I am using ViewNX2. When I have re-sized an image, I can no longer view all the metadata for that image. Of particular importance for my work is the date and time when the image was taken which normally resides in File Info 2. After processing, I can only see the 'date modified' field in File Info 1. Any help would be welcome.
I save the file as a 72 dpi, jpeg. My frustration is that following a hard-drive crash a couple of months ago I lost the Nikon View program which came with my earlier D100 - a program no longer supported by Nikon. With it, the relevant data stayed with the image and was readily viewed.
I found the dialogue screen you showed, but the boxes are not ticked. I use Photoshop CS2 to process my images. I have looked at every possibility which might allow me to choose which metadata is retained and cannot fathom why the program chooses to show only the File Info 1 containing the Date Created and Date Modified rather than File Info 2 which shows the Date Shot. For some reason I don't understand, the Date Created in File Info 1 is not the same as Date Shot in File Info 2.
I am sure the problem resides with the ViewNX2 program because I have been using Photoshop CS2 for several years and the metadata was always visible for processed images when viewed with NikonView (the earlier version of ViewNX.) I feel there must be a setting I have missed - or should I accept that the newer improved Nikon viewing software is actually a step backwards in this respect.
>I am sure the problem resides with the ViewNX2 program >because I have been using Photoshop CS2 for several years and >the metadata was always visible
We must be doing something different; I just opened an image in ViewNX2, resized it, saved it, and as you can see more than File Info 1 is present in the saved image. I've used every version of NikonView, ViewNx and ViewNx2 and never had the issue you describe. Also note the Date Created (when I just fiddled with the image) and the Date Shot are different as they are supposed to be.
Thank you George and Freewheeler, I really appreciate having your thoughts. As I explained, I lost Nikon View in a harddrive failure but still have it on my wife's laptop. I have taken one of my modified images to her machine and opened it in Nikon View - all the metadata is visible. I have opened the same modified image in Photoshop and gone to File > File Info and again the 'date shot' is there. So, the information is not being stripped by Photoshop as implied by the Techie I rang at the Nikon Support help line. The problem must lie in the way the metadata is displaying on my ViewNX 2 program. I certainly do not have multiple fields visible as shown in Freewheeler's post. Once I modify the image, the only metadata left is that shown in the File Info 1 field. Yesterday I installed the update to take my version from 2.0.1 to 2.0.3 but there was no improvement. Perhaps I have to remove the program completely and re-install from scratch??
I am not sure I understand your third question. When I have the modified image open in Photoshop, and go to File > File Info > Advanced, I can see the Date Shot in TIFF Properties, XMP Core Properties, EXIF Properties and PDF Properties.
PhotoShop uses a special side car file, that is a file associated with the image that holds information which may or may not be included in the image. The side car file is only matched up to the image by the Adobe programs that access a special database maintained by the Adobe product but this data is not shared with other programs.
Without a sample image, it is hard to tell what is going on.
Have you been able to view the metadata in any other program?
The Exif data consist of various sections. Some of the data is repeated in other sections and some data is unique to a specific section. Some programs add additional data, ignore or possibly remove data.
Exif is an industry standard. IPTC is used by wire services. XMP is Adobe's replacement for IPTC. MakerNote is unique by manufacturer and possible model.
I posted two replies and I think I answered your questions in post No. 9 where I responded to both George and Freewheeler. I have to head off to work now so will post an image tonight. I am fairly new to posting to the forum so may make a few bungles on the way through.
Attached is an image taken in early September. ViewNX 2 is giving today's date for both Date Created and Date Modified but is not showing Date Shot. Photoshop still shows the date shot under File > File Info.
Thu 16-Dec-10 08:48 AM | edited Thu 16-Dec-10 09:02 AM by robsb
I believe this is a bug. Date shot shows in Capture NX2 and in View NX2 I created a custom preset in Meta Data to show date shot which is under File Info 2 but the preset did not change the viewable data as it should have. The standard view only includes File Info 1 and that is why you are not seeing date shot. Why View NX2 will let you set up custom presets to let you display the image data you want and then have it not work means there is a bug and it should be reported to Nikon, so I filed a bug report tonight.
They are looking at a different image than you are.
Using Nikon View NX2 version 2.03 your image only shows "File Info 1" metadata, while other images not processed by Adobe software have "File Info 1", "File Info 2", "Camera Info", "Exposure", "Flash", "Image Settings", "Picture Control", and "GPS" sections.
It appears that Adobe software is modifying this data in a manner that prevents Nikon View NX2 from displaying the information.
>They are looking at a different image than you are. > >Using Nikon View NX2 version 2.03 your image only shows >"File Info 1" metadata, while other images not >processed by Adobe software have "File Info 1", >"File Info 2", "Camera Info", >"Exposure", "Flash", "Image >Settings", "Picture Control", and >"GPS" sections. > >It appears that Adobe software is modifying this data in a >manner that prevents Nikon View NX2 from displaying the >information.
Guy's You are all correct. Last night I opened the Ops image in View NX2 and did not see the File Info 2 and created a custom setting to show it, but the "ALL" selection actually has everything in it that "Custom" lets you select individually. It must have been late, and my brain was running on 2 cylinders, because I did not check any of my own images, which are not processed in Adobe SW, and when I tried that this morning I saw every seting on my own images, so it is definately related to how Adobe is processing the file, and it may be that all of this data is in the side car, and not in the main file.
Adobe uses 'sidecar' files to store data and there is a special catalog file that has the association of the image file and sidecar file.
But when using a 3rd party Exif viewer, I can see the data that would display in File Info 2 group or other groups that are not displaying. So I do not think this is a sidecar file issue. I have also seen this issue with images edited by software other than Nikon or Adobe.
>G'day Bob, > >I do not understand your comment that "it may be that all >of this data is in the side car, and not in the main >file". Are you talking View NX 2 or Photoshop? > >Does this imply that I may be able to make changes to the way >that View NX 2 displays so I can see the metadata or is it >hidden by Photoshop and not able to be displayed by View NX >2? > >I must say I am surprised that, if this is a bug in View NX 2, >that I am the only photographer who is troubled by being >unable to access the Date Shot field in processed images.
I have let the request to Nikon stand because I still think there is an issue because Capture NX2 will display the Date Shot field. My supposition that it may be in the side car file was just that a supposition. But let us assume for amoment that the data may be handled differently by Capture NX2 and View NX2. If that is true then it would be a limitation of the View NX2 code. What is beyond refute is that files unprocessed by Adobe have no issues with all Metadata being displayed by View NX2 and it is also true that Capture NX2 will display date shot even if it was processed by Adobe.
The issue is that Adobe processed images do not display all of the expected Exif data. The data is not removed but Nikon View NX2 for some reason can not process the data and ignores it and in ignoring the data does not display the additional groups. See the screen shots below that show what Nikon View NX2 is displaying.
Posted sample in Nikon View NX2:
An image not processed by Adobe software:
I am able to see the missig data when using ExifTool by Phil Harvey and Opanda viewers.
>I believe this is a bug. Date shot shows in Capture NX2 and >in View NX2 I created a custom preset in Meta Data to show >date shot which is under File Info 2 but the preset did not >change the viewable data as it should have. The standard view >only includes File Info 1 and that is why you are not seeing >date shot.
What standard view? My standard view includes File Info 1, File Info 2, Camera Info, Exposure, Flash, Image Settings, Picture Control, etc. etc. Note that the Metadata dropdown is indicating "All"; I have never changed this, so over here this is my normal view.
And what happens if all the data in "File Info 2", "Camera Info", etc. is missing or not accessible by Nikon View NX2 or the data is taken from a different section of the MetaData that is now missing, like the MakerNote. My test and posting shows that these data sections do not appear in Nikon View NX2 for Hugh's provided image, see reply #21.
The top image is Hugh's example image opened in Nikon View NX2 ver 2.03 showing "All" metadata and the bottom image shows one of my images in the same program and version with the "All" metadata option. Note that the change in the sections of data available to the user.
In reply #24, I used ExifGui and ExifTool to examine the example image's Exif data, and the missing data appears in the Exif section. The following image shows the MakerNote for Hugh's image:
I see that Nikon ViewNX2 displays different data for different images.
If you want to repeat what I did by clicking on the |Attachment #1, (jpg file) in reply #15 to open Hugh's image in your web browser, save the file as a Jpeg to your local system, open the saved Jpeg in your version of Nikon ViewNX2, and observe what is displayed.
I observe the same issue Hugh has noted when opening images resized by Windows image resizing tool. Also the MakerNote data has been removed by the process.
Since the makernote data is proprietary and the format isn't publish by the camera makers a lot of software vendors don't try to rewrite it when exif data is changed, they just drop it. That's because an error in rewriting the proprietary data could corrupt the rest of the data.
And how does not having the MakerNote affect the data provided by Nikon View NX2?
My guess is that if the MakerNote is not present, then the additional data groups are not displayed even if the data is in the Exif data for the image.
With IrfanView I can optionally save the original Exif data includng the maker note for a processed image using the "Save As..." option. without any problems. And Nikon View NX2 can still process the image.
IrfanView developers chose to save it, at least in CS2 I'm pretty sure Adobe did not. Why NX2 has a problem with the data when the makernote is missing I don't know.
A lot of EXIF viewers found on the web reverse engineer the makernote data for the various camera manufacturers. It's not all that hard to do; back when I was using CS2 I wrote some PHP code to extract the lens information for web galleries but later versions of Adobe software started extracting that information from the makernote. I'm not sure they rewrite it even in CS5, though.
>Hi Freewheeler, > >Is your standard view of an image processed with Photoshop?
No. Closest I can get is Elements on the wife's machine. I just grabbed a nef and sent it to her machine, made a small change in the image on her computer and saved as jpeg, sent it back to my machine. Back in 1990-91, a friend and I managed to scrape together the $1,000 for a copy of Photoshop 1.0; he liked it, I hated it from the get-go. He went on to become very good at it, I never went beyond the first couple versions. I can barely use Elements on my wife's machine. ___Gary
Gary if you see my other post, when I looked at the OP's image, View NX did not respond with the full list when I selected all, but I did not go back and check with one of my own non Adobe processed images which of course shows just what you have in your post. If I opened his file in Capture NX2 then the proper data was shown. I have asked Nikon if the code is different for Capture and View.
When I open the Hugh's (the original poster) image in Nikon View NX2, as shown, there is expected Exif data missing. I have posted images show that the Exif data exits and that the MakerNote data is missing. This not unexpected when using Adobe or other products. When I open the image with Nikon Capture NX2, I see the missing Exif data. So it is very apparent from my experience and that of others that Nikon View NX2 for some reason is not processing the available Exif data when the MakerNote data is missing. Without being able to completely debug Nikon View NX2 at the machine code level, it is not possible to definitively assume this is the cause of the problem.
The above issue could be by Nikon's design or a programming error in this very basic image editor.
But it is very clear that Nikon View NX2 does not show Exif data on images processed by many non-Nikon product.
"Thank you for sharing your findings. Although we do not offer support for photos edited with any other software except for Nikon's just because we do not know what kind of changes softwares like Adobe softwares can make to picture's metadata. However, we appreciate you letting us know about this and will be looking into it to find out why CaptureNX 2 can see these changes while ViewNX 2 can't"
Again, thank you all for your interest in this topic. I have just stumbled on a way to find the time and date shot on a modified image.
When viewing the screen of thumbnails in ViewNX2, go to Select View Mode and choose Image Viewer - which shows an enlarged image with a row of thumbnails across the bottom of the screen. Then click on the i (for information) icon at the top right of the enlarged image. A small square transparent information panel will appear in the top left-hand corner of the image. In part, this panel has the time and date when the image was shot.