#1. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 0
Fri 26-Oct-12 05:52 PM | edited Fri 26-Oct-12 06:00 PM by gkaiseril
And MicroSoft is going to buy and test every possible piece of software?
It appears the current Nikon codec does not work, so you will either need to write an update or wait for someone else to update the code.
Since Windows 8 just released the commercial version yesterday, you may need to wait a couple of days or weeks to see what falls out.
There could also be conflicts with other installed software that was not found during the beta test period.
Just as a side note, even though there are phones and tablets running Windows 8 it will not have all the features of a full computer version because the chips for mobile devices do not have all the capacity and functions that a desktop or laptop computer chip set provides.
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#2. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 0
Sat 27-Oct-12 10:22 PM
I ran the assistant as well. Like you said, not all applications showed up. The reasoning, according to Microsoft, is that not all apps have been tested yet. So they won't commit to how they will respond.
I run Win 7 Pro and probably will for the next couple years anyway - unless my PC poops out and I have to replace it.
#3. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 2
Sun 28-Oct-12 08:14 AM
Have decided not to bother, just looking at wht the assistant found it will cost me the equivalent of about 200 USD to update some of my programs to Win 8 versions, thats before I find out about the remainder. No Capture NX2 info yet and Photo Mechanic is not mentioned but no doubt that will be sorted by the PM people.
I would start thinking about a Mac if I could afford it.
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#5. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 3
Wed 31-Oct-12 04:11 PM
Because businesses did not buy into Vista and dragged their feet on Windows 7 and demanded they be allowed to continue with Windows XP, Window XP sales continued long after it was to be terminated for support. Businesses did not want to invest the new software and hardware that Windows 7 demanded and only recently due to their incremental updates to their software and hardware have businesses deployed Windows 7. I would guess they will act the same with Windows 8 but it might not be as long as it was with Windows 7.
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#6. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 5
Wed 31-Oct-12 06:38 PM | edited Wed 31-Oct-12 06:39 PM by kennoll
I don't know George. You may be right, but, IMHO, it going to take a lot longer as Win 8 is a paradigm shift in that the whole premise is based on the use of touch screens which, typically, businesses don't use (unless they're used for graphics which most likely would be Macs). Also, since MS provided a upgrade assistant, something I don't think they did before, to check which apps will/won't/don't know run with Win 8, I would be very cautious about introducing Win 8 into a business environment. Add to that the apps that are custom made for specific business applications.
When I went from Win 64 to XP, very few problems. Win XP to Win 7 Pro, again few problems. With Win 8 there's an "upgrade Assistant". Wow. When I ran the Win 8 upgrade assistant it seems that half of the apps including CNX2, VNX2, LR4, and several others on my machine were in the limbo, "don't know" category. I didn't see Win Office 2010 either making it a "don't know". Visio 2003 was in the No category.
Businesses, of the larger version, typically have a PC department responsible for testing and distributing new apps and OS's. I'm sure (at least I would hope) they will be very cautious and detailed in their evaluation of the new OS. Both the server version and the desktop version. PC acquisition will change. At first only the "in" people will get touch screens. Then pretty soon the whole corporate headquarters will demand touch screens. Then on it goes. Costly.
Even so, I may download Win 8 just to get it at a good price. I have a laptop and bought a new hard drive to run Win 7 Pro on. Saved the old (Vista) laptop hard drive. Pretty much all of my photo processing is done on a desktop so maybe I'll load Win 8 to the old laptop drive and give it a test..
#7. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 6
Wed 31-Oct-12 07:26 PM
Most versions of Windows provided some type of software analysis. Businesses might a unit break on software, but the overall cost can be several thousands of dollars. As for hardware a network printer for a business is most likely a long term lease and the cost to break it can get to be quite expensive on 500 printers. Since many large enterprises have custom built applications, Microsoft has not tested them and the organization needs to perform extensive testing. I just found an issue because of a Windows 7 upgrade in June where the UK office is using the European date format (mm-dd-yy) to enter data into one of our databases instead of the U.S. standard that the application was written for (dd-mm-yy). This results in date for some entries on July 7, 2012 to be listed as occurring on December 7, 2012. Can you foresee the problems this can cause in an accounting or tax system that need to report date a quarterly basis?
The firm I work for has also had a number of employees upgrade to Windows 8 without permission and they are now encountering a number of problems that the firms support team is not prepared to handle.
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#8. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 7
Wed 31-Oct-12 07:47 PM
Where I worked, BR (before retirement), a global, wholesale/retail warehouse, it was not allowed to download new software on ones own. Tsk, tsk. Not to say it didn't happen..
I just bought Win 8 for my laptop and wanted to download to my desktop PC. But, after starting the download it did not ask me where to put it. Unusual. Once downloaded it started to install. Wait! No! So I aborted. I now have a question into Microsoft to find out where the download goes.
Anyone here tried to download Win 8? What's your experience?
#16. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 8
Highlander_Italy Registered since 09th May 2012Tue 20-Nov-12 09:29 PM
Look for a hidden folder in the C:/ root called ESD i.e. C:/ESD
You'll find all you need in there.
If you burn a bootable DVD with the content of the EDS folder you'll get your genuine Windows 8 back-up copy
You could also create a bootable memory stick with the same content and decide to install Windows 8 from there.
Hope this helps
#17. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 16
#18. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 17
Highlander_Italy Registered since 09th May 2012Wed 21-Nov-12 07:44 AM
>As far as the desktop is concerned I guess I can delete the
>C:/ESD file? I'm not planning on installing Win 8 on it.
You can definitely delete the folder as soon as you make a copy of its content for future use i.e. fresh installation of the O.S.
#13. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 6
Thu 01-Nov-12 08:00 PM
OK, I downloaded Win 8 and installed it on the old Vista laptop (circa 2009) drive. First thing I learned is that when you download Win 8 it will go right into install mode. So, be ready to install immediately on download. You will have an opportunity to 1) save current windows settings and personal stuff, 2) save personal stuff only, or 3) do a clean install saving nothing. I chose #2.
The build took a while. Once I made the above decision there was little input from me for the rest of the install.
Once installed and running things do look different from previous Windows. Lots of boxes representing various apps. You can go through those and "unpin" the apps you don't need/want. Those that are left you can move around depending on frequency of use or whatever.
Downloaded Camera Control Pro 2 and VNX2. Installed both. They look to work fine. At least in the minimum testing I did the apps didn't break nor did they result in blue screens.
Also loaded Adobe Reader and Google Chrome. Unpinned the IE shortcut as it's job was done.
BTW, my laptop is not of the touch screen variety.
Win 8 takes a little time to get used to but, knowing it's a Windows OS under the hood, one gets the feel of it fairly soon.
Now for LR4....
#9. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 0
>I just ran the Windows 8 Upgrade assistant, interestingly it
>lists View NX and Nikon Transfer as being compatable but
>doesnt mention Capture NX.
>I also wonder about the Nikon RAW codec?
If you like experimenting with computers (as I do):
- Do a system backup (I don't need to tell you this because you regularly back up your computer , right?)
- In Windows 7, go to Computer Management and create a new partition
- Pop in a Windows 8 DVD in your CD drive and install Win 8 in this new partition. I chose B:\ to be a rebel.
- Every time your computer boots it will prompt you if you want Win 7 or Win 8
- Use 8 for a (long) while including installing your fave programs.
At your leisure, decide which you want to keep.
A lot of what was released for Win 7 (including drivers and software) works fine under Win 8.
I am enjoying Win 8 on my touchscreen laptop. It took a couple of days to get it working well.
#11. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 9
Thu 01-Nov-12 07:26 AM
Peter I wouldnt dispute what you say but my original point was based on someome like myself with more modest means wanting to have windows 8 on a strightforward laptop, nothing as modern as touch screens.
I dont think any amount of backup or PC savvy is going to cough up for 100 odd dollars to change my Microsoft Word for the latest version, I also have to pay for several more updates which as I said before come to about 200 USD (so far)
The Win 8 blurb agrees with you that it is all straightforward which it no doubt is and although I dont pretend to be an expert I am capable of installing new programs.
What I am saying is that if I follow the assistant I am well out of pocket on just the known bits.
If you start out with a nice new PC in the first place its going to have in most cases the latest version of everthing already.
A small example (nothing to do with Photography)- Win Media centre has to be replaced, I am sure your new laptop will have its replacemet/new version in situ at no extra cost.
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#15. "RE: Win 8" | In response to Reply # 11
Thu 01-Nov-12 09:36 PM
>The Win 8 blurb agrees with you that it is all straightforward
>which it no doubt is and although I dont pretend to be an
>expert I am capable of installing new programs.
What you say makes sense. My recommendation was for those interested in experimenting.
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