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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Mon 04-Oct-10 03:19 AM
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"Full Service Viewer"
Mon 04-Oct-10 12:46 PM by Robp

Gainesville, US
          

Does a full service viewer exist that will display DNG, JPG, NEF, PSD, and TIF image filetypes? In addition to multiple filetypes, I want it to display the full file, not imbedded JPGs. I've tried ViewNX 2, Bridge, CS5, LR3, Apple's iPhoto and Preview, and RawTherapee.

ViewNX 2, my favorite, won't display DNG or PSD files.
Adobe products won't accurately display NEFs with the camera preset values.
None of the ones I've tried seem to accurately recognize other processor's edits.

If I normalize the post processor's edits by converting to TIFs, I still think I see a difference in the TIF presentation between the aforementioned viewers.

EDIT: I don't criticize posters for not googling for answers, but do think they should do that; now I'm guilty of the same thing. Anyway, I just found a nice comparison of image viewers on Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_image_viewers
Haven't yet resolved my issue, so, if you have an opinion, please respond (needs to run on a Mac).

Thanks,

Rob Puller
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mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, sports, commercial, and events coverage, Mick is always ready to help Nikonians by sharing his deep knowledge of photography and printing. Nikonian since 08th Dec 2006Mon 04-Oct-10 01:03 PM
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#1. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Mon 04-Oct-10 01:04 PM by mklass

Tacoma, US
          

Have you tried Photo Mechanic? I find the rendition of the NEF's to be accurate, although they are necessarily based on the embedded jpg.

They do have a 30 day, full featured trial. http://www.camerabits.com/site/

Mick
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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Tue 05-Oct-10 01:42 AM
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#6. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

Thanks, Mick. I've downloaded the trial.

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TiggerGTO Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Feb 2006Mon 04-Oct-10 01:29 PM
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Apex, US
          

As Mick says, Photo Mechanic is great, but it is a bit pricey if all you want is a browser/viewer. PM is an integral part of my workflow, so I highly recommend it too.

A great free viewer is FastStone Image Viewer. As the name implies, it is fast and it handles lots of image formats including the ones you specify.

Another excellent viewer is Fast Picture Viewer. I bought the shareware version because it includes an excellent 64-bit Windows codec for NEFs. One feature I like is that you can set up a hot key that will copy the current image to a specific folder. This feature is very useful for browsing through a set of images and copying your favorites. It probably wouldn't be necessary if I was making use of a cataloging program, but I have used this feature several times to put together a web album from a large collection of images.

Danny
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vchelf Silver Member Nikonian since 14th Sep 2009Mon 04-Oct-10 02:43 PM
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Houston, US
          

I started to post a reply early this morning with my vote for Photo Mechanic, too. I canceled the post because you wanted to see native format images. I am not sure that exists for all the formats you want. I use Photo Mechanic as a key part of my NEF workflow.

Best regards,

Victor Chelf (vchelf)
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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Tue 05-Oct-10 01:44 AM
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#8. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

Thanks, Victor. I'm going to check PM out.

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elmason Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Mar 2004Mon 04-Oct-10 04:25 PM
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#4. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Richmond, US
          

Hi there,
One viewer I use although not perfect is XnView it supports an incredible list of file formats. However, only available for PC.

Everette

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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Tue 05-Oct-10 01:45 AM
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#9. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

Thanks, Everette, but I need it for a Mac (forgot to say that earlier).

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TiggerGTO Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Feb 2006Mon 04-Oct-10 11:32 PM
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Apex, US
          

Rob, I checked out the wikipedia comparison you linked. Surprisingly, it has programs like ACDSee, Bridge, Lightroom and the two I mentioned FastStone Image Viewer and FastPictureViewer, but it does not include Photo Mechanic. I think I might send a note to Kirk Baker at Camera Bits so he can look into getting Photo Mechanic added to this list.

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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Tue 05-Oct-10 01:52 AM
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#10. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

Hi Danny,

I had tried PM a long time ago and passed on it, but I just downloaded it and got an extension on my trial period. I know that you and many others like PM and I'm guessing I did not look at it hard enough the first time through. Just took a quick look tonight and don't remember what my problem was on first viewing; looks pretty good now. Did they spruce up the GUI in the recent update?

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mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, sports, commercial, and events coverage, Mick is always ready to help Nikonians by sharing his deep knowledge of photography and printing. Nikonian since 08th Dec 2006Tue 05-Oct-10 03:30 AM
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#12. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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>Hi Danny,
>
>I had tried PM a long time ago and passed on it, but I just
>downloaded it and got an extension on my trial period. I know
>that you and many others like PM and I'm guessing I did not
>look at it hard enough the first time through. Just took a
>quick look tonight and don't remember what my problem was on
>first viewing; looks pretty good now. Did they spruce up the
>GUI in the recent update?
>
>Thanks,
>

Rob Puller
>my
>Nikonians gallery>



I wouldn't call it spruced-up, but they do tweak it with each update. However, the nice thing is it doesn't get bloated or slower, and they are fast to fix any bugs that creep through.

I've been using it for about 4 years now and it is just a continual evolution of good programming and user friendliness. I think the reason it work so well is they don't try to do everything for everybody. It will never be an image editor, and that is fine with me. As a file manager and browser, it is tops in my book.

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#7. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Christchurch, NZ
          

Rob,

I recommend you check out XnView at: http://www.xnview.com/en/index.html

Originally and mainly written for Windows. I have been using it for years on that platform.

The author is currently developing a multiple-platform version, in beta now. I have it running on my Mac. More info at: http://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewforum.php?f=60

Peter

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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Tue 05-Oct-10 02:14 AM
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Gainesville, US
          

Thanks for the reference Peter.

I'll take a look at XnView when i can. I did grab a quick read about XnView and a competitor, IrfanView. There is apparently a little squabble between the two that might be interesting. I'm not going to take sides, but here's a URL where it's discussed in the third paragraph from the top:
http://www.irfanview.com/main_what_is_engl.htm

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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Mon 11-Oct-10 02:35 AM
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#13. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Mon 11-Oct-10 04:30 AM by Robp

Gainesville, US
          

Everyone, thanks for your input.

Recommendations here and observed commentary in other posts lead me to believe that Photo Mechanic is used by a number of relatively experienced users. I don't think the choice is overwhelming, but it's sufficient to make me want to learn more.

I've been testing a trial version for the past several days and have reached these conclusions. Performance is good, image reproduction is good and the gui is good. I think ViewNX2 compares well up to that point, but it won't display Adobe DNG or PSD formats (not a big deal, but I'd like that feature). PM will set GPS coordinates even better that VNX, so that's nice. Adobe Bridge works, not as well, IMO, but it does have a "Reject" tag that my wife really likes because she shoots most of our shots and does the culling. At this point, I think that the only thing that Photo Mechanic clearly has over the others is better handling of metadata, particularly with respect to the needs of professionals who need to add lots of data to all the images taken at a "shoot". Since I'm not a pro, this feature alone might not prod me loose from my money.

I think that i have not yet found some of the features that have made Photo Mechanic users so pleased with it. Additionally, I think it might be able to add the "Reject" tag like Bridge has. So, would you please:
1. List for me the important features that I have not found.
2. Tell me how to tag images with "Reject" if it's possible.
3. Tell me if ViewNX 2, Bridge CS5, and/or Lightroom 3 will accept and fully utilize keywords and keyword structures added in Photo Mechanic.

I very much appreciate the help that I'm getting here.

Rob Puller
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TiggerGTO Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Feb 2006Mon 11-Oct-10 12:43 PM
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#14. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Mon 11-Oct-10 12:44 PM by TiggerGTO

Apex, US
          

I started using Photo Mechanic when I was doing lots of sports shooting. It is extremely fast for ingesting (downloading), browsing and metadata editing. During ingest, PM can write your images to two locations simultaneously so you automatically have a back up. It has very flexible and powerful features for renaming your pictures during ingest or any time later. The stationery pad is a very powerful concept that allows you to apply metatadata in bulk very easily along with substituting lots of variables from the EXIF data. The colors and stars ratings can be configured to be compatible with NX2 or Adobe. I haven't played much with the structured keywords, but I'd be surprised if they could not be configured to be compatible with the various workflows. Also, you can configure various "Open with" settings so you can easily open NEFs up in NX2, or Photoshop or any other software title you need to use.

I searched the Photo Mechanic Forums about the "reject tag". It appears that Adobe does not write the reject or select flag into the XMP metadata, so Photo Mechanic can not see or modify that flag. You can easily us color ratings for that though which are configured to be keys 1-7 in Photo Mechanic. When I'm reviewing the images for a shoot, I usually flag the ones I want to do more work with with "1" which is green. If I have files I definitely want to trash (out of focus, accidental exposures, another player got in the way, etc.), I tag those with a "7". After I've made my first culling pass, I use the filters to show only the 7's, select them all and delete them. Then I go back and set the filters to show all the 1's and start working through them. I'll use a different color to show HDR brackets, or pano groups.

For sports shooting, one feature that has been indispensable is called code replacements. It is a way of setting up shorthand or abbreviations for metadata. For example, I might set up k19 and c19 to be the keywords and captions for player number 19. Then I just have to type /k19/ in the keywords field and /c19/ in the caption field to get the appropriate metadata entered for player 19. If I combine this with the use of a stationery pad, I can do the substitutions for both fields at the same time based on a value from another metadata field. For example, I can make a quick pass through the selected photos and type the jersey number in say the "Object Name" field. This goes very quickly, and I can usually do a whole game's worth of pictures in a just a few minutes. Then I can apply a stationery pad that has /k{object}/ in the keyword field and /c{object}/ in the caption field to all the pictures. Now I have the appropriate keyword and caption information in all my pictures. If you don't shoot sports or events, this feature might not be nearly as useful, but it is a great feature.

PM might not be for everybody, but it does what it does very well. It is rock solid and fast.

Danny
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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Mon 11-Oct-10 07:27 PM
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#15. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

Thanks, Danny.

I had discovered many of the capabilities you mention and am "loosely" assessing them this way.

NX2 and Bridge will ingest to two locations, but Photo Mechanic does it faster. +1 for PM.

NX2 and Bridge will invoke multiple post-processors but PM associates them with file types and opens the editor with one less step. + 1/2 for PM.

PM has a position in its ranking system that can serve as a "Reject" tag. That should be perfectly good for reasonable people, but I'm afraid neither my wife nor I qualify. -1 for PM. BTW, I like your associations with HDRs, Panos, etc.

I currently do not have much need for the code handling and other advanced metadata editing that you use, but I expect that I'll start to use at least some of the capabilities in the future if I have them available (as in PM). +1/2 for PM.

Beyond these considerations, I like the "Contact Sheet" evaluation display with it's quick zoom feature. The others have a similar feature but the small details of PM's GUI appeal to me. +1 for PM.

Last, I have to spring for money to have Photo Mechanic. -? for PM.

I'm beginning to tilt in favor of Photo Mechanic, but am still debating with myself and hoping to learn some overwhelmingly compelling reason to jump (or not).

Thanks again,

Rob Puller
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#16. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Ridgefield, US
          

PM allows for a default post-processor and (right click and select 'edit', or multiple programs - right click and select 'edit with'. You can set these up in the preferences section.

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Tue 12-Oct-10 01:42 AM by PAStime

Kingston, CA
          

Rob,

In your original post you said "I want it to display the full file, not imbedded JPGs". I believe PM by default only displays and employs the embedded JPG for usual operations. See page 144 of the user manual. If you are using a Mac, you can configure PM to render raw files. That is because a Mac has libraries to do this. On windows PM never renders a raw file.

I would guess that PM can't ever render a raw file (on a Mac) if the raw file has been modfied by Capture NX2. Put another way, if I drop a few control points in NX2 and apply some USM, would PM render the raw data for display or processing? I doubt it.

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#18. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

Peter,

Thanks for pulling me back on track!

I have an iMac and had set the preferences in PM to render RAW images using OS X's capabilities as described in the User Manual. I thought that-was-that, but after seeing your post I did a side by side comparison of ViewNX 2's raw image rendering (click the RAW selection button) versus Photo Mechanic's raw image rendering.

NX2 is remarkably sharper and has better coloring than PM. -2 for PM.
For ranking purposes, I change my previous -? cost-assessment to -˝ for PM.

So now, using my admittedly "loose" ranking system with my biases, I have Photo Mechanic trailing View NX by ˝ point; however, PM still displays more file types than NX2 so I'm still in a bit of a quandary.

I've found several references to OS X's ability to render NEFs correctly, but I'm guessing that it suffers the same problem that all non-Nikon editors suffer, namely, they don't properly account for the in-camera settings. In fact, Peter, your guess that PM does not pick up Capture NX 2 edits is correct.

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#20. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Kingston, CA
          

>NX2 is remarkably sharper and has better coloring than PM. -2
>for PM.

Interesting! Now, my guess is if you configured PM to display the embedded JPG, you may not see that much difference between View NX2 and PM.

>that all non-Nikon editors suffer, namely, they don't properly
>account for the in-camera settings.

Agreed. From my experience and reading, a raw converter that is free, part of the computer's OS, or included in a multi-purpose tool such as Paint Shop Pro needs tweaking to make pictures look satisfactory. I read that Adobe's converter is now satisfactory at default settings. Nikon's converters convert very well all of the time.

Peter

  

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#21. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

>Interesting! Now, my guess is if you configured PM to
>display the embedded JPG, you may not see that much difference
>between View NX2 and PM.

That's correct Peter, because the JPGs are both equally compromised relative to a RAW file. I am interested in the highest quality image, which is only available in formats like NEF, PSD and TIF, which have not suffered lossy compression.

It has been widely stated and accepted that conversion of a NEF image to a TIF format will bake-in all Nikon proprietary characteristics. This appears to be true; the Nikon characteristics are propagated to the TIF file and display correctly in CS5. This includes not only in-camera settings, but subsequent edits as well (I converted both an un-edited and an edited NEF to a TIF). Further, the NEF and TIF files are identical when viewed side-by-side in VNX and CNX; however, if I view either format in a side-by-side comparison of either of Nikon's products versus CS5, the CS5 display does not exhibit the sharpness and color rendition of Nikon's renderings.

All of my observations in the preceding paragraph regarding Nikon products versus CS5 apply to Photo Mechanic as well.

I conclude that the color management engine in Nikon products is different from the engine(s) used in other products.

All of this is somewhat academic since the viewers are primarily used for culling recently ingested images and the remaining ones are processed in the post-processor of choice. Looks like I can't have everything in one package.

Rob Puller
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#25. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Tue 12-Oct-10 10:47 PM by PAStime

Kingston, CA
          

>I am interested in the
>highest quality image, which is only available in formats like
>NEF, PSD and TIF, which have not suffered lossy compression.

Hi. Agreed, raw files retain the highest quality. Just FYI, NEF files can have lossy compression. My D90's NEF files are lossy compressed NEFs. Not sure about your D700; you probably can select lossy or not. Cheers, Peter

  

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#26. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

Did not know that the D90 used compressed NEFs or JPGs only. Uncompressed, lossless compressed, or compressed NEF images can be selected in 12 or 14-bit depth formats on the D700. Lossless is just that; no detail is lost, so I shoot 14-bit lossless RAW all the time.

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#28. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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>Uncompressed, lossless compressed, or compressed NEF images
>can be selected in 12 or 14-bit depth formats on the D700.
>Lossless is just that; no detail is lost, so I shoot 14-bit
>lossless RAW all the time.

Nice! That's what you get when you buy a higher end Nikon body

  

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robsb Platinum Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his expertise in CNX2 and his always amicable and continuous efforts to help members Nikonian since 23rd Aug 2006Tue 12-Oct-10 06:24 AM
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#19. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Rob you can customize the tagging in CNX2and View NX2, in fact you can select a predefined adobe setup so the color codes match photoshop. As for opening different formats in different programs, both Adobe and Windows allow youto select a default program to assign to a file format.

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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Tue 12-Oct-10 03:31 PM
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#22. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Bob, I knew this, but what I see is that ViewNX 2 does not have the Labeling compatibility choices in Preferences (could be set up as custom, I guess) and that Capture NX 2 offers compatibility with Photo Mechanic, CS2 and CS3, but not CS5 (numbers are different, colors are the same). In other words, there is a lack of consistency across platforms; customizing may get them to be similar but not exactly the same.

Regardless, I still don't see a way to get Bridge's "Reject" label in the Nikon products. I know I'm nitpicking, but it's my wish list.

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#23. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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>Bob, I knew this, but what I see is that ViewNX 2 does not
>have the Labeling compatibility choices in Preferences (could
>be set up as custom, I guess) and that Capture NX 2 offers
>compatibility with Photo Mechanic, CS2 and CS3, but not CS5
>(numbers are different, colors are the same). In other words,
>there is a lack of consistency across platforms; customizing
>may get them to be similar but not exactly the same.
>
>Regardless, I still don't see a way to get Bridge's
>"Reject" label in the Nikon products. I know I'm
>nitpicking, but it's my wish list.
>

Rob Puller
>my
>Nikonians gallery>



Rob,

I'm curious. Is there something special about the "Reject" label you are refering to or could you not just add a "Reject" key word.

Alternatively for my rejects, in View NX I just label them "1" (tag) and then later filter the so-tagged images and delete them (or do what ever).

Peter

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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Tue 12-Oct-10 07:10 PM
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#24. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Peter, of course you are right about the "Reject" nonsense; but, as I noted in post #13, my wife has become used to tagging the images with "Reject" during culling. Then, when she views the thumbnails, she can see the ones labeled with the word "Reject" rather than a color-bar or a star-ratiing. She likes this (I do also, but not to the point of caring much) and even though it's a very small thing I had hoped that it was an option for viewers other than Adobe Bridge.

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#27. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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I could not find a definitive answer on the Photo Mechanic forums about the reject flag related to bridge. I did see mention of the reject flag for Lightroom, but they implied that is stored in the database rather than the file. Bridge does not use a database, so the flag has to be written in the file some how. If it is not in the XMP data, then I don't think that the guys at Camera Bits are willing to support it. However, if it is in the XMP data, this is the sort of thing they would typically add if requested. Kirk Baker is very active on their support forums and sometimes posts to Nikonians too. It's too bad that Nik and Nikon don't exhibit even a fraction of the involvement for Capture NX2.

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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Wed 13-Oct-10 01:54 PM
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#29. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Gainesville, US
          

Thanks Danny,

I'v just emailed Camera Bits to ask them about adding this capability. I also referred them to the URL for this thread, thinking that they might like to see the discussion and hoping that they will contribute to the decision making process.

Rob Puller
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mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, sports, commercial, and events coverage, Mick is always ready to help Nikonians by sharing his deep knowledge of photography and printing. Nikonian since 08th Dec 2006Wed 13-Oct-10 02:17 PM
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#30. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Tacoma, US
          

They have their own forum, which they actively monitor, located here: http://forums.camerabits.com/ It is not unusual to get a response in less than an hour during normal business hours (Pacific Time)

That would be the appropriate place to place your information. They do have a specific sub-forum for feature requests.

Mick
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#31. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Mick (and others),

Thank you for continuing to recommend Photo Mechanic. I received a reply from Camera Bits' support within hours of emailing them (really quick) and they supplied the information on how to modify fields in Preferences to get exactly what I wanted, namely, the ability to label an image with a word as well as a color.

To do this, open Preferences>Contact Sheet and enter the variable, {colorclass:}, that is, "colorclass" trailled by a colon and surrounded by braces. Here's a screen grab:



You can change the displayed name by opening Preferences>General and replacing the default color class label associated with any color to whatever you want; in my case, I wanted to be able to assign the word "Reject" along with a color to an image. Works like a charm; just click on 1 to assign the word and color associated with 1 in the Preferences>General panel.

I am so pleased to see that Photo Mechanic is easily modified and that their support is so responsive that I will purchase the software. Nice find for me! As others have said, it may not do everything that I wanted, but it appears to come close.

Thanks again,

Rob Puller
my Nikonians gallery


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#32. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Kingston, CA
          

>I am so pleased to see that Photo Mechanic is easily modified
>and that their support is so responsive that I will purchase
>the software. Nice find for me! As others have said, it may
>not do everything that I wanted, but it appears to come
>close.

I doubt you can go wrong with it. It has a good reputation and is very stable. Have fun exploring its features and putting them to work! Peter

  

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#33. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Thu 14-Oct-10 11:38 PM by robsb

San Jose, US
          

OK let me try one more time as it seems I am not being clear. If you go to Options in View NX2 and select lables, yoy will find a list that has colors and preset lables and a little check box. You uncheck the box and you can assign "any" label you want, so you can take the color/label choices from LR or Photoshop and duplicate them here. So you don't need Photo Mechanic to do this, as it is already built into ViewNX2.

So now the only question you may be asking is does View NX2 read labels from other products, as far as I know it does, but I have not checked it.

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#34. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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I think I understood your description, Bob. I believe that you are suggesting I open VNX2>Preferences>Labels and deselect "Use default values"; then rename the label names as desired (one could match the label names in Adobe Bridge, for example).

As a starting point, I simply want a tag/label which displays the word "Reject. I have tried to follow what I perceived to be your instructions. If I have not done so, please try one more time to instruct me, because I would very much like to have VNX2 do as I wish.

I attempted to get the word "Reject" made available for labeling by modifying Preferences>Labels as shown in this screen grab from VNX2:



Here is a screen grab of the resulting labeled image in VNX2:



The issue, however, is that I want the WORD "Reject" to appear in the image. Here is a screen grab of the labeled image in PM after I modified it as described in post #31:



Now, I freely admit that this should normally be a trivial concern, but I submit to you that it becomes non-trivial when your wife thinks that you, as someone she perceives as a technical Guru, should force any software package to perform as she wishes. It's far easier to waste hours/days on such a pursuit than to disappoint one's spouse!

Rob Puller
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#35. "RE: Full Service Viewer"
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Quite frankly I am puzzled as to why the label does not show. VNX2 helps says the following:

"(Label)
Enter a desired name in the input boxes. To enter, uncheck .
The changed name will be displayed or reflected in the following items:

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"RE: Full Service Viewer"<br /> <span class="dcinfo">In response to <a href="#3894">Reply # 34</a><br /></span> <br /> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" width="100%"><tr><td class="dclite" nowrap><a href="/profile/index.php?u_id=105057"><img src="https://www.nikonians.org/forums/user_updir/105057/images/avatar_105057_2.jpg" height="96" width="96" alt="" /></a><br /> <small>San Jose, US</small> <br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</td> <td class="dclite" width="100%"> <p class="dcmessage">I tried it and what I found out was the label only shows its color in the edit view, but it shows the color and label name in the meta data. 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