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delaneyb Silver Member Charter MemberSat 01-Mar-08 08:35 PM
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"I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
Sun 02-Mar-08 11:20 AM by delaneyb

London UK, GB
          

Stupid really, but 10 days ago I parted with £740 on the offer of a 17-35mm f2,8 and 50mm f1.4 from a Nikonian after i posted on WTB.
Other than one communication last tuesday, I have no lenses, no tracking number and no response. If all is well, I'll apologise, but I'm getting a bit concerned - its not small change!

the correspondence is below:

I've reported it to Paypal, little more I can do. Any suggestions?
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Hi Brendan,

i can confirm via my wife the item has been shipped to your work address, i will be calling her after work today to get the number, i will forward onto yourself as soon as i have spoken to her, sorry for the delay in email response time zone is a killer,

Thanks

Peter

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Brendan Delaney wrote:
Peter,
Have you sent this yet? and to which address?
I haven't received it.
Regards
Brendan

Brendan Delaney

www.brendandelaneyphotography.com



On 20 Feb 2008, at 10:47, Peter Collins wrote:

Yeah thats fine, how do you prefer to make the payment? i dont mind
CHQ, Bank payment or paypal

Yeah i will have to wait until the market settles a little i made the
mistake of buying the glass before the body

Pete

On Feb 20, 2008 10:37 AM, Brendan Delaney
wrote:
It would be Royal Mail Special Delivery
£20 should cover it.
£740 for both with postage?


Brendan Delaney

www.brendandelaneyphotography.com



On 20 Feb 2008, at 10:25, Peter Collins wrote:

Hi Brendan

it is the D version, i purchased with the view to going to the D3,
but it is no longer possible

i am happy with either a cheque or paypal, if you want to send paypal
then this email address is my paypal address, off the top of my head
i cant recall how much thgey weigh so i cant get a postage quote, do
you have a prefered carrier?

Pete

On Feb 20, 2008 10:10 AM, Brendan Delaney
wrote:
OK fine
I'd pay £600 for the 17-35 and £120 for the 50mm 1.4 (so long as it
is the D version).
Plus postage, cheque or paypal as you prefer.
?
Brendan Delaney

www.brendandelaneyphotography.com



On 20 Feb 2008, at 08:36, Peter Collins wrote:

Brendan,

Allow me to apologise for any confusion.

I have a 17-35mm and a 50mm 1.4 which i believe are 2 of the items
you are looking for?

Once again i apologise for confusion i may have caused.

Pete

On Feb 20, 2008 7:30 AM, Brendan Delaney wrote:
pete,
Can we just get this correct?
IF you have the 17-35 THIRTY FIVE mm lens I'd be willing to pay £600
for it. Could you let me know today.
I have a Nikon D3 so I'm not interested in a 17-55 DX
Thanks
Brendan
On 19 Feb 2008, at 22:28, Peter Collins wrote:

Hi Brendan

it was a typo ops

i just got myself a d2x being a keen amateur but guess the lenses i
brought were a little too much for the mrs, i told her i was keeping
my new 80-400 tho, divorce comes before that goes heh

but these and a 85 1.4 have to parted with alas

regards

Pete

On Feb 19, 2008 10:11 PM, Brendan Delaney wrote:
Hi Pete,
Its the 17-35 I'm after. Did you miss-read or is it a typo here?
Thanks
Brendan
On 19 Feb 2008, at 21:52, wrote:


Hiya,

i have got 2 of the lenses your after, the 50mm 1.4 and the 17-55mm i
overspent before checking with her whom must be obeyed!

becuase of my job i cant promise when i might be able to disptach,
would be within a week or so though.

Let me know what you are willing to offer

the 50mm came 2nd hand is in excellent condition the 17-55 is pretty
much NIB, only had it out to run some pics through it,

but as i already said she whom must be obeyed has ordered these
little things to be taken out of her sight, was going to put them on
a certain auction site

Regards

Pete










Brendan
Nikonian in London (Tower Bridge area) UK

Brendan Delaney Photography

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proletech Registered since 13th Nov 2007Sun 02-Mar-08 12:17 AM
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US
          

Oh man,

that really makes me upset - I hope it all works out.

Paypal is actually really great about this stuff - they will take that money right out of that guys account, and give it back to you.

If for whatever reason paypal doesn't come through, and you paid with a Visa or MC, even through your checking account via a Visa or MC Debit card - they will also charge back for you.

You will get the money back, might take a little bit, but they will actually suspend his paypal account until he can provide a tracking number. If not - they will take the money out of whatever his primary funding option is. I have been through this before - you can call paypal and talk to someone there if you have any questions.

but it shouldn't take 4 days to ask your wife if she sent out the lenses...

please let us know how it works out.

-tim

  

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Thang Registered since 03rd Oct 2007Sun 02-Mar-08 12:53 AM
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US
          

>Paypal is actually really great about this stuff - they will
>take that money right out of that guys account, and give it
>back to you.
>
>If for whatever reason paypal doesn't come through, and you
>paid with a Visa or MC, even through your checking account via
>a Visa or MC Debit card - they will also charge back for you.
>
>You will get the money back, might take a little bit, but they
>will actually suspend his paypal account until he can provide
>a tracking number. If not - they will take the money out of
>whatever his primary funding option is. I have been through
>this before - you can call paypal and talk to someone there if
>you have any questions.


Actually, paypal is pretty BAD at recovering your money if a deal gone wrong. They don't really do much.

  

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thorin Registered since 31st Oct 2006Sun 02-Mar-08 01:00 AM
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US
          

Thang,

If you have experience, please elaborate. If you are passing on what you have read or heard, please say so. I would like to really know what the truth is from people with actual experience.

Thanks

  

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KJ6304 Registered since 11th Oct 2007Sun 02-Mar-08 02:16 AM
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#4. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Winchester, US
          

It makes me sick everytime I hear and read something about this kind of scam.
If PayPal withdrawn the money from your checking account then it's a very slim chance they can stop the payment and return the money to you because it is a closed and completed transaction. The receiving bank has no obligation or reason to justify blocking the acammer to take the money and or return it.
However if you paid via your credit card ( HIGHLY RECOMMENDED ) then
by notifying your credit card company will gives you protection because they can suspend the payment until further investigation of
fraud. It works like you want to return a bad apple for refund, the seller refuses but you don't want it. The credit company ask for proof and there you go, case closed, full credit refund.
Recently these kind of scammer is even using English Bull Dog to scam at other photographic website and craiglists ( Careful ).
The scammer saying he has to offer his 14 weeks old English Bull Dog for adoption at only $ 700.00 plus shipping by air. (Another $200.00)
He doesn't want to but losing his job and relocation forces him to do that. We all know a fine English Bull Dog worth around $ 2,500 -
$ 3,500.00, what a bargain...!! He even sent photos of the dog to the
innocent parties. ( From a link he stole photos from a dog kennel ). You love to have a English Bull Dog and pay via PayPal without reserve. Money's gone and all you have are the photos of your
English Bull dog.
I have posted recently of a scam from a guy who claimed he recently moved to the UK and selling his D2X for $ 700.00 under 6 months old
that he will ship from USA. Well he's at it again and this time he is
selling the D2X with 2 lenses for $ 870.00. I had reported it to
the website administrator of a scam after I have sent him a email that he is being invertigated by the FBI and Postal General.
We as a member should be watchful of these kind of scam and reported
it ASAP to protect our peers and safeguard our forum. This is the least we can do.
I hope this case of the 2 lenses will turn out to be fine and okay
for our friend in UK.
Best wishes

  

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kennyg92 Silver Member Nikonian since 16th May 2006Sun 02-Mar-08 02:58 AM
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#5. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Seattle, US
          

If the suspect person withdraws all of the money from their Paypal account, and has no money in the bank account used for Paypal funding sources, there is absolutely nothing Paypal can do about it.

Also understand that even though Paypal fronts itself off as a financial institution, they do little more than provide mediation between parties involved in a dispute.

Paypal also has limits on buyer protection for goods purchased outside of eBay. I believe that limit is $200.00 - period.
That's why if I'm using Paypal to purchase forum-offered goods I will always use a credit card. At least there is some avenue of recourse, even though the dispute would be between Paypal and the credit card company, and could still end up in a total loss of funds.
Paypal does not represent the seller in any case.

Unfortunately it's not that difficult to pull off a successful scam.

-Ken

  

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proletech Registered since 13th Nov 2007Sun 02-Mar-08 04:07 AM
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US
          

Man - I really didnt mean to spread false info..

I have only had one instance of this, I bought a guitar for $1800 and when I got it, it looked like someones bad shop project.

All the pictures were photoshopped, really a nightmare.

Did some digging on the seller and found out that he had recently bought it and sold it using the same pics that he fell for.

Reported it to paypal immediately.

They refunded me the full price but told me that it might be removed from my bank account if the scammers bank didn't back it up. In the end it all worked out...

This was probably 6 or 7 years ago, but paypal was great.

-hope this helps.
tim

  

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ldo Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Oct 2002Sun 02-Mar-08 04:13 AM
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#7. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Orange County, US
          

I agree with the other poster regarding Paypal and their lack of support in recovering your money. I'm speaking from experience. I was scammed for a much larger sum on Ebay using Paypal. The process that Paypal makes you to go thru to try to get your money back is long and frustrating to say the least. You first have to file a DISPUTE, and wait a certain amount of days, only then you can escalate it into a CLAIM, wait a certrain amount of days. If nothing happens, Paypal will then decide on SETTLEMENT or how much to give back to you. Usually, it's only a very small portion of what you're after (depending on the other party's account rating). They'll of course throw in the line "we will try our very best to recover the rest of your money," which simply means: move along, you've wasted our resources, next! By the way, all this waiting with Paypal might take you past the time limit to file a dispute with your credit card company, so be careful.

In my case, I used my credit card as the funding source, so I called them and they offered the charge back for the full amount right away. They then went after Paypal, and I never heard from it again. So, always always always use your credit card as the funding source if you're using Paypal. Don't bother with Paypal, go straight to your credit card company.

Sorry if I've gone offtrack a little from the original post. Everytime I hear Paypal and fraud protection, I cringe.

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delaneyb Silver Member Charter MemberSun 02-Mar-08 08:55 AM
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#8. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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London UK, GB
          

Thanks for the advice. I will ring Amex.

On the face of it there seem to be so many pointers to a scam, the confusion over the 17-35 v 17-55, the odd reason for selling, the vague reference to time zones and lame excuse for not sending the tracking info. I also didn't get contact details or a picture of the item. STUPID!

However the guy has posted 30 times on Nikonians since Jan 08, including some images, and seemed genuine.

We can get lulled into a false sense of security on a website like this.........

Brendan
Nikonian in London (Tower Bridge area) UK

Brendan Delaney Photography

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ianspector Registered since 03rd Jul 2006Sun 02-Mar-08 12:46 PM
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#10. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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GB
          

Dear Brendan,

i am sorry about the worry. I suspect that you have enough things on your side so that you will not be out of pocket in the long run.

1. You are the right side of the paypal transaction. Often fraudsters use paypal to recall money after they have received an item. The steps paypal put you through are to ensure it is not you who are perpetrating a fraud. Their setup appears to be in favour of the paying and non-receiving party. It is harder if he sent you an empty box and had a tracking number.
2. Amex are usually very helpful and will refund first and ask questions later.
3. If the person really is intent on ripping you off he is committing a fraud and the penalty for that in the UK is prison. I hope that this is cock up and not fraud and you get two great lenses.
4. Nikonians can't be the best place to commit a fraud as he presumably pays his Nikonian subscriptions with a credit card so he will be traceable.
5. If he is a criminal and has posted 30 times I suspect he is stupid enough not to always use an internet cafe or mask his IP address. He can be traced from that.

I am always naively optimistic about these things but do let us/me know if you need help track this guy.

Sorry again, Brendan.

Ian

  

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BorderGraham Registered since 05th Oct 2004Mon 03-Mar-08 04:19 PM
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#23. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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US
          

Nice to read all these negative comments about PayPal. I have never liked PayPal from the start and refuse to use it. In the end, regardless what type of payment used, it relies on honestly.

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#9. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Mayo, US
          

Brendan, I sent you another email this morning but it was blocked by your ISP as spam. Please check your PMs.

Simplify

Cormorants

  

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US
          

The next thing I would do is go to the police! This is a serious crime. Let the police find this person by looking in your computer and getting all the info they can. The sooner the better to get the police involved. They can also help get your money back but also can put the person in jail! The longer you wait the less likely the police have to find this fraudster...serious, serious crime.

  

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Irving, US
          

Paypal will do a great job of getting your money back. They have always come through for me in bad situations and I would never do an online transaction without them.

A couple of things, use a Credit Card through paypal as that adds an extra layer of protection, and avoid people trying to re-coop Paypal's fees. This is a violation of the agreement they signed to use Paypal, and I always wonder what else they're willing to violate.

Good luck, let us know if Paypal can't resolve your issue.

  

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James R Registered since 31st Jan 2006Sun 02-Mar-08 02:34 PM
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#13. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Sun 02-Mar-08 02:36 PM by James R

Northridge, US
          

What is Peter's Nikonian name? Just in case some of us run into him on these threads.

jr

  

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delaneyb Silver Member Charter MemberSun 02-Mar-08 02:35 PM
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#14. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Sun 02-Mar-08 02:43 PM by delaneyb

London UK, GB
          

>I take it this person was not a Nikonian member?

Yes, unfortunately he is (since jan 08) -member petedcollins

Brendan
Nikonian in London (Tower Bridge area) UK

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James R Registered since 31st Jan 2006Sun 02-Mar-08 02:53 PM
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Northridge, US
          

Sorry this happened.

As a rule, I don't deal with people who have only been a member for a short time. Short time membership seems to be a constant factor with scammers. They join and start selling. No posting record other than on the Buy/Sell forums. Of course this doesn't help you now. Hope it works out.

jr

  

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US
          

At Christmas time this past year I bid on and won over at ebay a Nikon Coolpiz 5100 sold by VietCrime (should have been wary just by his username) for $300. He emailed a few times, then I never got it for weeks, I emailed him again and he wrote back he simply forgot and would send it. Never arrived. I then saw another buyer give feedack that he had been scammed by this guy on an iPod. I immediately contacted PayPal and filed a dispute, went through several weeks of that waiting for them to contact him, then upped it to a "Claim". Learned later that if you suspect a scam, you can file for the "Claim" immediately rather than wait through the lengthy process of "Dispute." Since I had paid with the PayPal Credit Card, I got all my money back. Not so lucky with another puchase I made at the same time. I won a bid on a used Nikon 300mg f/2.8 for $2250 sold by Marc_Lipke. He told me he'd send me a tracking number and never did. He had a seller rating of 99%, which I thought was good (Nope, only trust 100%) and PayPal was only guaranteeing up to $200 on him. I read another feedback from another buyer who reported he had been scammed, apparently out of the same lens I had won. The seller had posted the same lens again a few days after I had won it and this time sold it for $2400 to the other guy. We both had been scammed. I went through the PayPal process this time immediately posting it as a "Claim" rather than dispute and talked to PayPal Security folks. I was only able to recoup $200, lost the other $2000 since I had paid directly out of my account rather than use a credit card (will never make that mistake again with any big ticket items). The scammer used a friend's email address and the mobey was sent directly to the Ukraine. PayPal was unable to put a hold on his account and recoup. Paypal can only do so much, as another poster here noted, if the scammer has no money in his PayPal account, PayPal cannot recoup. Lessons learned are to always use a credit card or payment method that has fruad proection. And I will buy big ticket lens from reputable online places like Adorama, B&H, KEH...I'd rather now pay a little more at places like that and be guaranteed delivery rather than save a little and be scammed a lot. Good luck in recovering what you can or perhaps this is only a misunderstanding and the lens are in snailmail.

  

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Chaschesnutt Silver Member Charter MemberMon 03-Mar-08 04:13 AM
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#20. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Dallas, US
          


Now THAT advice (about the paypal credit card) is well worth the price of admission. Thanks very much.

Charles

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Blufox Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Feb 2007Sun 02-Mar-08 03:21 PM
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#17. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Nampa, US
          

I think that before everyone jumps on this guy and tries to have him arrested, perhaps he is legit and is just poor on the communication side of things? It does take a little time to receive things from overseas, especially with customs being as tight as it is these days. It can easily take 10 days or more, depending upon the carrier.

While I am not saying that there are not frauds out there, I have looked over some of his earlier postings, and he doesn't 'sound' like he was out to scam. I know that even scammers can make it look as if they are one of the group, but I tend to lean towards him being legit, albeit poor at communicating and perhaps slow on sending? He did mention "becuase of my job i cant promise when i might be able to disptach, would be within a week or so though." (his typos, not mine)

Maybe it is because I tend to trust people and have never been scammed myself (if I do, then my thoughts might change haha). For what it's worth, someone had mentioned that he had to give his CC in order to sign on with Nikonians, but ... he is on a free account ...

Anyway, good luck to you.

Larry
(who generally sticks to sellers from the States but has had good luck with overseas)

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Gazruss Registered since 24th Jan 2008Sun 02-Mar-08 06:03 PM
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#18. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Brooklin, CA
          

Don't think the "long time to ship and receive" is the problem, looking at the profiles, both seller and buyer are in the UK.

Coming from the UK originally, I would contact the police there if you suspect a real fraud has taken place. Experience of the fraud squad in the UK makes me think they will be more apt to help with a fraud than Paypal

Just my 2 Cents...

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DaveOHUSA Registered since 07th Dec 2007Mon 03-Mar-08 03:22 AM
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#19. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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US
          

So what is the big deal about talking to the police? If the "poor guy" is legit, then having the police talk to him isn't going to hurt anything... He'll have nothing to hide and nothing to worry about. The police are the good guys, like the OP and maybe the seller too... Just because someone calls the police does not mean anyone is getting arrested. That's why it is called talking to the proper authorities. They can figure it out so the OP doesn't get ripped off. There is no harm in having the police ask him his motivations in this matter. If the lenses showed up in the mail tomorrow, what is the harm in talking to the police today?

  

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bob28 Silver Member Nikonian since 25th Mar 2007Wed 05-Mar-08 11:57 PM
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#36. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Long Island, US
          

Why wait and give the package time to arrive. All the sender has to do is give the buyer a tracking number and I'm sure he would be happy. No tracking number equals fraud 99% of the time.

Bob

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delaneyb Silver Member Charter MemberThu 06-Mar-08 06:29 AM
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#37. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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London UK, GB
          

No tracking number - precisely.....
The lens should have arrived on the 22nd of Feb, i.e. next day , as it was supposedly posted special delivery within the UK.
Instead I get a lame excuse about travelling and then not being able to get it for me. that day.
Now 12 days of no response to my e-mails.

What would anyone make of that?

Brendan
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delaneyb Silver Member Charter MemberWed 12-Mar-08 08:44 PM
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#38. "UPDATE"
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London UK, GB
          

From Paypal today

We have completed our investigation of this case. We attempted to process a refund from the seller's account to your account. Unfortunately, the seller's account does not contain the funds necessary to cover this refund. We were able to recover £574.64 GBP. We have taken action against the seller and are working to recover the remainder of your refund. We will contact you when we have more information. No further action is required of you at this time.

So I think its time Mr Collins (petedcollins) was added to the 'fraudulent transactions list'. I would also like to see his membership revoked to protect other Nikonians. I am still £166 down.

Brendan
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hwdx347 Silver Member Charter MemberThu 13-Mar-08 12:02 PM
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#39. "RE: UPDATE"
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Maumelle, US
          

Brendan
Glad to see that PayPal got most of the cash back. I hope they get the remainder.

Hedley
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Chaschesnutt Silver Member Charter MemberMon 03-Mar-08 04:23 AM
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#21. "RE: I may have been the victim of a fraud on Nikonians......."
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Dallas, US
          


One thing that I have done is get the name and address and call them. Big lenses like that, and even smaller ones, require a basic knowledge of photography and Nikon terminology. Discussing this with the seller can bring out inexperience. Another issue is do they have a website? Or, and you can do this now, check the internet for the clerk of district court or clerk of criminal court in the area where he lives (easy if it is in a large US city) and pull up his name. Or, for $20 you can purchase a search of his criminal background.

I am going to suggest that Nikonians commence some type of verification program for members who wish to sell on Nikonians, a program that would establish in advance who someone really is, where they are and whether they have sold anything on Nikonians before. Because with free access, this problem is bound to escalate.

Charles

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TiggerGTO Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Feb 2006Mon 03-Mar-08 12:28 PM
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#22. "Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Apex, US
          

This scenario makes me wonder why the user profile does not display three pertinent facts:

1) "Member since" date
2) Membership level
3) Number of posts

I tried pulling up the profile of the person in question, and none of these data are present. These seems like quite valid and appropriate items to show in the profile view. They're shown in the header of a person's post -- why not in the view of the user's profile?

Danny
A Nikonian in North Carolina

  

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RockyIII Gold Member Nikonian since 27th May 2006Mon 03-Mar-08 04:40 PM
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#24. "RE: Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Raleigh, US
          

> They're shown in the header of a person's post --
> why not in the view of the user's profile?

Good point.

Rocky

  

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Gazruss Registered since 24th Jan 2008Mon 03-Mar-08 07:39 PM
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#25. "RE: Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Brooklin, CA
          

My thoughts are as follows...... I am a newbie here and would not want to say how things should be done. But i am also a user of a number of forums outside the photographic field. One thing i use quite often before i even think about buying something from a member is the ability to click on a users name (as at Nikonians) but be able to see more information on that user, including all the threads that the member has responded to, and started.If the member has been a lurker for months without really taking part, i am a bit wary, and would have more questions than if the member has been around for years with a lot of posts.

Again, just my 2 cents

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delaneyb Silver Member Charter MemberMon 03-Mar-08 08:20 PM
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#26. "Progress report"
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London UK, GB
          

OK,
Amex- I have to wait a few days and they will credit my account and pursue the stolen money via Paypal/the seller's bank.

I'm sorry to say but Mr Collins (petedcollins) has not proved trustworthy. Beware.

If Mr Collins, you are reading this thread, you have a few days to contact me and refund the money you have defrauded, otherwise your bank will be approached.

This has been a salutary experience for me, and I don't think I'll risk buying anything here again. Its just too open to fraudsters.

Brendan
Nikonian in London (Tower Bridge area) UK

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reuben Moderator Landscape and Sports in depth expertise Awarded for his article contributions to the Resources Nikonian since 21st Jan 2004Mon 03-Mar-08 11:37 PM
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#27. "RE: Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Mayo, US
          

You can find a member's posting history by using our Nikoscope search engine. Select "members" in the pulldown box. You can use the advanced search to scan a certain time period or forum.

Simplify

Cormorants

  

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jeverton Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Sep 2007Tue 04-Mar-08 12:42 AM
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#28. "RE: Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Austin, US
          

Simplicity is the key! I certainly hope the administrative team is taking note on these recommendations to improve the site. Speaking of continuous development… why isn’t there a dedicated forum for operations and the website?
Jeff

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reuben Moderator Landscape and Sports in depth expertise Awarded for his article contributions to the Resources Nikonian since 21st Jan 2004Tue 04-Mar-08 01:11 AM
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#29. "RE: Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Mayo, US
          

>Simplicity is the key!

I can get that info in just a few clicks. What simplicity do you request?

I certainly hope the administrative
>team is taking note on these recommendations to improve the
>site. Speaking of continuous development… why isn’t there a
>dedicated forum for operations and the website?

It's an infrequent topic, but when it arises it's usually discussed in the English Cafe. And yes, we do take note of such requests.

Simplify

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TiggerGTO Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Feb 2006Tue 04-Mar-08 11:23 AM
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#30. "RE: Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Apex, US
          

Steve,
Simplicity is being able to click on a poster's profile icon to view a summary of all the pertinent information. It really seems that the user's "Membership since" date, membership level and number of posts should be included since these are known facts about a member and provide at least some indication about the person's involvement in the Nikonians community. They are obviously easily available because they go into the header of every post, and I seem to remember that some or all of them were included in the profile information before the server migration.

As long as we're discussing these features, it would be nice if the profile page included a link that would perform the Nikoscope search for posts by that person and possibly another for threads started by that person.

One other thing that I've suggested to JRP and Bo is to add some sort of buyer/seller feedback mechanism that is part of a user's profile. People could add to the feedback sections of other people's profiles but not their own. My main reason for suggesting it was to remove the clutter of the feedback posts and threads in the "I want to sell" forum. However, after this thread and a new one I just noticed, I think maybe Nikonians is getting large enough that we need some extra features to help thwart this kind of stuff. I have had nothing but good experiences both buying and selling on Nikonians, and I've bought some fairly expensive items. It's a shame that people with bad intentions are becoming more of a threat to our community.

Danny
A Nikonian in North Carolina

  

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C_Otto Gold Member Nikonian since 12th Apr 2002Tue 04-Mar-08 11:57 AM
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#31. "RE: Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Manchester, US
          

>One other thing that I've suggested to JRP and Bo is to add
>some sort of buyer/seller feedback mechanism that is part of a
>user's profile. People could add to the feedback sections of
>other people's profiles but not their own. My main reason for
>suggesting it was to remove the clutter of the feedback posts
>and threads in the "I want to sell" forum.

I had been thinking along these lines, too. There is a potential for problem, though. If the feedback mechanism is not restricted solely to the two principles, a member disgruntled by not getting an item could deliberately add a poor rating to someone's profile. On the other hand, if the rating is restricted to just the principles, that would a thrid party, who has a legitimate beef, from making comments. Since many readers use web-based email clients, which have robust spam-filtering, the first responder's email may get lost.

Cliff
Alexandria, VA, USA

  

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jrp Administrator JRP is one of the co-founders, has in-depth knowledge in various areas. Awarded for his contributions for the Resources Charter MemberTue 04-Mar-08 05:47 PM
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#34. "RE: Requests"
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Wed 05-Mar-08 01:27 AM by jrp

San Pedro Garza García, MX
          

Let's separate the issues under consideration.

1.- The number of apparent fraudulent transactions at Nikonians has always been very low, very rare. The number seems to be growing as a result of the community membership growth in proportion.
The reason I wrote "apparent" above, is that most cases have been eventually resolved and were the result of trips, illness, mistakes.
Nikonians cooperates with local, state and federal authorities on the investigation of these issues. Proceedings start with an interested party complaint to the pertinent authorities.

2.- The guidelines to buy and sell, anchored ("pinned") in this forum, make suggestions for minimum precautions. Please read.

3.- A sellers rating feature is becoming a need because professional sellers are now members. We are currently investigating software options to aid in your buying decisions with more data on the seller.

4.- The inclusion of "Member since" and "Posts" was not included in the profile to avoid redundancy. We can consider adding it.
FYI, "Charter Member" means a member since before October-25-2005

5.- We recommend you become familiar with NikoScope and its Advanced Search, now indexed daily.

6.- We welcome all suggestions for improvements. Some will be feasible, other won't. Some will be easier and faster to implement, others won't.
No site is ever "done", it is a continuous "work in progress" and your help to identify areas of improvement is highly valued at Nikonians.
The place to make such suggestions is the About Nikonians & Galleries forum

7.- Please consider that Nikonians is a not-for-profit organization. Capital formation at the Nikonians Community, the PhotoProShop and the Nikonians Academy is fully reinvested in the community to sustain its operations and growth.
As such we run a very tight cash flow balance and any project -as small as it may look- requires careful weighting of the cost to benefit relationship and planning because it represents cash outlays that need to be programmed.

Your active promotion of Nikonians and paying memberships is very important and much appreciated.

Have a great time
JRP (Founder & Administrator. Nikonian at the north-eastern Mexican desert) Gallery, Brief Love Story, The Team
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jeverton Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Sep 2007Tue 04-Mar-08 05:22 PM
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#32. "RE: Request for additional user info in member profile"
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Austin, US
          

>Steve,
>Simplicity is being able to click on a poster's profile icon
>to view a summary of all the pertinent
>information. >Danny
>>size="2"]A Nikonian in North Carolina

Thanks Danny you've essentially summarized the point very eloquently.

Cheers,

Jeff

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delaneyb Silver Member Charter MemberTue 04-Mar-08 05:29 PM
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#33. "We have a problem here......."
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London UK, GB
          

I think Nikonians is a victim of its own success, in that it appears to have become a target for scammers.

The WTB forum is even higher risk as non-paid up members can respond to messages placed there (as in my case).

My suggestion would be to restrict access to both sell and buy forums to paying members only. There is at least the knowledge that Nikonians have the payment card details of an individual posting. This may deter scammers.

As for PP - it exists to serve its own profits and is little better than extortion itself. i won't be using it again in future.

Brendan
Nikonian in London (Tower Bridge area) UK

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RichL Registered since 17th Apr 2007Wed 05-Mar-08 02:19 AM
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#35. "Much Better Than PayPal"
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Ossining, US
          

I recently bought a 17-55 from ponderosabob. I noticed that he was only a Nikonian for a couple of months, so I was a bit nervous about buying a $1000 item from someone who was essentially unknown here. I was happy when he told me that he did not do PayPal, but did use escrow.com. We used escrow.com and the transaction went perfectly.

I strongly recommend that all Nikonians consider using escrow.com for transactions of any significant amount. You are guaranteed protection from non-delivery of goods. It costs a couple of pennies more than PayPal, but it's worth it when you would otherwise risk several hundred bucks or more.

  

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