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reynog Registered since 22nd Sep 2008Mon 06-Oct-08 07:56 AM
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"ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"


Northern Atlanta, US
          

OK, I've got a lens for sale here.
I now have had two different members contact me today asking if I'm willing to put the lens on ebay with a "Buy it Now" price to include the cost of the lens plus shipping. They'd pay for it through PayPal right away. Something of this smells funny.
Am I being dense or too suspicious?
I understand I'm new to the forums but you gotta start somewhere (my ebay feedback and some feedback from sellers here should account for something).

Clue the clueless in please.

Thanks

  

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reynog Registered since 22nd Sep 2008Mon 06-Oct-08 08:02 AM
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#1. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Northern Atlanta, US
          

Oh yeah, while I'm on my soap box...
What's this with a potential buyer replying to my ad with "email me about your item"?
You're already at my for sale post and the link to email me is right there.
Did I miss the lecture about this beginning stage of a curious courting ritual about to be performed?

If you're interested in someone's goods, don't you usually contact them?

Fill me in.

  

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Cookies35 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Apr 2007Mon 06-Oct-08 01:39 PM
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#6. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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NL
          

>What's this with a potential buyer replying to my ad with
>"email me about your item"?


I don't have advice about the "sell it to me via eBay" questions, but the "email me about your item" folks just need to go home as far as I'm concerned. I don't know if it's a buyer who doesn't understand the language well enough to read your ad and/or the How to Use This Forum directions, or a buyer who is too lazy to do so, but in either case it would feel like too much of a hassle and/or potential risk for me to sell to them. If they're that clueless, who knows what they'll think when they get my used equipment when for some reason they thought they were buying New with warranty or whatever. I'm not interested in finding out.

Not to mention that it could be someone who has a computer program combing the web for For Sale ads — someone else I'm not interested in getting mixed up with.

If any honest buyers out there who send a "tell me about your item" e-mails to sellers and can help me understand why one would do this, I'd love to hear from you! I don't want to blow people off without understanding where they're coming from. But until I understand more, my advice would be to ignore those emails.

-- LaDonna

_________________________________
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing

  

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jjasonw Registered since 02nd Sep 2008Mon 06-Oct-08 09:21 AM
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#2. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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West Hollywood, US
          

They do not understand that you do not need to post on eBay for them to buy it using PayPal. All that needs to happen is for you to have a paypal account. They then log into PayPal and click on send money and put in your email address and the amount and push the button. That's it! I have bought many items from members here doing just that.

Jason Wittman

>OK, I've got a lens for sale here.
>I now have had two different members contact me today asking
>if I'm willing to put the lens on ebay with a "Buy it
>Now" price to include the cost of the lens plus shipping.
> They'd pay for it through PayPal right away. Something of
>this smells funny.
>Am I being dense or too suspicious?
>I understand I'm new to the forums but you gotta start
>somewhere (my ebay feedback and some feedback from sellers
>here should account for something).
>
>Clue the clueless in please.
>
>Thanks

  

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Smiert Spionam Registered since 26th Nov 2007Mon 06-Oct-08 12:47 PM
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#3. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Austin, US
          

Could be that they want to take advantage of the Microsoft cash back offer -- can give them a 10-30% discount.

  

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benveniste Moderator Awarded for is high level skills in various areas, including Macro and Landscape Photography Donor Ribbon. Awarded for his generous suppport to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 25th Nov 2002Mon 06-Oct-08 01:38 PM
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#5. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Boston Area, US
          

That's one possible legitimate reason. The other is that PayPal/eBay will, under some conditions, provide some buyer protection.

Light travels at 2.13085531 × 1014 smoots per fortnight. Catch some today!

  

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luhar Registered since 07th Jul 2004Mon 06-Oct-08 02:33 PM
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#8. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Washington, US
          


>Light travels at 2.13085531 ×
>1014 smoots per fortnight. Catch some today!
>


Just had to say... "hey smoots!" haven't walked across the bridge in a while... *sigh*

Rahul Saha
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Visit my Nikonians gallery.

  

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TXCiclista Registered since 15th May 2006Mon 13-Oct-08 09:15 PM
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#39. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Fort Worth, US
          

>Could be that they want to take advantage of the Microsoft
>cash back offer -- can give them a 10-30% discount.

I fairly confident this is the reason. I guess that also means we might have better luck selling on eBay right now. Hmmmmm

-----
This is my Nikon. There are many like it, but this one is mine!

  

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stash Gold Member Charter MemberMon 06-Oct-08 01:36 PM
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#4. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Auburn, US
          

I also was contacted by a person saying to put it on Ebay "I was selling a lens here 105mm VR" with Buy it now option. I thought something was up, and yes said they get a discount?---I declined the offer. It could of been legit, But I did not want to do it.

stash

  

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#7. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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South Bend, US
          

You can invoice people who have e-mail through your account at PayPal. They do not need to have a PayPal account. EBay does not need to be involved. There is more security through eBay, however I have seen very few complaints from Nikonian members who have had problems.

Bron

http://www.bronislaus.com/

  

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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 02:38 PM
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#9. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Mon 06-Oct-08 02:41 PM by jpnikon

US
          

Since I am one of the people contact you and requesting a ebay listing, I feel that I have to post a reply here to clarify things, even though this cost me money (I have to upgrade my membership to post here), hopefully I can convince you guys that there is nothing fishy about my request.

As a member post above, this is all about microsoft cash rebate. And I was straight in my email to you about that, just did not explain the detail, since I felt that it's hard to explain clearly. If you want to know the details, you may go to live.com, click cashback to find details.

Basically, microsoft is promoting their live search to compete with google, so if you shopping through their live search, you may get cash back after 60 day of your purchase. For stores rebates, it is from 2% to maybe 20%, for ebay But it Now item, the percentage changes from time to time, from 10% to 35%, with certain limitations. But you have to use paypal and buy it now.

I am not new here, I understand a seller's concerns. I have sold and buy a lot of lenses here: sold: 80-200 push pull, 80-200 afs, trade D300 for D200, bought 70-200 VR from a member here, bought 35 f2, and a lot of more.

My offer to Stash and Glenn still valid for now, since the cash rebate is still live for now.

Stash, Glenn, if this post convinces you guys that my offer has no catch or trap, my $25 member fee is well spent.

- jpnikon

  

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georgem Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Sep 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 03:37 PM
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#10. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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East lansing, US
          

I don't get it? Why do we at Nikonians have to go through the trouble and expense to sell on e-bay? Isn't that why we are here in the first place. Trade amoung photographers.

I have bought a few times here sold once and given away stuff a couple of times. I will not buy or sell to anyone if I think they will resell on e-bay or is selling stuff here to avoid e-bay charges and are not even photographers.

That is just me, what can I say. This is my rant for the day.

I'm sorry to use your post, JPNikon, as a spring board but you did mention e-bay.

George Macaluso
East Lansing, Michigan

  

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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 03:56 PM
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#11. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Mon 06-Oct-08 04:10 PM by jpnikon

US
          

George, you really did not get it. It has nothing to do with resell at ebay, is just about saving some money so I can get more glasses or camera.

This is just like that you are selling something to your neighbour, that you can just deliver the item to his house, but he asks you ship it through UPS and he covers cost, so he can get some money back from UPS, yes a little bit trouble for you, but don't you think that's understandable? When trying to save money is considered a bad thing? If I was a photographer, and making money with my equipments, I may not care about spending several hundred dollars for a lens, but a lot of us are not. You may choose not to deal with a non-photographer, but fortunately Nikon does, and a lot of other don't mind. If you think hard, you may realize that more people using your professional equipments is actually a good thing for you real professionals.

-- jpnikon

  

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#12. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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US
          

>Basically, microsoft is promoting their live search to compete
>with google, so if you shopping through their live search, you
>may get cash back after 60 day of your purchase. For stores
>rebates, it is from 2% to maybe 20%, for ebay But it Now
>item, the percentage changes from time to time, from 10% to
>35%, with certain limitations. But you have to use paypal and
>buy it now.

This is a good info. This may help me pull the trigger on a 105mm DC.

  

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edhu Registered since 25th Nov 2007Mon 06-Oct-08 05:14 PM
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#13. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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US
          

What JPNikon said is right and true.

  

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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 05:16 PM
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#14. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Mon 06-Oct-08 05:19 PM by jpnikon

US
          

Hey, you did not even say thank you

Actually, not long ago J&R had 15% rebate, I was thinking about getting the D700, but I hesitated, then 15% became just 6% now.
Since ebay percentage changes more frequently, I was a little pushy for this ebay listing thing, and seems scared some fellow nikonian here


>>Basically, microsoft is promoting their live search to
>compete
>>with google, so if you shopping through their live search,
>you
>>may get cash back after 60 day of your purchase. For
>stores
>>rebates, it is from 2% to maybe 20%, for ebay But it Now
>>item, the percentage changes from time to time, from 10%
>to
>>35%, with certain limitations. But you have to use paypal
>and
>>buy it now.
>
>This is a good info. This may help me pull the trigger on a
>105mm DC.

  

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ScottsFJ40 Silver Member Nikonian since 11th Sep 2007Mon 06-Oct-08 05:25 PM
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#15. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Olympia, US
          

Why should the seller have to eat the listing and final value fees so that you can get a discount when buying the item.

I realize that everyone wants to get a discount, but if I am a seller, I have no interest in incurring extra fees just so that you can get a few percent discount.

Just my opinion.

  

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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 05:31 PM
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#17. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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US
          

For my case, no, the seller was not asked to eat the fee, and just as you said, that is not right, nobody will accept that.


>Why should the seller have to eat the listing and final value
>fees so that you can get a discount when buying the item.
>
>I realize that everyone wants to get a discount, but if I am a
>seller, I have no interest in incurring extra fees just so
>that you can get a few percent discount.
>
>Just my opinion.

  

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#16. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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US
          

I can understand that you want to get "cash back" but for the person who is lists on e-bay for you has to pay a listing fee and a final value fee so it costs the seller money for you to get cash back. You may get a better response from the people selling if you offer to cover that additional cost.

Nichole
www.photographybynichole.com

  

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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 05:32 PM
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#18. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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US
          

thanks, Nichole.
I did that as mentioned in previous post, I offered to cover the extra fee.

  

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#19. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Mon 06-Oct-08 06:43 PM by yo_andrew

marina del rey, US
          

>>.if this post convinces you guys that my offer
>has no catch or trap, my $25 member fee is well spent.

Yo James,

thanks for your $25, which is well spent anyway.

Edit: I'd like to point out that someone going to all this trouble and expense, with the oboy buy-it-now listing, has no guarantee you'll buy-it-now.

best, andy


"THERE'S MORE TO OPTICS THAN MEETS THE EYE"
Not till we have lost the world do we begin to find ourselves

  

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reynog Registered since 22nd Sep 2008Mon 06-Oct-08 07:12 PM
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#20. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Northern Atlanta, US
          

JP will have his money's worth.
I'm going to give the ebay route a try for his benefit and mine.

I personally think only Silver members and above should have access to the buy or sell forums.


  

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yo_andrew Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Jan 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 08:20 PM
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#21. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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marina del rey, US
          

>I'm going to give the ebay route a try for his benefit and
>mine.

Yo Glenn,

you do realize this is fraud?

>I personally think only Silver members and above should have
>access to the buy or sell forums.

You have a case for sellers, but who wants to minimize the number of buyers?

best, andy



"THERE'S MORE TO OPTICS THAN MEETS THE EYE"
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#22. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Mon 06-Oct-08 08:36 PM by georgem

East lansing, US
          

I'd like to go one better. A special commercial membership fee to sell on Nikonians with a 2 year active membership wavier. Ie minimum number of post not related to sales.

What do you think? We can work out the details.

George M.

  

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yo_andrew Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Jan 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 08:51 PM
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#23. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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marina del rey, US
          

>I'd like to go one better. A special commercial membership
>fee to sell on Nikonians with a 2 year active membership
>wavier.

Yo George,

I really don't think we want commercial sellers in our forum.

best, andy


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#26. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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East lansing, US
          

Yo Andy

I think we are there already. It's the used Nikon equipment market. Many times the stuff is not even used. You know the story, they picked up a new D3 on a lark. Never even shot a shot. There profile say they have a d80 with no expensive glass. Yea right.

I suggest that to be able to sell here you need to be a paying member for a reasonable period of time. Let be reasonable, one year. Maybe also a requirement to post something every now and then not related to selling something.

George

  

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dmath Registered since 31st Jan 2008Mon 13-Oct-08 10:00 PM
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#40. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
In response to Reply # 26


Vevey, CH
          

>
>I suggest that to be able to sell here you need to be a paying
>member for a reasonable period of time. Let be reasonable,
>one year.

I'm opposed to that. I've bought and sold a number of items here but
have been a member for less than a year. The trouble is that it is going
to be very difficult to achieve the intended result without excluding
some unreasonably.

I think the "I want to sell" forum works well aside from the very
well-documented failure-to-deliver cases.

David

  

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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 09:00 PM
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#24. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
In response to Reply # 21


US
          

>>I'm going to give the ebay route a try for his benefit
>and
>>mine.
>
>Yo Glenn,
>
>you do realize this is fraud?


Yo Andy, how this becomes a fraud? Which part?
Glenn will get his lens sold and get the amount he wanted after all the extra fees;
I will get the lens I need at a fair market value (maybe a little bit more since I cover the fees) and I also get a little bit more protection from ebay/paypal (Did you read a couple real fraud cases at top of this forum);
ebay/paypal will get their shares;
microsoft live.com is happy to get more clicks and in two months they will send me money for my clicks so I can add maybe a filter or a flash. So just let me know which part is none ethical or even is a crime

  

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yo_andrew Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Jan 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 10:21 PM
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#28. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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marina del rey, US
          

>Yo Andy, how this becomes a fraud? Which part?

>...microsoft live.com is happy to get more clicks and in two
>months they will send me money for my clicks so I can add
>maybe a filter or a flash. So just let me know which part is
>none ethical or even is a crime

Yo James,

you say microsoft live.com will be happy to give you all that rebate money for a couple clicks. I say contact them first, giving your real name and address, and tell them what you are about to do. They will be better able to explain it to you. And tell them you found your partners here on Nikonians.

best, andy


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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 11:58 PM
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#30. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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US
          

>>Yo Andy, how this becomes a fraud? Which part?
>
>>...microsoft live.com is happy to get more clicks and in
>two
>>months they will send me money for my clicks so I can add
>>maybe a filter or a flash. So just let me know which part
>is
>>none ethical or even is a crime
>
>Yo James,
>
>you say microsoft live.com will be happy to give you all that
>rebate money for a couple clicks. I say contact them first,
>giving your real name and address, and tell them what you are
>about to do. They will be better able to explain it to you.
>And tell them you found your partners here on Nikonians.
>


Are you kidding? you think microsoft care about it! Then go ahead and report it to microsoft and see what going to happen.

This is marketing, they are spending huge just trying to promote their live search, more click, more visitors, means more traffic statistic, and that will result future advertising revenue. Better just kill google.

Actually I am doing them a favor now. If they know that they may send me more money.

  

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#25. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Mon 06-Oct-08 09:13 PM by reynog

Northern Atlanta, US
          

Yo-yo Andrew,
I'm clueless again, how is this fraud?
You could bid on it as well as he or anyone else could. It's an open ebay auction. Go search for Nikon 18-200 lenses.

PLEASE, clue me in on the fraud thing.

  

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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Mon 06-Oct-08 10:15 PM
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#27. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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US
          

Glenn, sent you an email. Please check it. Thanks.

  

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Gardenerbob Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Dec 2007Mon 06-Oct-08 10:49 PM
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#29. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Locust Valley, US
          

Seems like Ken Rockwell has the skinny on the microsoft rebates.
Check out his update as of today..
Bob

  

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jimsanders Silver Member Nikonian since 25th Mar 2008Tue 07-Oct-08 12:28 AM
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#31. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Tue 07-Oct-08 12:31 AM by jimsanders

Buffalo, US
          

Bob - Thanks for mentioning this.

FYI, here is Ken's post http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/00-new-today.htm
Check the actual post for active links.

"Microsoft eBay Cashback?

People have been asking me about this one. There's a fishy program running around that people selling things on eBay are claiming that Microsoft will give us 30% back.

When I finally found the terms and conditions, I only saw "up to 20%" (meaning almost always less than 20%) mentioned, and so many terms and exclusions that tells me that we'll never see anything.

I dind't know you could make type that small on the internet. Be sure to use your "Enlarge Text" button in your broswer so you can read it.

As I read the T&Cs, even if you open new accounts and thread yourself through all the limitations to qualify yourself for some purchases, that at best you may see a credit to your PayPal account two months later.

This is a real program, but good luck. It's not worth my time and looks a whole lot more contorted than any rebate system, like the perfectly good one above for memory cards.

When you buy into this Microsoft system, Microsoft makes money today via click-through advertising revenue and small sales commissions on what you buy, and if, and only if, you qualify and meet all the conditions, Microsoft might credit your PayPal account in two months.

Microsoft is using "up to 20%" as bait to get lots of people to try this, and betting that less than 10% of the participants actually collect, since MS is probably getting 2% on all your purchases. If few enough people collect, MS makes money, and gets the promotional value for which they help. Heck, me just talking about it helped them out — whoops! There's no cash back, just maybe a credit in two months, if you're lucky.

If you're good at conventional rebates, read the T&Cs, and if you understand them, bonne chance! It's not worth my time tracking these things. Others have had it work, so good luck!"

  

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jpnikon Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Jun 2006Tue 07-Oct-08 01:48 AM
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#32. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
In response to Reply # 31


US
          

Well, if you want to believe everything Ken said, just believe him on this.

But has he ever used the microsoft live search rebate before he got his conclustion?

I have. And I already got my cashback from my purchase I made two months ago. Yes, I was a little suspicious, but I got my money as microsoft advertised. And a lot of people at dpreview jumped on the
15% cashback at J&R for D700, 24-70, etc not long ago.

Yes, the ebay cashback thing has its restrictions: such as cashback total per account, per purchase, but nothing abnormal. Everybody should take advantage from this while it is live.

Do you believe that Microsoft will run some scams to angry users of their live search?

How about do a google search on: "microsoft live search cash back"
at news.google.com to find out media's recent reports on this?

Don't get me wrong, I am not working for MS. I just think the information will help everybody if you willing to listen.

  

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donnyappletree Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Jan 2008Tue 07-Oct-08 07:06 AM
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#33. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Strum, US
          

Mr. Sanders, jpnikon is right about MSN Live Search. I've used it for all 6 of my last purchases and have gotten back the money into my PayPal account after the waiting period specified. There were no gimmcks, the hammer didn't fall....it was painless and profitable. The cashback rate was 30% this weekend; but I've used up my 6 purchases (the maximum allowed). Also, each purchase is limited to a maximum $200 cashback. If MSN ups their number of purchases allowed, I will gladly use the cashback program again.

donnyappletree

  

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jimsanders Silver Member Nikonian since 25th Mar 2008Tue 07-Oct-08 02:19 PM
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#34. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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Buffalo, US
          

Don - I wasn't criticizing the program, just quoting what Ken Rockwell said. Notice the quotes around the text. I figured some folks might not take the time to locate and read Ken's opinion so I made it easy for them.

I'm glad it worked out for you and anyone else who tried it. The program doesn't really interest me.

  

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#35. "Cash back does work for me !"
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Tue 07-Oct-08 04:26 PM by nht1637a

Ballwin, US
          

I understand that you just quoted what KR said. However, I would think he is wrong.

I saved my self $385 ( one %30 and one %20 cash back) in my 2 eBay Buy-It-Now purchases( one brand-new LCD TV and one blu-ray player) with my Paypal account within last 3 days.Of course, I had to choose reputable stores with at least 99.5% positive feedback.

Those amounts were transferred to my MS Cash Back account just after 4 hours payments made. However, they are pending until 60 days later to get cash. Someone doesn't like this program but I do! Microsoft programs should be trusted. This program will not last long since they are marketing their search tool to compete with Google search. When they achieve what they want, they will stop this program. (Now, they are lowing their % cash back). It works for both MS and me!!!!!



>Don - I wasn't criticizing the program, just quoting what Ken
>Rockwell said. Notice the quotes around the text. I figured
>some folks might not take the time to locate and read Ken's
>opinion so I made it easy for them.
>
>I'm glad it worked out for you and anyone else who tried it.
>The program doesn't really interest me.

  

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#36. "RE: Cash back does work for me !"
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US
          

There is no fraud or anything fishy about this.

I have used cashback from Microsoft to get 5 items on ebay with buy it now. You wait 60 days and money gets posted to your paypal account.

Seller doesn't loose anything on this because buyer covers ebay final fee and paypal fee, so seller posts ebay auction with buy it now with the price that covers item+shipping+ebay fees all rolled into buy it now price. Seller can post a private auction or public one and send item number to buyer who then can buy it now and get upto $200 cashback. if somebody else buys it before buyer gets it, that's life.

Nothing fraudulent about this, like people said before its a way to save little bit of money.

  

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yo_andrew Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Jan 2006Mon 13-Oct-08 06:04 PM
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#37. "RE: ebay as a selling medium, what gives? (trust)"
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marina del rey, US
          

>OK, I've got a lens for sale here.
>I now have had two different members contact me today asking
>if I'm willing to put the lens on ebay with a "Buy it
>Now" price to include the cost of the lens plus shipping.
> They'd pay for it through PayPal right away. Something of
>this smells funny.

>Clue the clueless in please.

Yo Glenn,

it seems that many are willing to overlook a lot as long as there's some tiny profit in it for them. The cashback bonuses are given for transactions produced from their search service--not from a few Nikonians who are being solicited here to help commit fraud.

best, andy


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sparadise Registered since 02nd Aug 2006Mon 13-Oct-08 08:03 PM
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#38. "CashBack Clarified"
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Mon 13-Oct-08 08:06 PM by sparadise

US
          

As of yesterday if you go to www.live.com and do a search for a Nikon 80-200mm an Ebay link will appear near the top of the page. If you go to the link the top of the Ebay page will display a Microsoft Cashback little green tag which as of yesterday was a 30% discount up to $200 if you use "buy it now" and pay via Paypal immediately.You may then search for any item and it will qualify.It takes 2 months for Paypal to reimburse you but I can assure you it is legitimate because I have used it.
As a seller you will get more money for what you are selling due to the discount. Microsoft wants to attract more business to their online shopping site. Seems like a win-win situation to me.
Just remember it must be a buy it now and you must use Paypal. If the item starts as an auction and has a buy it now it doesn't qualify.
With all due respect to Andy I fail to see what is fraudulent about the program or mentioning it here.

Steve P

  

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yo_andrew Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Jan 2006Mon 13-Oct-08 10:21 PM
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#41. "RE: CashBack Clarified"
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marina del rey, US
          

> With all due respect to Andy I fail to see what is
>fraudulent about the program or mentioning it here.

Yo Steve,

thank you for putting it that way.

Not a thing is fraudulent about the program or mentioning it here.

What is fraudulent is: after privately soliciting a seller here on this forum, this buyer "discovers" seller's oBoy ad through the use of the live system....if he follows through on his promise.

Why? While the seller just gets his XXX sold (maybe), the buyer keeps all the transaction's cash-back for his part of the deception. So why not sell to someone you can trust?

best, andy


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sparadise Registered since 02nd Aug 2006Tue 14-Oct-08 03:28 PM
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#42. "RE: CashBack Clarified"
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Tue 14-Oct-08 03:43 PM by sparadise

US
          

I went back and reread the entire thread and now I understand your point. People had items listed here and they were getting requests to place them on Ebay so guys could take advantage of the cashback offer.
I still must respectfully disagree because I have seen many items listed to be sold here,on Fred Miranda and Ebay all at the same time at times when the cashback wasn't being offered.
Pointing out to a Nikonian seller that Ebay has a 30% discount through Cashback is a legitimate request. Again as a seller I can negotiate a higher price with the buyer due to the discount.Everyone wins. It just plain old capitalism.
Case in point is I just bought a Nikon 80-200mm 2.8 on Ebay for $850-$200=$650 with Cashback. The auction only 80-200's sold in the 700 to 760 range. Buyer and seller both win. Regards Steve P

  

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cyneuge Basic MemberWed 15-Oct-08 11:16 PM
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#43. "RE: CashBack Clarified"
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San Jose, US
          

I've been reading this thread with interest and was wondering exactly how this Live.com rebate works. Ebay has a Gitzo GT2541 on auction with Buy It Now option. I'd like to take advantage of this if possible, but haven't figured out how to do it.

I went to the Live.com website and did a search on Gitzo GT2541, but couldn't find any link to Ebay. Am I doing something wrong, or is this just one of the items that don't qualify for the rebate?

Thanks in advance for the help!!!

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donnyappletree Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Jan 2008Thu 16-Oct-08 04:31 AM
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#44. "RE: CashBack Clarified"
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Thu 16-Oct-08 05:51 AM by donnyappletree

Strum, US
          

Hi!

I did a Live Search just now and when I typed "Gitzo tripods" into the Live Search line (and hit that little icon at the right side) it took me to the next page which listed eBay as the very first site. It's a 30% cashback tonight. Once you hit the eBay site, it will take you directly to eBay. Now, you'll notice a green sign at the top of eBay's page noting that you are now entitled to a 30% cashback (if using Buy It Now and paying by PayPal) for a maximum amount of $200/transaction. After you've paid for the item, you'll find a message waiting for you in your My eBay page. Open it and follow the directions to get to MSN's website to set up an account so that MSN can pay you the cash back after the 60 days. I believe that every item on the regular eBay that has Buy It Now qualifies for MSN Live Search.

Good luck!

GOOD NEWS! I just checked, and MSN has upped the number of qualified purchases from 6 up to 12! Life is good!!

donnyappletree

  

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cyneuge Basic MemberThu 16-Oct-08 05:41 PM
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#45. "RE: CashBack Clarified"
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San Jose, US
          

I was finally able to get to the Ebay sight through Live.com search and purchased my Gitzo tripod. When I went to purchase it through Paypal, it said I should receive a $181 rebate after a 60 day waiting period (in case I return the item) and after I sign up for a Live Search account, which I just did today. After signing up, it said they would contact me after the 60 day period to see if I want the rebate to be mailed to the address I provided. We'll see in 60 days... Stay tuned.

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#46. "RE: CashBack Clarified"
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US
          

Now, you'll notice a green sign at the top
>of eBay's page noting that you are now entitled to a 30%
>cashback (if using Buy It Now and paying by PayPal) for a
>maximum amount of $200/transaction.

Hmmm, I've gotten to Ebay site through Live.com but I'm not getting the green sign you mentioned, so I have no way of knowing if 30% rebate is applicable or not. ㅡ,.ㅡ

  

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donnyappletree Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Jan 2008Fri 17-Oct-08 05:49 AM
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#47. "RE: CashBack Clarified"
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Fri 17-Oct-08 06:43 AM by donnyappletree

Strum, US
          

Hi!

If you accessed the eBay site through the MSN Live Search engine you should have seen the little green sign at the top of the eBay site. I wouldn't buy until it is there because this is the only way that I'd be certain that you're going to get the cashback. The little green sign is located to the right of the eBay sign. So, it's the eBay sign--then "Hi ______"(fill in your user name)--then it's the cash back sign in green with a 30% in red. To tell you the truth, I've never seen the eBay website without the green sign attached (when accessing the eBay site through MSN Live Search). (NOTE: Did you type in a certain item in the MSN Live search engine so that it took you to the auction site? The green sign will display on the auction sites and on the "My eBay" page. It doesn't show up on the eBay home page.) The green sign will stay on for one hour; then, it'll go off. So, you have 60 minutes to make your transaction before it reverts back to the normal eBay without the green sign. After you make your purchase, the green sign will follow you throughout the paying process in PayPal--telling you how much you've saved by using MSN Cashback. So, I'd try it again and see if it doesn't come up this time around. Good luck!

donnyappletree

  

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