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PAStime Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009Thu 09-Sep-10 12:13 PM
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"Too much time spent post processing images..."


Kingston, CA
          

I was driving home from work the other night and admiring the dusk sky when suddenly I had an urge to reach up and place an NX2 Color Control Point on some dark clouds to add some more contrast to the scene. This is a bad sign, I think. Peter

  

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rbaskin Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Feb 2007Thu 09-Sep-10 03:47 PM
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Happens to me all the time - I'm thinking of joining a support group.

  

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At least you're not muttering to yourself, "now if only I could make everything render in Color Mode IIIa..."

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There is a drastic cure to it.
If you cannot make an image look good in x minutes (use your own single digit), trash it.
You may loose images that you can make look better when you know more but ... you can just leave them alone for a while.

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robsb Platinum Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his expertise in CNX2 and his always amicable and continuous efforts to help members Laureate Ribbon awarded for winning in the Best of Nikonians 2013 images Photo Contest Nikonian since 23rd Aug 2006Fri 10-Sep-10 02:54 AM
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San Jose, US
          

On average I spend no more than about 5 minutes on any image. It is why I use NX2 i the first place because I start with what was on the camera monitor. My picture controls and all other settings are read, and that saves a bunch of time.

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sevtcard Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Mar 2009Sat 11-Sep-10 12:36 AM
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Brattleboro, US
          

wow!...i must be doing something very wrong...i can spend hours, occasionally many, many hours spread across days on a single image...(or maybe, in freudian terms, i'm just too anal retentive...)...i'd love to be able to explore an image in 5 minutes and then let it go...i think i need help...does nikonians have a support group???
m
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robsb Platinum Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his expertise in CNX2 and his always amicable and continuous efforts to help members Laureate Ribbon awarded for winning in the Best of Nikonians 2013 images Photo Contest Nikonian since 23rd Aug 2006Sat 11-Sep-10 09:04 PM
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San Jose, US
          

Notice I said "on average". Some images may take a very long time, especially if I am in an artistic mood, but that is usually when I move to Photoshop CS5 because I am doing something unusual. If it is just a photo that needs exposure adjustment or other local corrections, I stay in NX2. In general, I open an image, check WB and Picture Control settings and adjust as needed, Check lens distortion, and apply noise reduction, usually using the proposed setting. I look at Exposure, I adjust highlights and shadows and black and white points. I then usually do an application of capture charpening which I have saved as a setting. I look to see if any local adjustment is needed via control points I then look at using NIK filters, Polarization, Pro Contrast, Tonal Contrast.That usually does it. I have not included the time to do keywording and captions in NX2. In general that is uaually all I need.

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Antero52 Silver Member Awarded for his expertise in post-processing, being  consistently helpful and professional. Nikonian since 07th Jul 2009Tue 14-Sep-10 09:43 AM
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Vantaa, FI
          

Bob

If you use a mixture of image editors, how do you keep track of the editor that each image should be opened with? If you need to print an image or make a jpeg, how do you indicate that “this can be opened in Lightroom” or “this needs to be opened in NX2”?

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My guess is that Bob works only in NEFs while in NX2. If he needs to go to Photoshop, he uses "Open as" which automatically creates a TIF and opens it in Photoshop (when configured that way). So, if he's editing a NEF, he's using NX2. If he's editing a TIF, he is in Photoshop.

I'd be interested in hearing if he keeps the NEFs and TIFs in the same directory or not. I'd also like to know how he saves his edits in Photoshop. Does he save it back in the TIF, or does he go to DNG or one of the Photoshop formats like PSD? In any event, it is NX2 for NEFs and Photoshop for the rest.

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Wed 15-Sep-10 12:09 AM by robsb

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Antero and Danny:

Danny is correct. Before I moved to NX2 for my Post Processing of NEF's I used Photoshop exclusively and I was and still am an advanced user so never saw a need to buy LR,and in fact tried it when it first came out and thought it was very poor compared to the power of Photoshop. When I first started using NX I was only using it to process the NEF and then was moving TIFFs to Photoshop to finish my editing, when NX2 came out I realized I could achieve the same results in NX2 quicker and often better, except when I needed to stitch images do perspective control or more importantly do composites. So here is my current work flow:

Nikon Transfer (the new version in View NX2, I forget its new name) brings my images into my computer where the images are stored in two locations 1) to a Nikon Transfer tree stored in a newly named folder on a separate SATA drive (P) on my computer used soley to store images. 2) A second external drive stores a second copy of these RAW unprocessed images.

View NXS2 is then used to review and rate images. I try to be brutal in this phase, and since I often have duplicates of an image, either taken from various views or other settings, I pick only the best of the lot and do not send the others to NX2 for processing. Yet I keep all the images unless they are totally hopeless, as sometime in the future I may want to use a piece of an image or may be better at processing to overcome its shortcomings.I also use it after review as the general source to load images into Capture NX2.

Capture NX2 is used to do all my RAW processing. When the image opens in NX2, I keyword the image and add descriptions here. I have a preset for my general data which I load into the file and add any additional data. I could do this in View NX2 but I only keyword pictures I plan to post or make. When the image is done to my satisfaction. I save a copy of this image to a Folder on my P drive that I call Processed Images and this folder is broken down by category, like Landscape, wildlife, etc. If I make other versions of the same image, they are stored in the same NEF.

Once that is done my routine goes something like this. I move a 16 bit TIFF to CS5 and if I have nothing else to do I just process that file for the web after adding my copyright signature and post the image to a separate folder for later upload to Nikonians. If that is all I have done, I now do not save the TIFF, although I used to keep the signed TIFF in the same directory as my NEF's with an additional tag on the name to show it was processed in CS5, but now I decided that was unnecessary. But if I need to use CS5 say for a Pano, HDR, Composite, etc., then after I do that processing on the TIFF and before I convert to web, I do save that TIFF in the same folder as my processed NEF with a CS5 extension. I do not use DNG, as for my work it is a useless waste of time. DNG is no more sure to be around in the future than is the NEF and the NEF solution is so much more simple. Once in awhile I might save to PSD if it is a complicated layered file, but lately, I have just decided to save only layered TIFFs in Photoshop as I know that format is universal. If for some reason I need to make another trip back to NX2 with a TIFF I create a flat version and send it over. The key for me is I stay in 16 bit Pro Photo for all my processing unless I move to Photoshop and need a tool that does not support 16 bit. In any case, I only go to 8 bit when I am processing for the web or using an 8 bit tool after all my 16 bit work is done.

On a regular basis the P drive is backed up to a network drive backing up the originals and the final processed images both NEF's and TIFF's as well as backing up the original Nikon Transfer Folder too. So when I am done, I have 3 copies of the original NEFs and 2 copies of processed images. The Network Drive is a RAID 1 configuration so if one drive fails, I do not lose any data.

I hope this answers your questions.

Bob Baldassano
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Antero52 Silver Member Awarded for his expertise in post-processing, being  consistently helpful and professional. Nikonian since 07th Jul 2009Wed 15-Sep-10 05:45 AM
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#13. "RE: Too much time spent post processing images..."
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Vantaa, FI
          

Bob, thank you for your very detailed explanation.

Antero

Best regads, Antero

  

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Baaker Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Aug 2009Fri 10-Sep-10 08:03 AM
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Fri 10-Sep-10 08:05 AM by Baaker

Dumbarton, GB
          

>There is a drastic cure to it.
>If you cannot make an image look good in x minutes (use your
>own single digit), trash it.
>You may loose images that you can make look better when you
>know more but ... you can just leave them alone for a while.

I wouldn't trash it. Leave it for another day. It is sometimes surprising what a "fresh pair of eyes" can do?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/43019448@N04/

  

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Baaker Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Aug 2009Fri 10-Sep-10 08:05 AM
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Dumbarton, GB
          

>I was driving home from work the other night and admiring the
>dusk sky when suddenly I had an urge to reach up and place an
>NX2 Color Control Point on some dark clouds to add some more
>contrast to the scene. This is a bad sign, I think. Peter

A good reason to switch to Camera Raw


http://www.flickr.com/photos/43019448@N04/

  

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Freewheeler10 Registered since 17th Apr 2008Fri 10-Sep-10 01:33 PM
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Englewood, US
          

Yep. I have an iPhone4, and the newest op system for the phone, released
yesterday, adds the capability for HDR on the iPhone camera. I was
having enough trouble with the issue you describe, now, in addition, am
I going to be thinking about HDR pix every time I have my phone in hand?

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jgould2 Gold Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 13th Oct 2007Sat 06-Nov-10 05:17 PM
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Thanks Peter.

Too funny!

JIM

  

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