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falevian Registered since 20th May 2009Wed 29-Dec-10 04:32 PM
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"Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"


Madrid, ES
          

I missed Tri-x for a long time. Finally, I decided to create a Picture Control curve for my Capture NX2, triying to emulate the charateristic curve of this great film.
I download the Kodak documentation, and I made a map between the curve of the Tri-x using D-76 10 minutes( the one I used to use)
and the curve in Picture Control. I decided to be able to register the more quantity of levels in this new digital world, so I made
a rescalation between both curves.
The final product is the curve attached. I hope this will be usefull for someone else.

http://www.nikonians.org/dcfp/user_files/183797.zip






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rbaskin Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Feb 2007Wed 29-Dec-10 09:30 PM
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#1. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Ridgefield, US
          

Thanks for this. I'm an old Tri-X fan myself and was disappointed that Color Efex didn't have a film emulation filter for it.

I'll give it a try.

Ralph in CT

  

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robsb Platinum Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his expertise in CNX2 and his always amicable and continuous efforts to help members Laureate Ribbon awarded for winning in the Best of Nikonians 2013 images Photo Contest Nikonian since 23rd Aug 2006Wed 29-Dec-10 11:34 PM
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#2. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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San Jose, US
          

Thanks for the effort

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nightcat Registered since 05th Mar 2006Thu 30-Dec-10 08:14 PM
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#3. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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LaCrosse,WI, US
          

Thanks. I love trying out new picture controls.

Kraig

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JES44 Registered since 19th Feb 2007Thu 30-Dec-10 11:26 PM
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#4. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Tampa, US
          

Tri-X was my 35mm film of choice for many years. I used the "amateur" version (ISO 400), under exposed it slightly and processed in D76 1:1 to make gorgeous 16x20 prints. I love color digital photography, but have not been able to duplicate the look of the B&W prints that I made in my darkroom. I downloaded the trial of Nik's Silver Efex Pro, but decided that I could do just as well with NX2.

Thanks, falevian for taking the time to put this control together and posting it for us. I installed your control into NX2 and will be experimenting with it. Along with the tonal curve, getting the right "grain" look is also important.

Some of the best digital B&W images I've ever seen are at a Pbase gallery by Bill Harris. http://www.pbase.com/billharris/root

Jim in Tampa, FL

  

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falevian Registered since 20th May 2009Sat 01-Jan-11 04:55 PM
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#5. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Madrid, ES
          

Thank you all.
Please, if you try the curve send me your comments. Is the first version, I'm going to adapt the curve as best as possible.


I agree, the grain is very important. But the curve is the part of the set of parameters that you have to use in according to simulate the Tri-x Film. One can use the curve in the camera, and use it to verify how is the general contrast. Then, I apply I use the grain of the Nik software, because you can use different type of grain in shadows, gray and lights.

I can prepare a set of parameters for Capture Nx2 to be applied in postprocesing.

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jib2 Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Feb 2009Sun 02-Jan-11 01:08 PM
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#6. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Sun 02-Jan-11 01:10 PM by jib2

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I like your Tri-X picture control. Attached is a picture done using your control. The only other things I did was add a little more contrast and crop. This is a picture of my daughter taken a few years ago. Yes, she also is a Nikon user as well. Here she is shooting a F100 loaded with BW film.


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falevian Registered since 20th May 2009Sun 02-Jan-11 04:42 PM
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#7. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Sun 02-Jan-11 04:42 PM by falevian

Madrid, ES
          

Yes, I needed more contrast in the curve. I´ve prepared a set for Capture NX2. I was analizing old Tri-x film, and I tried to copy the distributio of the grain. I used coarse grain, more grain in shados, less in middle tones, and much less in lights.
So:
1) Version 1.1 Tri-x Curve, prepared for be installed in the camera. You can also use it in Capture NX2.
2) Settins for Capture NX2

To install the settings, you have to click on the gears icon -> Load Adjustments -> and select the file of the configuration (Tri-X Color Efex)
If you have Color Efex Pro, you can apply this set of parameters, that include grain, the Tri-x Curve.

I also include a photo "developed" with this parameters.






Curve:
http://www.nikonians.org/dcfp/user_files/184141.zip

Adjustments
http://www.nikonians.org/dcfp/user_files/184142.zip

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rbaskin Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Feb 2007Sun 02-Jan-11 10:57 PM
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#8. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Ridgefield, US
          

I'm loving your Tri-X picture control - I've been trying to get this look in my B&W conversions for a while. Can't wait to try the adjustment settings and ver 1.1.

Thanks again.

Ralph in CT

  

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falevian Registered since 20th May 2009Mon 03-Jan-11 11:52 AM
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#9. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Madrid, ES
          

Thank you. Please, try it and tell us what do you think about the curve,
what do you need, yor impressions...
Falevian
>I'm loving your Tri-X picture control - I've been trying to
>get this look in my B&W conversions for a while. Can't
>wait to try the adjustment settings and ver 1.1.
>
>Thanks again.
>
>Ralph in CT

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rbaskin Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Feb 2007Wed 05-Jan-11 02:44 AM
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#11. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Ridgefield, US
          

I really like the results of the curve and the grain. When I used the adjustment set I saw that it also modified the Develop section to use Monochrome and put an orange filter on the B&W setting.

For my own use I've separated the curve from the picture control by taking your version 1.1 and adding the orange filter. I prefer to sharpen later in the process and retain control over it, so I removed sharpening from the picture control as well. I then used your settings for the grain and created my own Color Efex adjustment that can be added later.

This may turn the process into more steps, but I like to keep my options open. I've also found that a tweaked Color Efex Pro Contrast filter with either a normal or screen setting combined with an opacity of around 90% has worked really well on some of my shots.

Thanks again for all your work - great stuff!

Ralph in CT

  

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falevian Registered since 20th May 2009Wed 05-Jan-11 03:52 PM
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#13. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Madrid, ES
          

Perfect. I include all the steps for be easy to use to people that don´t know deeply Capture NX2. I use my settings as a begining, each photo is a world...
Monocrome is associated to the curve. Now, thanks to you, I´m thinking in two versions of the parameters.
1) The first version is for the camera, including the curve, and the red filter. The red or orange filter give us more contrast and a spectral response similar to a extended panchromatic film like Tri-X. It is important, because the Tri-x was more sensitive to red than greens, and the digital sensor has a different response.
You can see it in the curve attached. This is only for PREVISUALIZATION. You have to take the picture in RAW, of course.



2) Then, in Capture NX2, you can apply a new curve and convert it to black and white using adjustements, so you can have more control. I´m going to prepare the adjustments...

Instead the constrast filter, I use the Tonal contrast to increase the contrasst by zones.
I´m going to prepare teh 1.2 version, thank you!

>I really like the results of the curve and the grain. When I
>used the adjustment set I saw that it also modified the
>Develop section to use Monochrome and put an orange filter on
>the B&W setting.
>

>For my own use I've separated the curve from the picture
>control by taking your version 1.1 and adding the orange
>filter. I prefer to sharpen later in the process and retain
>control over it, so I removed sharpening from the picture
>control as well. I then used your settings for the grain and
>created my own Color Efex adjustment that can be added later.
>
>This may turn the process into more steps, but I like to keep
>my options open. I've also found that a tweaked Color Efex
>Pro Contrast filter with either a normal or screen setting
>combined with an opacity of around 90% has worked really well
>on some of my shots.
>
>Thanks again for all your work - great stuff!
>
>Ralph in CT

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robsb Platinum Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his expertise in CNX2 and his always amicable and continuous efforts to help members Laureate Ribbon awarded for winning in the Best of Nikonians 2013 images Photo Contest Nikonian since 23rd Aug 2006Wed 05-Jan-11 01:54 AM
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#10. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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San Jose, US
          

Which camera have you created the control for? My D700 expects an NOP suffix and does not recognize the file as a picture control. The color Effects file does load in CNX2 as a set and when I apply it, it adds the grain adjustment and uses what looks like a modified Monochrome Picture Control but it does not have a TRi-X name. If this is your tri-x PC, then I could always open it in the editor and resave it with the TRI-X name.

Awaiting further info from you. I have had no trouble adapting the picture controls from others here in the forum.

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falevian Registered since 20th May 2009Wed 05-Jan-11 03:53 PM
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#14. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Madrid, ES
          

Hi.
I used a D300 and the Capture NX 2.2.6...
Let me review it...

>Which camera have you created the control for? My D700
>expects an NOP suffix and does not recognize the file as a
>picture control. The color Effects file does load in CNX2 as a
>set and when I apply it, it adds the grain adjustment and uses
>what looks like a modified Monochrome Picture Control but it
>does not have a TRi-X name. If this is your tri-x PC, then I
>could always open it in the editor and resave it with the
>TRI-X name.
>
>Awaiting further info from you. I have had no trouble adapting
>the picture controls from others here in the forum.

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#12. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Tampa, US
          

Here's an attempt at the Tri-X look. I used your curve, but not the monochrome and grain settings for NX2. When I apply the settings, it lightens the image too much. I'm finding that there doesn't seem to be a one-click solution to get the right look. Each image I've worked on required individual tweaking to get the look I wanted. I adjust the B&W filter and strength, brightness and contrast to make the image on the screen look like a print in the developer tray. As I was working on this image, I realized I was exposing for the shadows and developing for the highlights.

Jim in Tampa


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falevian Registered since 20th May 2009Wed 05-Jan-11 03:55 PM
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#15. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Wed 05-Jan-11 04:32 PM by falevian

Madrid, ES
          

Hi.
May be the lights are to much over-lighted. It is difficult to adjust using the small tool in Capture NX2.
Anybody else detect this problem?

Thank you for you information...


>Here's an attempt at the Tri-X look. I used your curve, but
>not the monochrome and grain settings for NX2. When I apply
>the settings, it lightens the image too much. I'm finding that
>there doesn't seem to be a one-click solution to get the right
>look. Each image I've worked on required individual tweaking
>to get the look I wanted. I adjust the B&W filter and
>strength, brightness and contrast to make the image on the
>screen look like a print in the developer tray. As I was
>working on this image, I realized I was exposing for the
>shadows and developing for the highlights.
>
>Jim in Tampa
>
>

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falevian Registered since 20th May 2009Wed 05-Jan-11 04:31 PM
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#16. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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Wed 05-Jan-11 05:36 PM by falevian

Madrid, ES
          

Tri-x 1.2

In the zip you can find:
1) Tri-X emulation Curve for Capture NX2. Tri-x.ntc
2) Tri-X emulation Curve for Picture Control in CAMERA. NIKON/CUSTOMPC/PICCON30.NCP. You have to copy as is into the card and put it into the camera, the import using the Picture Control Utility on the camera. I used the slot 30, but yo can use other.
3) Seetings for Capture NX2 with Color EFEX Pro. I love the efect. You have to have imported the Tri-x curve to be useful. Tri-x-1.2-settins for Capture NX2.set



The new version have more control over the lights, I´m still using red or orange filter because of the spectral sensitivity of the original film.
And I love my own settings, ussually I have to do almost nothing over the image...

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robsb Platinum Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his expertise in CNX2 and his always amicable and continuous efforts to help members Laureate Ribbon awarded for winning in the Best of Nikonians 2013 images Photo Contest Nikonian since 23rd Aug 2006Thu 06-Jan-11 03:18 AM
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#17. "RE: Tri-x curve (Picture Control) for Camera and Capture NX"
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San Jose, US
          

I got it to work. I was not watching and stuck the file in the wrong folder on my CF card. It loaded to camera just fine. I also loaded the new set to CNX2, but then I made two minor changes. First I loaded just the TRI-X Picture Control in the Development section and then create and saved a none sharpened version of it. and then I loaded the CNX2 set and changed out the Monochrome PC with the named TX PC and re saved that as a new set, so now when I load the set it shows the TX PX in the development section. I know it is the same as your monochrome set, but I like to name my PC's distinctively and I always create non sharpened versions of all my picture controls. thanks again for your efforts, they are appreciated.

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