. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Folsom, US
          

I dont think there exactly one right answer, People will always PREFER one over the other. But i think that the most important issue will be the lenses. But as far as camera is.........we'll have to wait and see exactly what the D80's weaknesses are compared to the D200 in person.

  

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gilpen123 Registered since 03rd Nov 2005Mon 14-Aug-06 03:18 AM
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#16. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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For me being able to use the D200 with my seizable prime MF lenses is good enough to consider the D200 or even the D2X. Primes are faster than any zoom and is very useful in low light shoots. I would have very good use of my 50 1.2 AI and 35 1.4 AI-S with the D200 and D2x.

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Digital Skunk Registered since 09th Aug 2006Wed 16-Aug-06 03:21 AM
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#17. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Baltimore City, US
          

I agree with most people. It is a matter of preference. if you need a rugged body with great resolution and have $1800 to spend then get the D200. If you need all of those features but resolution is not a big issue but ergonomics and a vertical release are then get the D2hs or D2xs.

I think many users who were a bit picky about the D70's limitations (who also bought D200 for those reasons) are going to pick up a D80 (some say they will sell their D200 for one as well). If I were in that class then I would do the same. The D80 is the choice camera to get if you were thinking about stepping into DSLR photography for the first time and were thinking about getting a D70s. I bought my D70 for the same price 2 years ago and have since sold it. But if I still had it it would be D80 all the way. If I needed the few features that the D200 offer (build, FPS, larger top lcd, AI/AIS metering, 1005 blah blah blah) lol Then I would get the D200.

If I had the money personally I would get the D2xs... I am a journalist sorry!

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northjay1 Registered since 10th Feb 2006Sat 02-Sep-06 05:28 PM
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#25. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Estes/westminster, US
          

Gil your right
Fast glass ---prime is best make no mistake
try an 85mm 1.8 or a 60mm macro you see sharp as a razor

  

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jchastn Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Mar 2006Thu 17-Aug-06 03:32 AM
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#19. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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The D80 is not a direct competitor to the D200. It is an improvement of the D70(s) and will probably make me sell my D70, if only to get a 10mp black and white RAW file without having to convert with software. The lack of B&W shooting was a big letdown for me with the D-70, but I dont need all the bells and whistles of the D-200.

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#20. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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PH
          

no matter what everyone says here, i think D80's NOISE PERFORMANCE at HIGH ISO settings will determine w/c is the better one.
why???
because most of the D200 complaints is just that.
how many of you here feel that the D50 is better than the D70-70s for that reason alone?
i for one opted for the D50...it just made more sense.

joe

  

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northjay1 Registered since 10th Feb 2006Fri 18-Aug-06 02:52 AM
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#21. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Estes/westminster, US
          

You right dead right I passed on the d70s after useing a friends in favor of the d50 In my mind the d50 has smoother photos
If the d80 has an improved processeor or a little nikon magic it will make me very happy I just ordered one
We will see when the comparison photos start to come out ---Soon I hop

  

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#22. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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US
          

We need to stop worrying about every single little feature on the cameras and just focus on what you need, as Nostromo said earlier in the thread,

"The word "pro" applies better to lenses that it does to bodies. Spend the money on the glass and any DSLR will reward a skilled photographer"

And to answer martin's question... I think it is.... but thats just my personal preference... if you havent used a dslr previously or dont need the extra framerate/mirror lockup/tougher weather sealed body, go for the D80... you'll probably be happy either way.


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Von Registered since 26th Aug 2006Sat 02-Sep-06 02:12 AM
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#23. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Aiea, US
          

Hi

Yes I agree and also one very important fact is that the D200 is available right now ready to use while the D80 is still a dream.

For me the D200 is way better that the D80 because if nothing else it’s available.

Also when the D80 become available do your really think you can get batteries for it? I have the D200 and feel it is way better than the D70 for sure and I love the D70 also yet I know we are talking abut the D80.

I’m going out and take some pictures tomorrow with my new D200.

Best wishes.


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#24. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Washington, US
          

I seriously don't think that anyone could tell the differnce between a picture taken from a D50, D80, or D200, especially after it's been post processed. The decision on what camera to buy should be based on what features you are looking for and the price you are willing to pay. In my case, I think the D80 comes close to striking that balance, for others the D200 does.

Mike

  

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#26. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Houston, US
          

"

I tend to agree. A skilled photographer can produce similar results from any camera. The D50 an D80 just make it easier for a not-as-skilled photographer. Yes, there are differences in the sensor (esp. between the D50 and D200), but most people couldn't tell the difference (unless they looked at the resolution).

If you don't need the extra pro-level features of the D200, get the D80 and put that $700 towards better glass (like the 70-200mm f/2.8 or 17-55mm f/2.8). You need better glass with that 10.2mp sensor. I use both of the above lenses reguarly, and they are fantastic.

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Spectric Registered since 04th Nov 2004Mon 04-Sep-06 10:53 AM
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#27. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Northern Cumbria, GB
          

Hi there

Look upon it as a tool, nothing more. Decide exactly what is essential, what is just good to have & what features it has you do not need.

All cameras take pictures, most have very similar features but it is the ones important to you that matter, those that have a direct impact on what it is you like to shoot & your style.

Look at the product line up, decide what your ambitions are. Do you just want holiday snaps or are you looking at really getting into photography to get images that stand out from the crowd.

The D80 is never going to out perform the D200, Nikon would not sell a camera for less that offered more, just does not happen. The D80 is the D70 replacement and I think is aimed at people moving into digital. But if the extra features of the D200 are not required then why buy one ?

As a D70 user I have looked at upgrades as the D200 has some features that I would find very usefull, but not enough to have made me buy one yet, so even though the D80 is cheaper than D200 I would not find a D80 to be a huge upgrade to a D70. SD memory, compressed Raw are two features I do not want.

Wait for the D200s or D300 or maybe a D250 !


all the best
Roy

  

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#28. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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>Is the D200 worth the extra $700.00?

As others have mentioned, it depends on if you think the D200 only features are worth it. But what hasn't been mentioned is that if you are like me and a have pretty large investment in CompactFlash cards then I wouldn't be so quick to abandon them. I have roughly over $300 worth of CompactFlash cards and I think the Nikon's decision to use SD card is a bigger issue than Nikon thinks it is. The last thing we photographers need is to spend extra money on two different memory cards.

If Nikon wanted to support SD cards for point and shoot camera users to upgrade then they should have made their cameras support both SD and CompactFlash. This way current D70 users can buy the D80 and point and shoot camera users can still use their SD cards but start migrating to CompactFlash cards so that they can upgrade to a D200 in the future but still be able to go back to their D80 since it would have duel support for both SD and CompactFlash. This should have been done with the D50 in my opinion.

SD cards are too small for me too. I would lose them too easily. I think CompactFlash's size is perfect since they are big enough to take in and out easily and they aren't small enough for me to lose them. Of course, these are just my own preferences but I thought it's worth mentioning if you have the same problem.

The D80 would have made a nice vacation camera for me since I wouldn't want to risk breaking or losing something like a D2x or D200 while on vacation. But since it has 10 megapixels I would have been able to sell my vacation pictures professionally if I happened to take any worthy ones while on vacation. I do not want to spend extra money on a different memory card system when I already have plenty of CompactFlash cards. I know not everyone is going to be in the same situation as me but Nikon will lose at least one D80 customer because the D80 doesn't support CompactFlash. I'm sure I'm not the only one considering just one 4gig SanDisk Extreme card is $200-$300.

  

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northjay1 Registered since 10th Feb 2006Mon 04-Sep-06 11:36 PM
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#29. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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You make some excellent points about the sd cards . I belive like you the SD cards are a bit small and easy to lose and changeing them on cold windy days is even harder. How ever I think thats the way camera memory is going and Nikon Is on the cutting Edge.
Vacation camera LOL try carring either one of you beautiful nikons into the mountains with a big macro or zoon lens
you may have a Change of heart about the D80 as a vacation camera
I use the d200 only for night and tripod work
and carry a d50 and a Pentax (the Pentax is a little to small for my hands) I am hopeing the d80 will let me step up

  

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#30. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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>How ever I think thats the way camera memory is going and
>Nikon Is on the cutting Edge.

I certainly hope not. There is a point where I think technology gets too small.

> Vacation camera LOL try carring either one of you
>beautiful nikons into the mountains with a big macro or
>zoon lens

I actually do that a lot so it's not a problem for me. I also hike with about 20 pounds of equiptment on my back. You'll be surprise at how quickly you get used to something if you do it often enough. I do understand what you mean about weight though, but I was talking more about price. The D80 isn't exactly cheap but it's less painful to lose than say a D2x and even the D200 is about $1,000 more than the D80.

  

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northjay1 Registered since 10th Feb 2006Wed 06-Sep-06 01:59 AM
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#40. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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your dx is far better suited for low light landescape
work-- than the d80 or the d200 I think that all nikons will be driven by C-mos sensor's before very long , however the size and weight is unacceptable to me for mountain photos. your on the money the with you estimate 20lb's is about right plus bear spray and a rather long and heavey knife, spoting scope plus about a half a gallon of water monopod 2 bodys plus lens and

far more on cold stormy days
I owned at one time a cannon 20d smaller in size than some ,that took brilliant photos under low light ( soft ones however) but its metering system was far inferior to nikons plus it was unreliable. I am convenced that C-mos sensors will rule the camera market some day I know many of you will agree and disagree but your views are very important to me
lets here what you think j

  

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#31. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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For me it boils down to a few key issues but the first branch in this road is whether you shoot for money OR just have a lot of money. If you fall into either of those two groups the D200 has advantages or bragging rights that may be beneficial to you. For everyone else ummm. NO and that's why I bought a D80 - I even picked it up at Circuity City on 9/2 to boot!

My reasons:
1. You'll likely never take advantage of or appreciate the subtle operational and feature differences between the two.
2. Assuming you loose about 50% of value every two years, and every two years you're hanging on the new greatest thing from Nikon, in purchasing the D80 you're only out about $500 vs. $850 on the D200.
3. Pic for pic at most any ISO your likely to use there is little difference. As "test" results come out I'm sure there will be those that show this model or that bests this or that under some sort of circumstance - contrived or otherwise. Please. . . For the folks this segment is aimed at once you get past 10X12 it's a pretty small world out there. BTW - photojournalists have been publishing using 4MB Nikons for years and still do. I imagine the D80 will best those for IQ in every way. What it won't best is the photographers eye and that's what makes a great photograph regardless of pixels, processing or anthing else.
4. Size. For years and years I had the big guns of Nikon and Leica. I took great pride in that chunk of steel and they made me smile every time. Still do in fact. But now, for me it's about the camera I HAVE WITH ME (or want to haul with me!) as opposed to the one back home. Simply put the D80 with an 18-135 is simply an awsome travel tool. Yeah it's not sealed - I take precautions in those situations. Yeah it probably won't withstand a tour of Afghanastan but in all likelihood I'll be selling in two years any way to get the next great thing.

As they say it's what's on paper that counts, image that is not test results!

Flame on!

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#32. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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Northern Cumbria, GB
          

Hi all

I agree that the memory type is more of an issue than Nikon realises, but then are they looking at D50 uses moving up to the D80, so they can use existing SD memory and think D70 users will move up to the D200 keeping their CF memory ? If so what happens when somebody with a D50/D80 decides to buy D200 or D2x etc, they will need to change memory.

But then with memory prices so low is this really an issue. I believe that Nikon will use SD memory in the smaller entry level camera's and retain CF memory in the larger body camera's.

Again even with large capacity cards I prefer to use several 1 Gig cards than 1 large 2 or 4 gig ones, the old saying is don't put all your eggs in one basket !

I think bottom line is that if the D250 or D300 is launched with SD memory and it was a big improvement over the D200, who is not going to buy it because they have lots of CF memory ?

Be interesting to understand Nikons technical or marketing reasons for using SD memory, unless they have something in the pipeline for the future.







all the best
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#33. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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>But then with memory prices so low is this really an issue.
>
>Again even with large capacity cards I prefer to use several
>1 Gig cards than 1 large 2 or 4 gig ones, the old saying is
>don't put all your eggs in one basket !

Depends on how much money a person has invested in memory cards. For people who don't shoot that many pictures per session then I can see they probably won't have many memory cards. I can't speak for anyone else but for me I can easily fill up a 4 gig card for one photo assignment. Even if I bought four 1 gig cards it will still come out to about $200 or more. I wouldn't call that cheap. I've already mentioned that I have about $300 invested in CompactFlash and will have more if the file sizes keep going up in future cameras. Yes, memory prices have gone down but I still think they are high if you need to buy several of them.

Another example is this photography company I work for. My boss has 4 DSLR cameras which means he has quite a collection of CompactFlash cards. When the D50 came out he thought they would be great cheaper cameras that he could use as backups, but since they used SD cards he would have had to buy a whole new collection of memory cards. He would have had to buy a set of SD cards for four D50s cameras. He decided not to.

My point is why make any obstacle to buying a new Nikon camera whether the obstacle is great or small? I can see the memory card difference isn't much of an obstacle for people who don't shoot that many pictures per session or basically people who don't have that much invested in one type of memory card. But for people like me that's basically adding roughly an extra $300 to the overall cost of the D80. Nikon could have had duel support for both the SD and CompactFlash and not have this problem.

  

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#34. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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>Nikon could have had duel support for both the SD and CompactFlash
>and not have this problem.

Agreed, but that would increase the production costs instead of lowering them. Which is Nikon's goal. Especially with bodies like the D50 and D80.

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#35. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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>Agreed, but that would increase the production costs instead
>of lowering them. Which is Nikon's goal. Especially with
>bodies like the D50 and D80.

Yes, that is a good point and probably why Nikon didn't choose to have duel support. Although if they went with only CompactFlash for the D50 and D80 they could have used the same parts from their other cameras which would have saved them more money.

  

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#36. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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>>Agreed, but that would increase the production costs instead
>>of lowering them. Which is Nikon's goal. Especially with
>>bodies like the D50 and D80.
>
>Yes, that is a good point and probably why Nikon didn't
>choose to have duel support. Although if they went with only
>CompactFlash for the D50 and D80 they could have used the
>same parts from their other cameras which would have saved
>them more money.

Also a good point. I wonder if the decision to go with SD had more to do with space limitations than economic reasons. The D50 and D80 are both very small bodies.

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#37. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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>Also a good point. I wonder if the decision to go with SD
>had more to do with space limitations than economic reasons.
>The D50 and D80 are both very small bodies.

That could be true. I guess we won't truely know unless Nikon tells us.

  

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#38. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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For my needs the D80 has everything I need to make money in my photograpy business and I had an extra $700 for another nice piece of glass (Nikon 18-200mm VR, if it ever gets here). There could possibly be a need for more functions on a camera in the future than my D80 and my D70 cameras have but I never dreamed of having cameras with this many functions a few years ago when I was still shooting film and getting good results. I often feel the more we get the more we think we need or have to have to make better photos and then I look at the functions which were available on the cameras which some of the greats like Ansel Adams used to capture some of his unbelievable shots and it reminds me I don't really need more funtions on a camera and/or more high-tech gadgets to make better photos but what I really need is a LOT more practice and experience with what I have to make really great photos.

Anyway, this is just my own .02¢ worth which is not even worth half that much!

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dwshootist Registered since 14th Sep 2004Tue 05-Sep-06 10:48 PM
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#39. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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Tucson, US
          

The issue of to SD or not to SD is probably a bit of non-starter for Nikon in this market segment. That and the fact that SD cards are in all likelyhood the wave of the future Nikon's move makes utmost sense.

My reasons:
1. For a significant number of people looking to purchase the D80 they probably already have one or more P&S models that use SD memory so it's win win for those folks. For the newcomers, most won't care. For those that have a D200 and want back-up, well see #2 below.
2. Nikon isn't in the memory business they're in the camera system biz so whatever supports that model is going to have far greater weight. For them, memory is a component means to an end. They're going to use what best meets their system requirements and takes advantage of pricing and market trends within support industries. If one's business is so integral with the use of common memory between various camera's then you drop the bucks for that 2nd D200 - Nikon is in the biz of selling cameras afterall. Just don't be supprised when down the road CF isn't even a memory and SD is on its way out for the next great thing. Afterall, how many of us are still toting around your Zip tape drive or even a portable CD-burner (WOW wasn't that cool at $500 a pop!) but now carry a keychain USB drive able to hold a gig or more.
3. I just don't understand all the bagging on SD cards. Like any computer-type component they're all susceptable to problems. But from a failure standpoint, all those pins and connectors on the CF are far more of a problem than anything on the SD. Sure they're small - when has that ever been a negative? Witness cell phones, batteries, computers, etc. Like they taught us in kindergarten - keep track of your stuff, it's important.

Time and tech marches on. I for one want Nikon to stay at the leading edge of that march.

Douglas

  

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#44. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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Pepperell, US
          


>3. I just don't understand all the bagging on SD cards. Like
>any computer-type component they're all susceptable to
>problems. But from a failure standpoint, all those pins and
>connectors on the CF are far more of a problem than anything
>on the SD. Sure they're small - when has that ever been a
>negative?

I'm not going to argue against market dynamics (i.e. whatever is hot and selling will carry a lot of weight). However, even only buying the best quality vendor cards, I have had a handful of corrupt SD cards and never had a data loss with Compact Flash (yet?).

Historically, CF was designed for faster write speeds and larger storage at a reasonable price.

SD cards have a 9 pin interface rather than a 50 pin interface and this limits them to a 4-bit data transfer bus rather than the 16-bit data transfer bus of CF cards. In principle this makes their maximum possible transfer speed slower, but in practice there is little (if any) difference when used with current digital cameras. In the past SD cards were more expensive than CF cards and were not available in as high a capacity versions, but this is really no longer true. The very small size of SD cards means that they cannot accomodate microdrives.

CF cards also have an onboard microcontroller for the memory which takes some load off the camera, but this is currently more of theoretical interest than practical significance. The "Secure" in Secure Digital comes from the card's origin which was concerned with digital rights managements schemes to prevent copying of music! SD cards contain encryption hardware, but it's not used in 99% of all applications and it looks just like flash memory to a digital camera. MultiMediaCards (MMC) are essentially the same as SD cards, but without the encryption hardware and with a few other technical differences. I don't know, but perhaps most cameras use SD cards in MMC mode (i.e. skip the encryption interface).

Your mileage may vary

  

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#41. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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Northern Cumbria, GB
          

Hi everyone

On the subject of cost, I remember buying a 1 Gig microdrive for my D70 that cost me £200 ! Now I can purchase Sandisk or Kingston 1 Gig memory cards for about £16 & 4 gig ones at £85. ( $8.00 / $45.00 )

As I shoot landscapes I do not find any issues with using basic Sandisk cards and have no need for high speed ones as I find the camera is fast enough for my needs so the extra money for the extreme cards is not justified.

all the best
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#42. "RE: D80 or D200 in a word - NO!"
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Barrington, US
          

Sandisk Extreme III 4GB cost £85 here in the US.


  

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#43. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Barrington, US
          

Heard some comments D200 sales increased in some markets since D80 was introduced.

  

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#45. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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SD VS Compact ? well I have been checking as many sources as I can find and it looks like SD is far more trouble free. Granted it hard to tell photographers screw up Compact's , But it looks like that the SD is more reliable under all conditions

  

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#46. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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>SD VS Compact ? well I have been checking as many
>sources as I can find and it looks like SD is far more
>trouble free. Granted it hard to tell photographers screw
>up Compact's , But it looks like that the SD is more
>reliable under all conditions

I'd like to see where you're getting your information. Please share.

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#47. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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jump on the net and look a consumer, reviews, complaints etc. etc. look in UK ,Italian, US etc I belonged at one time or another to camera, photo or meet up clubs in 4 states and 5 major cities made a lot of friends I asked them and ask them to ask around plus one or 2 cameras stores here and there stores not a very good source I add mitt but where theres smoke there is fire

  

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#48. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Greetings...

It's your vision that counts... Get the best tool for the job... if your not shooting for money, then buy for your budget and have fun... what's the worst that can happen???


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#49. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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My point is why make any obstacle to buying a new Nikon camera whether the obstacle is great or small?>>>

My guesses....

> Because Nikon needed the space afforded by the smaller SD cards
> Because Nikon sees SD cards as the winning standard in memory.
> Because Nikon saw that many people already had SD card based cameras including the D50.
> Because many folks will not need more than 1 or 2 SD cards.
> Because many pros will write off cards on their taxes.
> Because most people (that I know) just don't care about buying some new memory
> Because some folks carry portable drives like Epson and Coolwalker (me again), and that really reduces the need for a lot of cards.


MAX

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northjay1 Registered since 10th Feb 2006Fri 08-Sep-06 04:22 PM
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#50. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Bravo--- very well stated every work fits like a glove good Job
MAX

  

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#51. "RE: D80 or D200?"
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Portland, US
          

>>> Is the D200 worth the extra $700.00?<<<
ABSOLUTELY!!! If the D200 has a feature YOU need and the D80 does not then the D200 is worth an extra $700 if not more. For me, the D200 has many features I needed that the D80 does not including weight. Every little bit of extra weight reduces vibration.

>>> Is the D200 worth the extra $700.00?<<<
NOPE!!! If the D80 has all the features you need then no, the D200 isn't worth a cent more.


The bottom line is only you can answer your question.

  

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