Some time ago I asked questions about keywords, can i resurect the subject in case any newer members can help please?
My keyword list is huge, I can delete from it using - C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\Nikon\Capture NX 2\application.cfg
But the list just replicates itself later on as images are opened. Is the following correct?
I open an old image & all the keywords from that image ie keywords that have been inserted previously are reinserted into the list in NX2, (XMP/ITPC info menu). If I open another image all its keywords are inserted into the list and any words which were also in the first image are inserted again. So if I have say 400 images which I open at any time, all their keywords are now in that list and duplicated many times.
I am talking about keywords alreaady in the images obviously any new ones will also be added?
(I know that words can be deleted in the menu but that does not permenently remove them)
Thanks and apologies for opening an old subject but could someone at least tell me what happens in their NX2? I have the latest legal version and have done a reinstal.
This is not a direct answer to your question, but I would not use CNX for keywording or any IPTC data entry ot management.It is sometimes convenient to do it there, but this is not CNX forte (neither is file management).
Use a program like Photo Mechanic. It is extremely easy and flexible in keywording and an excellent image file manager. You can use structure keyword lists (either imported or your own, to insure that you ahve consistent keywords.
Mick thanks for that, have been thinking about PM for some time. My problem will still be there though because when I open an image in Capture that list will still keep populating with whatever keywords are embedded. I just wanted to kmow if other peoples NX2 behaved the same.
Capture NX may keep doing it's thing with keywords and it's own list, but it should not have any impact on the keywords associated with a file. I do all of my keywording in PM, and never in CNX. I have not had CNX make an unwanted change to an image's keywords.
Could I use PM just for keywording and catalogue purposes without it interfering with CNX 2 as an editor? My needs are very simple I process one NEF in CNX 2 then produce a Tif & a jpeg from the master adding keywords, thats about it, apart from naming & filing the images onto an external HD.
Mick after some hassle I have the demo version of PM working, do you use Win 64 bit by any chance? PM faqs say PM is for Win 32 bit, I assume that it will still work in the way that NX2 does where that too is for Win 32b bit. Yet another very steep learning curve now.
Mick sorry to bother you again would you mind a stupid question? I downloaded the trial of PM but cannot see how to search for keywords in TIFFs, searching for keywords only finds jpegs, is that normal or perhaps just the trial version? Thanks
I don't think the trial version has any limitations, so you should be able to do it.
I just tried it and it searches any image based on whether your have "Selected photos" or "All photos" picked in the Find (or Find and Replace) Dialog after "In:" (2nd line). also be sure you have checked IPTC data and Keywords.
If you are having any more difficulty, post a note in the Camera Bits forums. They have great support. It's a good chance to try it out.
Hello again Mick nice to see a friendly face in my post at PM bits. Strangely we have not found my problem, while I can embed keywords in a new NX2 Tif OK in the PM demo I still cannot see keywords in my old stored TIFs from NX2 (in the demo) Seems very expensive for my needs under those circumstances, especially as when its working properly NX2 has a very easy IPTC/XMP system especially for presets. NX2 also has most other little extras like coloured tags etc and upgrades are free. Would still like to have PM when i get over the hurdle as I find the browser nice to use and fast to open. I think the answer must be in the way I have processed my NEF/Tif until recently in NX2. I intend taking a brand new RAW today, putting keywords into it from NX2 and producing a tif from the master before opening in PM, ie to start from the beginning
I looked at IMatch,cheap, nice catalogue but no direct input for single keywords, I dont want to spend all that time producing catorgories etc. They basically indicate that keywords are old fashioned.
ps, think I have the answer, some of my original NEF did not have the keywords in their properties. Therefore the TIFs derived from them (although these TIFs do have keywords in them)do not appear in the IPTC/XMP of PM. All future images should be OK provided I enter keywords into the NEF in the first place either in NX2 or PM. That just leaves the problem of whether or not I can modify my original NEFs at this stage big job or not. Will try copy & paste backwards from the TIF to the repective NEF.
While PM is an added cost. I think once you use it, you will find it really speeds up and improves your workflow. It is designed to be a fast file manager/browser,and the IPTC, tagging and color rating capabilities are far superior to CNX. CNX is really a raw converter/editor with file management capabilities grafted on. And when a few preferences are set properly in both apps, they work very well together.
I use CNX for editing NEF's, creating JPGs and TIFs, and printing. PM does almost all of my other management chores (copying, renaming, uploading, resizing), and is also the base from which I open images in other programs for specialty work that I can't do in CNX (SilverEfex, Perfect Resize, Noiseware, etc).
PM does give you free upgrades to all of the updates in the same major version number (currently V4.x.x), and I believe that they will give you a free or low cost update to the next major version (5.x.x), depending on when you purchased your current version.
I will be buying PM but expensive for a single hobbyist non commercial user. As a matter of interest for non USA persons (Me) I have checked about Nikonians discount and it is indeed available at 10% making price $135 BUT carriage for the CD is $25 to Europe so not much point bothering as it would actually cheaper at $150 to download in the first place without discount. There is some sort of way which I dont completely understand of downloading to disk with the discount but that means putting all details, card number etc into an email which doesnt sound a good idea. I may have missed the point somewhere but thats how I read things.
Delete all of the keywords from all of the various places within all files first. This may not be easy, but it can be done by selecting multiple files.
Once keywords are cleared out of the files then you can modify application.cfg and problem should be fixed. But, if you missed one and that file is opened, the keywords will be copied back to application.cfg. At least this is what appears to happen.
I recommend finding another way to populate files with keywords rather than CNX2.
Have bought PM although its a bit over the top really for a simple hobbyist especialy as Capture NX2 has the Keyword facility built in. Nikon eventually gave up on the Keywords. I feel sure I am not the only one to present them with the problem - well there are many others with the anomaly on the web. I think Nikon are very helpful up to a point but then they either dont know the answer or do know but pretend its something they havent met up with before & at that point they drop you like a hot brick. Of course when a new version comes out it is usually just to cover new camera models and not already known about failures.