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"What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"


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I've been reading the posts about the apparent end of support for NX2 and all the confusion that seems to have surfaced. I do not pretend to understand it all (DNG, sidecar files, etc.). Nor do I understand what it may mean for me in the future.

I recently upgraded to NX2 2.4.6 which according to what I've read will be the last upgrade Nikon will make to the software. So I have the most current update.

I have been using NX since 2006 and I've been happy with the results with the NEF files of my old D200, D300, D300s and now with my D800.

What might change if I just continue to use NX2 v2.4.6 with my D800 (which is just under a year old)? It will still produce the same NEF image and NX2 will still be able to meet just about all of my post processing needs. And, as my skill with the amazing D800 increases, I find that I am getting more images correct "in camera" which means less extensive use of NX2. And NX2 allows me to make edits to a preselected region of the image.

So why can't I just keep NX2 and not worry about moving to Lightroom or Photoshop or Capture One? Am I missing something?


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James23p Moderator Awarded for his wide variety of skills, a true generalist both in film and digital photography Nikonian since 25th Apr 2004Tue 11-Mar-14 12:32 AM
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#1. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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My fear is one update to my OS that cripples NX2 then it becomes a real problem.

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robsb Platinum Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his expertise in CNX2 and his always amicable and continuous efforts to help members Laureate Ribbon awarded for winning in the Best of Nikonians 2013 images Photo Contest Nikonian since 23rd Aug 2006Tue 11-Mar-14 01:38 AM
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As stated in another post, people are reacting to unknown unknowns. As far as I am concerned if you just make a final TIFF of your edited NEF you will cut the risk of CNX2 not working for some reason in the future. For the Record I plan to continue to use CNX2 but I have always made a final TIFF to keep as well as the NEF. The way I read the tea leaves, CNX2 will continue to be updated for new cameras until CNX-D is released. At that point you ill not receive any updates to CNX2 either for new cameras or new OS's. Some are concerned that if they buy a new computer or update their OS that the Nikon register servers will not let them reinstall the software. Nikon has been silent on this so this is still speculation. When CNX-D is released. You can use it to do global edits but the edits will b stored in a sidecar. If you do as I said and just make a TIFF, you will bake in all your edits in the TIFF. Let us say that for some reason CNX2 no longer works in the future (we don't now how long in the future that will be). Now you will not be able to revisit your edits stored in the NEF, but if CNX-D will read your edits, something they are considering, you may be able to convert your files to the side car standard. But if that does not happen, you can still open your NEF in any Adobe product. You just will not see the edits you made but you will open the original NEF without any camera settings applied. If you made the TIFF, you could open that in ANY SW program that can read a TIFF and that would become your starting point for future edits. If Nikon keeps the servers active or uses sme other way to keep the old version of CNX2 viable, then you theoretically you could use CNX2 forever as long as you don't move to a new camera not supported in the last version before CNX-D.

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I primarily shoot in jpeg. My concern is from what I gather with NX-D, I won't be able to open jpegs. Which I hope to be incorrect. I too use NX2 and love it better than elements
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You can certainly keep using CNX2 for as long as it will run on your computer.
The risk is, that if anything happens that causes the program to stop working correctly, you may be left with a bunch of edited NEF files without the ability to revisit those edits.

Just a few possible things that could cause CNX2 to stop working...

- compatibility with a new operating system

- compatibility with some future update of Microsoft’s .net framework

- The inability to reinstall on a new computer (or after a crash/virus on current computer) after Nikon shuts down their serial number activation server.

If you continue to use CNX2 you should take some time to plan for the possibility of losing access to the edits you have made. The easiest solution is to export the edited images as TIFF or JEPG.

The good thing here is that no one needs to make a decision right away. CNX2 will continue to work on most computers for quite some time. So, there is plenty of time to look at all of our options and decide what the best solution is for our post processing needs.

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Hi Robert,

As a long-time CNX/CNX2 user, here's my take on the issue, probably worth almost exactly what you paid for it. First, for CNX2 users, we know with a fairly high degree of certainty that post-processing life as we know it is a dead end. It's just a matter of how far down the road we hit the inevitable brick wall. Nobody should be terribly surprised at this, the handwriting has been on the wall for some time. I contemplated moving my workflow to an Adobe-centric process over a year ago, sensing what was in the wind. Instead, pleased with my current results, I took the path of least resistance and let inertia keep me in place with CNX2. Don't misunderstand me, I truly think that the CNX2 model is the better mousetrap in concept. Nothing would make me more happy than if Nikon were to release CNX3 as a statement of commitment to that platform. But, not only did that never happen, we now know it never will.

So, Robert, certainly you can continue to use CNX2 with your D800, just as I have, and your boat will remain unrocked. But the clock is ticking. CNX2 *will* become nonfunctional for you one day, either by the purchase of a new camera or the use of a new and incompatible operating system. So, the question isn't if you should make a change in your conversion and editing software, it's when and to what/where/who/how.

But I will concede that it could be years before you and I would be forced to make that change. In the meantime, the status quo could certainly be maintained. But the status quo is a two-edged sword. One side allows us to stay in our comfort zone, with mostly static results. The other side forces us to venture out, invest in learning new skills with new and sharper tools, hopefully with post processing results taken to a new level. Robert, you mentioned that your skills with your D800 are increasing. As a D800E shooter, I fully understand the demands that camera places on the photographer to fully exploit its capabilities. To me, digital photography has always been a 50/50 proposition between intelligent shooting and masterful processing, and I will forever be striving to attain both. So, I suggest that what lies before all of us CNX2 users is an opportunity to take our post-processing skills to the next level by breaking out of the status quo.

I invite you to look back objectively over the past ten years and compare the investment and innovation that Nikon and Adobe have respectively made in post-processing software. It should be clear that software is not Nikon's primary focus (not even close), and that it is the only point of focus for Adobe. Since CNX was released, there has been exactly one major update. Compare that to the major updates over the same period of time to Photoshop, Elements and Lightroom. Even a young program like Lightroom is now it its fifth version. I don't mean to short all the other developers of software out there, I know they each have their devotees. But I know that if I'm going to upend my process and start anew, it's going to be with the clear leader in the industry. This is where development money is being spent and where the abundant choice of training materials lie.

I've put a lot of thought to this. And a bit more than just thought. I own LR5 and PS CS6. I've bought books and training videos as well. I'm currently in study mode. The way I see it, I have three possible roads to follow. One is to stay with a Nikon-centric workflow and hope that Nikon pulls a rabbit out of its hat with NX-D. But as Rocky says, "That trick never works." To me, the one unique aspect, and the most powerful argument for CNX2, was the ability to store my edits nondestructively in the original nef container. U-point technology and the ability to read camera settings were nice features as well, but I believe those can be at least approximated, if not improved, with other more sophisticated software. Nikon has stated with no ambiguity that they will not be supporting edits saved to the original nef file and in fact will be using a NON-STANDARD sidecar approach. That one issue, combined with Nikon's historically questionable ongoing commitment to developing state of the art editing software makes NX-D a non-starter for me. That leaves me with either a Lightroom-centric or Photoshop-centric solution. And frankly, I have reservations about both of them. My system of storing and maintaining my images is very much a folder-based system. It's probably archaic, and not scalable to tens of thousands of images, but I've always been comfortable dealing with files at the operating system level and I like the fact that I can easily use those files with any number of programs and that they are easily copied and moved between different drives and computers in my home network. To this end, I am not entirely comfortable with Lightroom's database approach to storing edits and XMP data. I will surely miss my nice and tidy nef files that stand alone without the need of a database or sidecars. The other alternative for me is to skip Lightroom altogether and use Photoshop CS6 as my be-all and end-all solution. Currently I now use Photoshop for special situations, and I have a firm grasp on perhaps 2% of the program's features and capabilities. I find the thought of taming the Photoshop beast more than a bit intimidating, and besides, it still won't save my edits in the nef file. Lightroom seems to have a much shorter learning curve, so I'm leaning in that direction. I will say that I think Elements would be a more than satisfactory solution for many photographers, but probably not for me.

Another alternative is what Bob suggested, which is to use either CNX2 or NX-D as the front end to your workflow, make your global edits and bake them in a tiff file. I see two problems with this solution, at least from my perspective. First, I'd like to think that my post processing skills continue to improve along with my shooting skills. I'm convinced that as a photographer, I am and always will be a student. There have been many times I've revisited an image edited earlier, whether it be days or years earlier, and wanted to try something a little different. The beauty of CNX2 was that I could do that without having to start from scratch. I could insert myself anywhere into the pre-existing editing process and change what I want and leave alone what I thought was just fine. Baking edits into a tiff file removes that possibility, at least up to the point in the editing process where the tiff file was created. The other problem is with storing and maintaining the extra file. Yes hard drive storage is cheap, but time isn't and when you're dealing with files the size of D800 files, you have to figure in the time it takes to back up those files and the general hassle of having to manage another file alongside the original nef. I'm certainly not going to delete the original nef file. This is the same thing that concerns me about the DNG conversion alternative. Although with DNG, at least I've recovered the ability to store non-destructive edits in the DNG file, so I haven't ruled out that approach. It may be where I end up. But it seems likely that I'll have to eventually convert all of my CNX2-edited nefs to tiffs for archiving purposes. Better to bake in the edits for posterity than lose them altogether.

So, it is with mixed emotions and without a clear winning strategy that I find myself perched on the horns of a dilemma. My only real regret at this point is that I didn't undertake the change in process a year and a half ago when I first felt it was likely going to have to happen anyway, and when Nikonians on this very forum told me that they had already made the jump and thought it would be in my best interest to do to the same. If I had, there'd be a year and a half of images that were processed in a system with a future instead of with my existing system. That's a year and a half of images that I wouldn't have to convert to tiffs for archiving purposes. Newton's first law of motion states that a body at rest tends to stay at rest, unless acted upon by an external force. I believe that for me, Nikon's recent announcement has amounted to an external force with enough gravitas to move me off my keester and set me in motion. In precisely what direction, well, I'm still working on that.

Russ

  

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Very well thought out post Russ thank you.

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#8. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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San Jose, US
          

Russ if you already own PS CS6, I urge you to make that your choice rather than LR. Essentially ACR in PS CS6 is the LR engine. PS is so much more powerful and if you take the time to tweak camera profiles a bit you can get very close to the Nikon Picture Controls. The only thing you would really lose then is ADL. The season I suggested using either CNX2 or CX-D is that you can still get all your setting copied into the TIFF. This is really where you wind up in both LR and PS after you use ACR for it is only their RAW converter vs. using Nikons. If you stick with the photo centric tools in Photoshop, there is really not much to learn. Obviously if you have used it already you already know about layers, masks and sharpening. It is easy to think of layers like CNX2 edit steps, just not as convenient. CNX2 was creating layer masks for you when ever you used a control point. The 4 biggest things we lose in the loss of CNX2 is use of Picture control settings being applied to the NEF, storing edits within the NEF, auto lens correction and U Points. If you use the NIK (Google) suite you can get back control points in PS, though not as well integrated. ACR will do a good job of lens correction, tweaking camera profiles will closely match Picture Control settings, So you really only lose storage in the NEF and ADL. As a long term user of PS since CS days I have no problem switching back and forth, I just like the ease of CNX2 and only moved work to PS when I needed to blend images, make composites or do pano's. So I am not in the same boat as many CNX2 users as I don't have to learn anything new as I can use either CNX2 or PS with ease and have always saved a TIFF of my work anyway besides the NEF. So for me I can continue to follow my current methods until they no longer are viable. It is not the end of the world as you can always use CNX-D as a front end RAW converter if you desire and then finish all of your edit work in Photoshop. This also means that your CS6 will last a long time as you don't have to be concerned that Adobe might not update the ACR portion in the future as you won't use it.

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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Tue 11-Mar-14 09:37 PM
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#9. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Thanks for the response, Bob. I've owned the CS6 Creative Suite since it first came out. I used it to upgrade from the CS3 Creative Suite. It's safe to say that I never even came close to the degree of mastering Photoshop as I did CNX/2. I always found it odd when people reported that they found the UI in CNX/2 to be bewildering. I would lay that attribute to the PS UI, and took an immediate liking to the CNX/2 UI. I've never been comfortable with the concept and usage of Photoshop's layers and masks, and if you don't have a solid handle on layers and masks, you don't have a solid handle on Photoshop.

You're not the first photographer to suggest a Photoshop-centric workflow to me, Bob. The other photographer, like you, had grown from the early days of Photoshop, and all the sequential updates were taken in fairly easy stride. And it makes sense that those who have been successful at mastering Photoshop would recommend that over Lightroom. And the recommendation certainly has merit. It does away with my discomfort of Lightroom's database approach to file management. If I convert to DNG, my edits will remain in the DNG file, at least as I understand it. The use of Nik's suite, which I also own but haven't even installed, brings some familiar tools back in play. But it seems like such a heavy-handed piece of software. I'm just a photographer, not a graphic designer of any sort, so much of Photoshop's capabilities are well beyond my needs. Sort of like bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.

I have a real good handle on what PS and Bridge bring to the table, even though I have no discernible skills in actually bringing those capabilities to bear. But my studies so far have been spent on Lightroom 5. I'm fairly early in the process, but I find the UI to be very intuitive, and I like certain things like being able to easily construct a book to send to Blurb or to publish as a pdf ebook. The database concept is a major concern for me, but in truth, I haven't really gotten around to importing all my photos and actually living with the database concept. But jeez, a piece of software that doesn't even have a Save command is just weird.

At this point, I think I see a place for both PS and LR in my workflow, but we'll see which one will actually dominate. One thing certain is that I'll always have a version of Photoshop on my hard drive, simply for the things I now use it for, as well as for all the things I have yet to learn.

My current plan is to give LR a fair shot, and see if I can live with the database issue. After I feel I've gotten a good handle on LR, it would be in my best interest to become much more familiar and comfortable with Photoshop's tools. It may very well be the better overall choice. But most of what I learn in LR will directly apply to PS because as you say, they both are running the same ACR engine under the hood. And I can always export my work in LR over to Bridge and move to PS as my primary if and when the time comes for that.

Both LR and PS each have their strengths and weaknesses as I see it, so it really comes down to which works best for me net on the bottom line. I have the same decision to make as to whether or not to use DNG as my new raw file holding edits inside or using LR or PS to store the edits in the database or sidecars, respectively. It will take some time to study and use both to see which will rise to the top.

Thanks again for the comments, I really appreciate it.

As a point of interest, I think it would be a great idea for the moderator to post a poll either here or more likely in the Adobe forum, polling Nikonians as to whether they primarily use Lightroom or Photoshop as their raw converter and editor.

Russ

  

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#12. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Russ I agree that knowledge of layers and masks is essential to Photoshop. I also agree that it can be overkill as you have many ways of doing the same thing. I like you never understood why people were so against the CNX2 interface. I always saw it as intuitive and in reality I think for most people it was just different and they did not really understand how to wring the most out of CNX2. Many times I have been on this forum and had people tell me they had to use PS or LR to do something because they did not realize it could easily be done in CNX2. I have never liked LR, so I am biased to an extent. My problem was I tried the earlier versions which were not very good and I never saw the advantage of buying a piece of SW that could not do layers and needed you to export files to more powerful programs to complete many functions. For me the catalogue function is of no interest and therefore is not a selling point to me, it is more of a hindrance. I am not the only person who feels this way. There are a number of writers for photo magazines who think using Nikon SW as your RAW processor gives you better overall results. I do agree that really learning Photoshop at a deep level is a real time commitment. I made that commitment over a number of years CS-CS6 and in fact was bummed out by the interface change because I was so used to the old one. I had joined NAPP, but never attended any PS courses but rather studied on line tutorials and read a number of very good books that were not the Kelby style cook books but ones that really took you under the hood and explained what was going on. From those books, especially Dan Margolis's books I learned how to use the tools under the surface and was very happy with my results until I got CNX2 and realized that I could get the same or better results more quickly with less effort and the fact that I had all my camera setting in the NEF and could save edits in the NEF is what made me use CNX2 as my primary editor with PS as backup for harder stuff. LR was designed from the ground up for photographers unlike PS which was made for Designers. So from that standpoint many people find it easier to use. Like all Adobe products it has a very large following with lots of tutorials and thus people migrate to it. There is a lot of very good pieces of SW out there that are as good if not better than LR. But each person has to do what they feel the most comfortable with. Some have migrated to Aperture, some to On One, etc. If you did a poll here I think you would find a large number of people using Elements, another large group using LR, many CNX2 or VNX2 users and then all the rest.

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#16. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

I don't entirely agree that layers and masks are critical to using PS for photographic purposes. Helpful, yes. But the vast majority of adjustments can be made:

1) In Adobe Camera RAW

2) With smart filters, including Viveza 2 if you love you some control points

3) With adjustment layers (OK, they are layers, but if you don't mess with masking they are just nondestructive adjustments)

Philosophically, the results are similar to CNX2's edit steps in that none of those adjustments is destructive and the effects are cumulative.

Honestly, I hardly ever use a layer mask. Some of that may be because of the kind of photography I'm doing; others may have different needs. But most of what I need to do I can do (nondestructively) in LR/ACR, with the adjustments saved in the XMP sidecar file. Occasionally I'll drop into PS and use a Nik filter or other smart filter. Very rarely do I need to do complex PS manipulations.

Regarding LR's database approach, if you elect to save the LR adjustments in a sidecar file (or in the native files for non-RAW formats), you can open those files in Photoshop independently of LR. So if you lost the LR catalog, you would still have all of your adjustments intact.

The one concern I have about using LR as a front end and CS6 as a back end is that at some point, LR's handling of ACR adjustments may advance past that of CS6. That's not the end of the world since you can elect in LR to use an older process model and thus maintain compatibility. It's just something to be aware of in the future.

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#19. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Fort Davis, US
          

Jon,

One thing I liked about CNX2 was the ability to save different versions of the same image. These versions, and their respective settings, were stored within the NEF and could be recalled at any time.

Does LR or Photoshop have a similar functionality without having to save to different files?

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#21. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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LR does. It has a concept called a "virtual copy" that is basically a different set of settings for the same master file. Photoshop doesn't really have anything that's directly analogous. However, if you are managing your images through LR's catalog, it will keep multiple files of an image in a "stack," so if you make multiple PS versions, each in their own file, they'll stay together in LR. (You have complete control over the stacking.) The virtual copies are stacked, too.

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#23. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Jon,

Thanks.

Back to studying.

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#31. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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San Jose, US
          

Photoshop has Layer Comps.

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#65. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Yes, but that's not quite the same thing because you can't have different Smart Filter settings in different layer comps. (Unless things have changed recently and I missed it.) LR virtual copies are independent of one another except for the underlying master file.

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#33. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Clearly Adjustment Layers are Layers and Smart Layers and Smart Objects are Layers required to do non destructive edits. Masks help you do local edits. Viveza is just a less integrated version of U Points and just isolates you from the masking that is going on. But even in CNX2 looking at those masks that were being created allowed you to take the process further than just blindly moving sliders. Yes one can get by in PS without knowing all the ins and outs but you will never maximize it's capabilities if you do.

In the discussion above we were not talking about the RAW editor. If you do any compositing, blending of Images, Pano's etc., layers and masks are necessary. Yes layers are just like edit steps in CNX2, just not as non-destructive and once you leave ACR in LR or PS you are working on TIFFs, as in CNX2 you are not. At some point owners of CS6 will be at a point where Adobe will not support upgrades and then you will either have to go to CC or use another RAW processor front end. Everything else will remain useful. So it is the same problem as CNX2 users have only the problem is in the future.

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#46. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Russ, I read through your post and without going into specific detail you can replicate a huge percentage of what you are doing now, in LR, in my opinion. May I suggest the below link about Collections. Several steps of your workflow sound like a perfect fit for Collections and Smart Collections. Let me go as far as saying that I think you could actually streamline your workflow and let LR do more of the heavy lifting. It is very complex to write in a post how to exactly do that but once one starts peeling back the layers of LR, the light bulbs will start to go off and you start to see how truly awesome it is for cataloging. At times I am more impressed by that than its editing features. Want to edit all your images in Photoshop? No problem, LR doesn't care as long as you launch from LR to PS.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/lightroom/using/WSC9EBC412-9DBB-4a3e-9ABD-4BF0C12CFF0F.html

For example, I have a Smart Collection where I have my favorite b&w images. I have one for the keepers from each vacation. How do I define keepers in my LR world? Any image that has a star rating of 4 or higher. You set the rules. You could create one for images that haven't been edited yet and or where no keywords where added and/or are from within a date range from x to y. If you have done querying in Access it is sort of like that. Then again, LR is a database.

Lastly, how you store a .jpg now with your .nef is doable in LR. You can 'export' it back into the catalog. You could do 1 or select hundreds to do in batch.

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#50. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Phoenix, US
          

Thanks, Tammy. I understand what you're saying. I think at this time I have a fairly proficient understanding the mechanics of LR. Collections and smart collections are a great example, and I have a pretty firm grasp as to how they work and what they offer. And your suggestion to make LR do more of the heavy lifting is well put. I think where I'm at right now, is to start putting my recently acquired knowledge of the nuts and bolts of LR into some cohesive workflow and file management strategy, that conforms to LR's methodology. As you also mentioned, the more I actually to use LR in an actual workflow setting, more the path forward will become illuminated. Should be interesting.

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#27. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Russ
Your quote "perched on the horns of a dilemma" and explanation fits many of us today as we think through what to do. Just want to say thanks for participating and sharing. This forum and it's members contributions are worth it's weight in gold. I still am exploring and trying to understand the issues of not having NX2 in the future.


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#84. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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>Just a few possible things that could cause CNX2 to stop working...
>
>... The inability to reinstall after a crash/virus on current computer after Nikon shuts down their serial number activation server.


Is it legal for Nikon to shut down the activation server, thereby rendering it impossible for us to re-install CNX2?

We have all purchased CNX2 - therefore we should have the right to re-activate it in the event of a crash/virus.

  

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#85. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

Skipping the legal issues, you can still download a copy of Nikon Capture 4 from Nikon's websites. This is the software package that preceded NX. I don't think Nikon would make that available if it couldn't be activated, but I don't have a computer system old enough to run it. My hunch is that activation won't be your problem.

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#7. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Lacey, US
          

I think the main difference between those who have already or will soon jump to LR or another application and those whose wish to either retain CNX2 or use CNX-D as the first step in their workflow is the issue of retaining the in-camera settings.

I like to do as much in the camera at the time of the shot as possible and minimize post processing. Others don't seem to care about this at all.

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#10. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Tacoma, US
          

The demise of CNX2 and CNX-D's lack of suitability for advanced photographers gives Nikon a great opportunity to simplify the advanced cameras where the users are unlikely to be shooting JPGs.

All of these can be eliminated as 3rd Party, advanced level raw converters will not read them:

  • ADL
  • Picture Controls
  • Color space selection
  • Vignette Control
  • Auto Distortion Control
  • High ISO NR
  • Focus Point Location

plus, I'm sure there are others.

With all of these eliminated, they can devote the camera's processing power to speed, which seems to be something many people would like. Of course it does remove some of the essence of what makes a Nikon a Nikon. Maybe they should just concentrate on lenses, which they do really well. (The 14-24 would sell like hotcakes in Canon mount!)

As for me, this is not an "opportunity" to learn something new and get away from "stale" processes. I have spent years becoming very proficient in using CNX, CEP3 and occasionally some other post processing tools to create some very satisfying images. I still learn new tricks and techniques every day.

Starting over with some other software that can come "close" to "approximating" what I could do in CNX is not good enough. For me, photo editing is an iterative process. Baking in edits to take into another program to edit some more is not a good alternative, especially when it must be done early in the workflow.

As has been pointed out in another thread, CNX gives results that cannot be duplicated in other software. As others have also pointed out, CNX's non-destructive, single file solution was an elegant solution.

While I continue to explore other software options, I may just conclude that using CNX till the day it dies, then quitting photography is the best option. There's other things to do in life than wrestle with software.

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#14. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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San Jose, US
          

Mick quitting photography seems a bit extreme, but I see no reason that you should not use CNX2 as long as you are able.

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#15. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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>Mick quitting photography seems a bit extreme, but I see no
>reason that you should not use CNX2 as long as you are able.

Not necessarily. If something you enjoy is no longer enjoyable, but a chore, and it isn't how you make your living, why keep doing it?

I am a semi-pro, so I need to balance my photography with the rest of my life. Relearning processing skills might not be the best use of my available time.

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#47. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Tacoma, US
          

I'm with you, Alan. I'd rather be a camera jockey than a computer jockey.

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#11. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Jeffersonville, US
          

Nothing says you need to upgrade anything, including your current operating system. There are still millions of people running Microsoft XP out there. Their software will continue to work for as long as they can keep their machines running.

A computer is a machine and at some point it will fail. If you are handy with replacing hard drives and mother boards and processors and power supplies, and you keep current recovery drives and system images you could keep that NX2 software running for a really long time (Nikon server issue TBD).

Upgrade your camera? The new RAW format stuff won't work on the old computer, but the old stuff still will.

Practical? That's up to you. A lot depends on how comfortable you are working inside the case of your computer and how diligent you are with keeping backups. Eventually some critical part will fail that you can't replace and then you may have little or no options.

I think there is some darned good advice in this thread about doing a workflow to future proof your photos as much as possible. I have a few thousand .mrw RAW files taken with my Minolta Digital Camera that I've been concerned about finding a way to keep ever since Minolta sold their camera division to Sony. I have been slowly converting those files over to a TIFF format.

  

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#13. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Carman I don't know how many people in Nikonians build their own machines. I do and I know that building a computer today is actually very simple. Getting the SW to run properly maybe not so much. Because I build my own I have always had SW of different ages and abilities running on my machines and I have never had any problem opening saved photo files from many different cameras. Long before I went digital I had Nikon film cameras and mostly slides to show for it, with some B&W negatives. Si I eventually scanned the best and used SilverFast SW to process them. My first digital camera was a 2 MP Nikon E950 which only shot JPEGS. I then had on Olympus (still have it) that was 6 MP but also a P&S. My first digital DSLR was the D200, which I still have but rarely use, and now I have had a D700 going on 5 years. Over the life of these cameras I have had XP machines, Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8- some 32 bit and now 64 bit. All the SW I had ran on the newer machines without any problem. Since the D200 I have only shot RAW NEFs but have used both Photoshop and CNX2 as processing tools. I am not worried about continuing to use CNX2 and occasionally to use PS.

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#17. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>Nothing says you need to upgrade anything, including your
>current operating system. There are still millions of people
>running Microsoft XP out there. Their software will continue
>to work for as long as they can keep their machines running.

The simple solution to that is to use a virtual machine. I think I mentioned in another thread that until recently I was running a copy of Windows 95 in a virtual machine on my Mac. It would be difficult to build a hardware machine to run Windows 95 today, but with a VM it's easy. A Windows XP VM is also easy, as is a Mac OS X VM. Now, you'll need to be able to run the virtualization software, but that hasn't been much of an issue; the Win95 VM I was running was one I built over 10 years ago.

>(Nikon server issue TBD).

That may be the rub.

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#36. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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A better choice would be to run Win 7 virtually so you could take advantage of 64 bit operation. Also XP will be unsupported and subject to viruses. Of course your main computer must have a chip that supports virtualization, but I agree that is a good choice if people have concern about an OS update making CNX2 obsolete.

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#18. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I'm still not ready to make the jump, but I'm going to use LR as my primary editor and CS6 for specific needs.

I've had a quick lesson in LR from another Nikonian and it's quite powerful. As suggested above, Adobe has continued to move forward and develop enhancements while Nikon has remained stagnant. Sharpening, highlight recovery, and shadow recovery are all significantly better in LR. Selective editing is very good. I see few if any significant disadvantages as an editor. My take is LR is a better editor than Capture or CS6 - and editing is very fast.

Workflow is a bit more of a challenge. I think I will be rating and keywording in Photo Mechanic, then only importing selected images into LR - but I might revisit that idea. My understanding is that should happen in LR to maintain the database.

One thing to keep in mind is the use of virtual copies. LR will let me move images to a backup drive and then maintain a virtual copy that is synched when the drive is connected. This is a big plus and will help with file management.


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#20. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Eric,

Don't confuse the term virtual copy with smart previews. Smart Previews are handy dandy files that are smaller than the original file size and it gives LR enough info to allow you to use all the feature of LR to edit your image whether or not your catalog is connected to your computer. Great for those keeping their original files on an external drive.

Virtual Copies are different. When you create a VC of an image within Lightroom it is basically letting you experiment with multiple editing options by letting you have the option of creating several versions of a single phtoograph.

Let's say I have a NEF file and I do some cropping, clean up some dust spots and make some major corrections with the highlights and shadows and I add a vignette. At that point, I create a virtual copy (which has all the edits I just made) but now I want to take that VC in a different direction and create a black & white out of it. The VC concept saves me from having to go back to the NEF, do all my edits again and then change it to black & white.

I sometimes have 10 VC's of one image. Maybe I created one as a FB banner and need a different crop. VC's are lovely things.

Hope this helps!
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#22. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Tammy - thanks for the clear explanation. It sounds like both features are very useful.

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#24. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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You are very welcome! I don't have any experience with any of the Nikon software offerings (present or past) however I can certainly sympathize with the posts I have read. I gave myself about a year to experiment with LR and Aperture before picking one. I would suggest to continue with the workflow that works for you and stick a toe into the LR pool now and again to test the waters. No need to get all fancy and import your whole library into a new catalog. Create an experimental catalog and bring in a few images and dabble a bit. It is a much easier to start off and play with a dozen images or so versus thousands.

When I first opened the program I was overwhelmed and it has taken me a good 2 years now of constant reading and self teaching to really grasp what the program has to offer.

Cheers!

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#45. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Thanks Tammy I too am starting my migration from CNX2 to LR.

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#37. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Just one nuance: you can have files on external drives and both see them and work with a lot of functions (keywording, ratings, labels), whether or not you use smart previews. Regular previews, which are automatically created when you import, accomplish that. Smart previews let you go even further and actually edit the raw parameters without connecting a drive that the image file is located on.

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#38. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I cannot see how LR can be a better editor than CS6 when it needs CS6 or some other piece of SW to do things it cannot do. This is why On One is becoming a choice to pair with LR. I will take CS6 extended any day over LR.

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#25. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Owings Mills, US
          

It seems as though my question about doing nothing has stirred up quite some response. I certainly thank you all for your very thoughtful posts. Actually, I think, much of the information is still way beyond my level.

My workflow is based on the understanding that the original NEF is like a film negative and should not be altered. In fact for special collections (vacations, special events, etc.) I first save the NEF files to a DVD so I have a permanent "negative" file. Next I transfer the images from the CF card to an external hard drive. Then, I display the images from the hard drive using ViewNX so I can view each image and assign labels. I could do this in NX2, but the ViewNX route seems faster. Then I open NX2 and filter for a particular label (usually "1"). For each image I apply the various edits I wish to make and when done, I "Save As" a JPEG onto a different external hard drive. My JPEG file naming, incidentally, retains the number generated by the camera so I can always match up the JPEG with the original NEF file from which it was made.

I don't quite understand the need to "bake-in" the edits although I admit I have no way to duplicate the edits I made in 2009 to a particular NEF file. If I had to make another JPEG from an old NEF, it would be like starting from scratch.

If I made the move to LR5 how much of my workflow would have to change? Will LR5 "read" the labels I assign in ViewNX, or is there some other way to triage my images? I understand that LR5 will open my older NEFs so I could, if I had to, produce new JPEGS using LR5 editing and then saving as a JPEG, right?

After being actively involved in photography since high school, I don't think I'm at the point where I'd want to give it up. And learning something new and challenging myself, while a bit daunting, is always worth the effort.

So it looks as though the "clock is ticking" as Russ points out and maybe I should invest in LR5 even if, for the present, I prefer working in CNX2 because I am reasonably proficient with it and happy with the results I get.

Again, thank you all for your comments and suggestions.

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#26. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Well, Robert, if I understand your explanation of your workflow, you've managed to do an end run past the most profound advantage of CNX2, which is the ability to save your edits in the original nef file. The bad news is that your workflow has eliminated the ability to revisit those edits at a later date. As you stated, any additional edits you might wish to make to an image would require you to start from scratch. Should you decide to continue to use CNX2, I would highly recommend saving the nef file after you are done editing, and then resaving the file as a jpeg. This is what I do. This nondestructively preserves the edits in the nef file for future access, and saves a jpeg from the nef file, assuring the highest quality without any generational loss. The good news is that since none of your nef files have edits stored in them, you don't have 15,000 of them to convert to tiff files like I do.

By the way, I also include the original camera-generated four-digit file number in my jpeg file names. Like you said, it makes it easy to match the jpeg to the original file. Good move.

I don't know how to answer your question as to how much your workflow would have to change if using Lightroom. All I can say is that Lightroom's system of file management and the saving of edits is substantially different. For instance, Lightroom would have made it impossible for you to make the mistake of not saving your edits in the nef files. Lightroom saves all edits real-time in its database, and preserves them for future reference. I also can't answer the question if LR will read your ratings from VNX2. I don't rate my photos with star ratings. I have two ratings: they're either keepers or they're gone. I suspect that the Nikon-generated star ratings in your jpegs will likely not be readable by LR, but I'm sure someone will pipe in with an authoritative answer, as well as a better answer to your workflow question.

What I can tell you from my early evaluation of LR is this: LR is a very interesting program with a very powerful raw converter and reasonably strong editing tools. In addition, it offers very interesting features for geocoding your photos and ultimately delivering them in the form of books, ebooks, slideshows, and the web. If I can just get comfortable with its database approach to file management, I will be very optimistic about my changeover.

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#28. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Wed 12-Mar-14 05:55 PM by Luke_Miller

Rural Virginia, US
          

>If I can just get comfortable with
>its database approach to file management, I will be very
>optimistic about my changeover.

I stated processing the images from my first Nikon DSLR (a D1) using Nikon Capture, which at the time was virtually the only game in town for NEFs. Eventually I moved to Capture NX when it replaced Capture. When the Lightroom 1 Beta was released I gave it a try and have been a Lightroom user ever since. I have always used the same file structure starting with the original Nikon Capture program. Top level folder "Images", second level calendar year, and third level the name of the shoot.

While there are several options for getting my images into Lightroom the one I use preserves the file structure I have always used. The only thing that changed was that I created the calendar year and name of shoot folder using the Lightroom import tool rather than that of the operating system. Those new Lightroom-created folders are in fact system folders and can be seen by Windows Explorer and all other applications. If I choose I can still use the operating system to create the folders, drag and drop the images from the CF or SD card into the folder and then import the folder into Lightroom.

So I think those who want to continue to use their existing file structure protocol with Lightroom can do so without worry.

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#29. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Wed 12-Mar-14 09:16 PM by russg

Phoenix, US
          

Thanks for the response, Luke. As a well-seasoned LR user, I'm hoping that if I share with you my workflow and folder/file structure, maybe you can help me understand how to make LR compatible with it.

First, let me state that I am fully aware that any folder creation/deletion or the moving of files or folders within LR is actually done at the OS level, and is really no different than if I had done the same thing with Windows Explorer, except that doing it from within LR makes LR aware of the changes, which is a good thing. So, I'm just fine with that. I'm also comfortable with the idea that instead of saving a jpeg from a nef file, in LR you would do that as an export. A little weird, but I get it and can live with it.

As I am primarily a landscape shooter, my folder structure is primarily based on location, rather than date. It might look something like Photos>Travel>Arizona>Grand Canyon. Let's call this the General structure or tree. Into this structure I would put edited, full sized jpegs saved from the edited nef files. These would be available for any likely purpose down the road. I do all my editing on a desktop computer. I also maintain an identical folder structure including the same jpegs on my laptop, just so I can have available any of those images while away from home. In addition to the General structure I also keep a separate folder structure of the current year's photos. This structure includes not only the jpegs, but the nef files as well. So, it's structure might look like Photos>2014>Travel>Arizona>Grand Canyon. Let's call this the Current Year's structure or tree. While this may seem odd, I do this because I find that most of the time I am working with photos shot fairly recently. These are the photos I am most likely to share with others, and the ones most likely to have the nef file revisited for additional tweeking. I keep the same current year's folder structure on the laptop as well, but without the nef files. I see no reason to store the original nef files on the laptop since I don't do any editing on the laptop. The current year's structure also allows me to view my Grand Canyon photos taken in the current year alone, instead of having to filter or sort through all my Grand Canyon photos taken over many years that are in the all-encompassing General structure. In January of each year, I archive the previous year's structure to DVD and an external hard drive and start over with a new current year structure. As an example, in January 2014, I copied the entire 2013 tree to both DVD and external hard drive, then delete the files from inside the 2013 tree and rename the top folder of that tree to 2014. This now leaves me with all my 2013 jpegs placed in their appropriate location or subject folders in the General structure combined with all the preceding year's photos on both computers, and all my 2013 nefs and jpegs archived to external hard disk and DVD. This is in addition to the full hard drive backups I perform as regular maintenance. I do this because I don't revisit the older nef files often enough to justify storing them on my computer's hard drive. It's easy enough to retrieve old nef files from the external drive if I need them.

My import and editing strategy is to import the files from the card directly to a temporary directory (Photos>Temp). I do this from Explorer without any alterations to the nef files. From there, I cull the losers, edit the winners, and then place the nefs and jpegs into the current year's folder structure and also copy the jpegs alone into the General structure on both computers. I then delete the files in the Temp folder so it is ready to receive the files from another card dump from the next shoot.

I hope all that made sense. I realize it is likely not to be a good system for anyone else, but it works for me. It's also highly dependent upon the ability to freely copy and move files not only among the desktop's hard drive, but over to the laptop's hard drive and ultimately to an external drive. The two computers are networked, so copying files from one to the other is easy. I currently do all of this in Explorer. Much of this is entirely doable in LR, but there's a couple of hiccups that I haven't exactly figured out how I might work around. First, as you know, LR doesn't allow a user copy files to the same drive, as incredible as that may seem. So, when it comes time for me to move the edited nefs and jpegs from the Temp folder to the appropriate folders in the Current Year's structure, I can move the files to that location easily enough from within LR, but when I want to additionally copy the jpegs to the General structure, it can't be done within LR. Hmmm. I might be able to copy the files to the general structure in Explorer and then import them into LR, but I haven't gotten around to trying it. That's hiccup #1. Additionally, I haven't figured out how to maintain an identical structure in LR on the laptop. It looks like exporting a catalog from the desktop and importing into the laptop is the solution, but again I haven't yet tried it. I'm still studying the program before importing all my images into LR. That's hiccup #2.

So now that you know my entire wacky workflow, maybe you can understand my trepidations over LR's database system of file management. I would invite any suggestions from anyone experienced with LR to offer suggestions as to how LR could accommodate this workflow, or what may need to be changed to the workflow to make it work with LR.

Russ

  

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#30. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Russ

Let me think on this a bit and get back with a more thought out answer. But my first thought is that duplicating your current approach is doable using Windows Explorer and Lightroom. But here is another thought.

When I import my images into Lightroom I apply keywords at the same time. So if I regularly photographed the Grand Canyon I would have a lot of images that had "Grand Canyon" as a keyword. If I wanted to see all of them I would instruct Lightroom to display all of the images that had "Grand Canyon" as a keyword. If I only wanted to see last year's shots I would tell Lightroom to show only the 2013 "Grand Canyon" shots. If I was there in both April and October and wanted to see only the October shots I would have Lightroom display those only. What I just described requires three or four mouse clicks. With another click I could see only the D800 shots or the ones using my 14-24.

So while I will see if I can duplicate what you currently do - my impression is that what you are trying to do with your file/folder structure is what Lightroom is designed to do automatically. This assumes of course that some basic keywords are added on initial image import. Currently I have about 75,000 images taken since 2003 in my Lightroom catalog. The folder structure is Images - Year - Name of Shoot. I can find almost any image with three or four clicks. My folder structure allows me to still find shots if something catastrophic happened to Lightroom. Just a thought.

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#32. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I agree. Even with a different folder structure (I use a slightly different one), it's all doable.

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#35. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Phoenix, US
          

Thanks, Luke. I realize that by using my existing structure, I'm trying to pounds its very square peg into Lightroom's very round hole. I'm also very aware of Lightroom's amazing filtering capabilities using any combination of collections and filters.

The thing with LR is that it seems to be an "all in" proposition, which would take some getting used to for me. Currently, even though I use VNX2 as my browser and CNX2 as my editor, I'm just as likely to navigate to a folder and use good old Irfanview to browse the photos within. Old habits die hard. Even browsing a CNX2 edited nef file with Irfanview would show the edited version due to CNX2 saving the edited preview in the nef file. Browsing that same nef file but edited in LR with Irfanview, would only display the unedited raw data. Boo!

My habit of saving every edited nef file as a full size jpeg and then using those jpegs as files to be browsed, viewed, emailed and posted to Nikonians forums doesn't exactly jibe with Lightrooom's concept of storing only the raw files for viewing and browsing and then doing a special export using the admittedly convenient built-in features for emailing, printing and posting, etc. It would be a significant paradigm shift for me to get all warm and fuzzy with that change, but I'm not going to rule it out. In fact, I don't believe I'm in a position to rule anything out at this point. I'm in sponge mode right now, trying to soak it all in and make sense of it all.

Again, I appreciate you interest and consideration toward my situation.

Russ

  

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#48. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Rural Virginia, US
          

>I'll get back to you.

Russ

Here is one way to duplicate your current workflow using Lightroom.

First off - your download from card to the Temp folder really complicates matters. I suggest using the Lightroom Import function to download into your Current Year folder for that shoot. You can apply any of your standard corrections (curves, sharpening, etc.) on import, plus your keywords. Do your culling and rating next. Lightroom makes that very quick. Edit your selects.

Next - Export the jpegs from your edits to your General Structure creating the folder with the Lightroom Export Menu. Also, In the Export menu click the "Add to Catalog" box. Lightroom will add the folder and Jpegs to the Catalog.

Third - Here is where you have some options. You can export your raw files to your General Structure by using the Export Original option. That puts a copy of your raw file there, but Lightroom will not retain the edits for that copy. My choice would be to Export DNG. That creates a DNG variant of your raw file and Lightroom maintains the edits should you want to revisit them later.

For the laptop you can have its copy of Lightroom import the jpeg versions from your General Structure via your network.

Should you be interested I'd be happy to share with you ofline how I would achieve what you do with a single folder structure.

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#49. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Thanks, Luke. Email sent.

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#34. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Russ,

I agree with Luke. But what I am about to write is on a psychological, not technical, level.

Many times, when faced with new technology, one tries to adapt that new technology to the way the old technology worked. I have found that the best way is to embrace the new and to forget the old.

Learn about the new, and discover ways it will make your life easier. If you are unsure, ask a question. To most people, myself included, change can be scary. Don't be afraid of change.

The above may be a little off topic. Feel free to chastise me if you wish.

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#39. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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No chastising necessary, Pat. Your comments are 100% on-point. See my reply to Luke in post #35. I'm not categorically opposed to change per se, it's just at this point I'm not sure exactly sure how best to implement it. Which habits need to be disposed of and which can be retained. Don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, as it were.

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#41. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Russ,

Best advice I can give is for you to learn all you can about the Lightroom cataloging functionality (Save the editing for another day). Then take that knowledge and apply it to your needs. Luckily there are plenty of resources on the web.

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#43. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I'm workin' on it, Pat. I have Scott Kelby's book on LR4 and Martin Evening's book on LR5. I haven't been real thrilled with either, for different reasons. I've also watched all of Julieanne Kost's videos. I seem to get more out of those than the books, and to that end, I've purchased and am currently going through both sets of Laura Shoe's videos. My brain hurts.

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#44. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Russ,

It's called information overload. Grab your camera and go out and shoot something. Re-visit this in a couple of days.

Sometimes the brain needs a rest ( I know mine does.).

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#42. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Robert as I followed your flow, I have pretty much the same flow until I got to what you did with your edited NEF. Are you saying you saved the edited NEF but also made a JPEG? If you are editing the NEF and then saving a JPEG but not keeping the NEF edit, you are making a major error in usability. A TIFF is superior to a JPEG because it does not degrade each time t is opened. also most JPEGs are 8 bit though JPEG 2000 format can save a 16 bit file. TIFFs are 16 bit. When you "bake in" the NEF settings and edits into a TIFF. you have saved all the Nikon Setting, and all the edits you made in the NEF. You can open this in any other editor and proceed from there. It is what you would get at the end of using LR or PS ACR. The difference being that you can't go back and edit what you did to that point. That is why keeping the edited NEF in CNX2 is so important.

LR is not going to read your labels, any of your camera settings or even your NEF edits. It will open an original NEF but will not apply any Nikon settings to it. So that is why as a precaution you do the baked TIFF because it saved everything at a high level. If you open a JPEG in LR or PS you will have limited editing capability. That is why people shoot RAW to avoid this.

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#51. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I'm glad to see that I've gotten most of it right! Russ and Bob have correctly sussed out my mistake in not saving the edits. I do remember trying it a couple of times, but I could never quite figure out how to undo the edits and revert to the original camera made NEF. Well, that means I must be satisfied with the collection of JPEGS I have made. I am aware that TIFF files would be superior but they are quite large and not all my stuff may be worth such an amount of megabytes! I have been very happy with the prints that I've made: from the 8x10's to the 16x20's.

But now to the point of my original question: can I do nothing and keep using NX2. I have been persuaded that maybe I should download and learn LR5. It will be an adventure, to be sure, but I can always go back and open NX2 and, if it opens and loads an image, I will still be able to use it. I keep my photos in the same kind of file structure mentioned using the year then the month to create folders and within the month specific "shoots." If I can keep this same concept, that will be one less bit of confusion.

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#52. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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>> “But now to the point of my original question: can I do nothing and keep using NX2.”

Yes, you can.

Especially, if you maintain you current workflow and you are not worried about the ability to revisit your edits. It is likely that, with little effort, you can keep CNX2 running for several years.

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#53. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I'd probably take the approach that you will be moving from Capture to Lightroom or another tool, and need to be ready to take that step.

Given your result, there is little reason to stick with Capture. It's going away. You don't need to rush - but you will need to move to something else. Most of the reasons are outside of your control - a new camera, new computer, corrupted software, or something else. That's an uncomfortable position - and might as well move forward and address the issue sooner when it is within your control.

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#54. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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A few answers to your questions. Yes you can do nothing and keep using CNX2 until you are no longer able. Just do two things to protect yourself. Keep the edited NEF and also make a TIFF from it. As to your question about the edits in the NEF, you need to understand that CNX2 does NOT change your original NEF. The edit steps are stored in a separate area and are applied to the NEF when you open it. That is why CNX2 took more time to process. Second you can see the original file at any time in CNX2 by going to VIEW / Compare Images/ Compare with Original. You will see the Original next to the edited one. Finally if for some reason you wanted to delete all they edits and only save the original, you just delete the edit steps and save the file and you are back to Zero. If you saved the edit steps in the NEF and you want to take a risk, you do not need to make any other files until you need a TIFF or a JPEG, as you can easily create one from the NEF at any time. That is why I NEVER shoot RAW+JPEG. That was the beauty of CNX2, no side cars no need for any other file except your edited NEF. You could not destruct the original NEF because your edit steps were only applied to output either to a screen or other format. If you took your edited NEF and opened it in LR it would open the original file but would not see any of your edits nor any of the Nikon camera settings so you would be opening the original shot without application of any settings.

The only risk to continuing to use CNX2 is MAYBE someday in the future, there will be an OS under which it may not run or Nikon closes the license servers so you can't reinstall it. Aside from that, there are no CNX2 police that are going to come to your house and make you stop using it. I plan to continue to use CNX2 even though I know Photoshop and own CS6 Extended. I have always used CNX2 as a RAW processor front end and only went to PS when there was something that CNX2 could not do and that wasn't much. But I do save a TIFF version of my NEFs. I also save a pristine NEF, more for belt and suspenders if for some reason my processed NEF's drive got corrupted or died, but I also keep 2 separate backups of every image I have on two different drives and back up my main photo storage every week to these 2 backups.

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#55. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Unsupported programs are poor ones to keep investing your time in, especially when it takes so little time to learn a new one. I would move to something else right away where you more assured that your edits will survive and can be updated later.

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#56. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Of course that is a logical position, but he question was could he keep using CNX2. You will note that he is learning LR, but he wants to keep using CNX2 for now. My case is different than his, as I already know and use PS but choose to use CNX2 as my RAW converter. Since I have every image saved as a TIFF or in the case where I have done additional PS work as a PSD or TIFF, I have no urgent need to do anything than what I am already doing. I don't have to learn any new SW because I already know how to use Photoshop and do use it when I feel it is necessary. I think a majority of the people on this forum are not in that position and they are seeking a different path, that comes as close to their current work flow as possible. Their post processing skills are all over the map, even using CNX2 which is pretty easy to use. Many have never used PS or LR nor are they familiar with layers and masks and LR may be their easiest path as it is not as heavy a lift as PS. Heck I have been using PS since CS and I went through all the updates, am a member of NAPP and am generally self taught. But that represents years of experience which these people don't want to invest. While I prefer PS for many reasons, it may not be the answer for most of them as it appears their goal is to shoot pictures not be a computer jockey. I think I am a bit more geeky and enjoy doing both.

So keep stepping in and shining some reason into these conversations. I have noticed the discussion in the Adobe forum have become more basic since the CNX2 announcement. If I was in their shoes I probably would feel overwhelmed as well.

I do think everyone needs to take a deep breath and realize that they have time to make an orderly transition if that is what they decide to do, but that their beloved CNX2 is not going to stop working tomorrow. So they have time to try out a number of options try out trail software and pick the route that works best for them. Some will never make the move - see Mick's comments here, but I think the rest are slowly realizing that the world has not come to an end.

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#57. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I disagree, Rick.

It does not necessarily take "so little time to learn time" to learn, especially to become proficient.

There are significant drawbacks to Lightroom that should not be glossed over, but are. CNX had some unique capabilities that are impossible to replace, although they may be "approximated", with a fair amount of work. I know that you dismissed CNX years ago, but many of us found it to be a superior tool because of what it could do that LR or other options could not.

Depending on where are person is in life, riding out the unsupported program may be a better use of someone's time. Don't dismiss that because you favor LR.

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#58. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Mick, I've taught a lot of people how to use both tools (as well as others). The time to learn a second raw conversion program, after you've become reasonably proficient at one, is very quick. You already know the basics, and it's a matter of looking for similarities first, followed by the differences and sorting out those. Nuances can sometimes take a little longer, but those aren't usually needed immediately. The beauty of all these programs is that updates and fine tuning can be made later. Having seen new photographers who have never touched a raw file before doing global and local adjustments, as well as wide variety of conversions within a few hours, I have to believe experienced ones can do at least that well.

I still believe the right thing is to start a transition quickly to whichever program you pick. Making that transition without panic and before you further increase your library of unsupported edits will pay off. Forcing yourself to use a new program is the only way a transition will actually happen. For me, it's much like when I made the transition from film to digital. I kept running back to film and my beloved F5 and not using digital seriously and did that for at least nine months. It was only when I said "this is all you get to use on this trip - figure it out" that things started to change. Personally, I'd rather get on with things, provided that I plan to do photography for a while. If I didn't, that could be another matter, but I'm not writing this for people who plan to quit photography soon.

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#59. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Well, perhaps I am dense, because since the CNX-D announcement, I have been spending a few hours every day working with LR, going through tutorials. I haven't yet been able to dupicate the results the I got from an image in CNX. By ignoring the camera settings, LR is just more work and "getting it right in the camera", is not possible (after all, Adobe is a software company, not a camera company, so they want you to work in the software).

I expect that in a year or so, I will become proficient enough in LR, (or ACDCee or Capture One) and enough of the plug-ins and add-ons, that I can produce the results that I have come to expect. It will be neither quick nor easy.

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#60. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Mick, I would be happy to work with you over the phone for a couple of hours for free if you would like to do that and go through the same "jump start" that I've done with other Nikonians. It's not something I can do in general, but I would be happy to help. With any new program, getting the right initial start can help. That's a sincere offer - just let me know.

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#63. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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>Mick, I would be happy to work with you over the phone for a
>couple of hours for free if you would like to do that and go
>through the same "jump start" that I've done with
>other Nikonians. It's not something I can do in general, but
>I would be happy to help. With any new program, getting the
>right initial start can help. That's a sincere offer - just
>let me know.

I appreciate the offer, Rick.

I am on vacation about 10 days, and plan to spend some time going through Winston Hall's Lightroom video tutorials. Let me seen where I stand when I get back to the real world.

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#66. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Have fun on your trip and let me know if you'd like to pursue that.

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#64. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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For anybody that has been using Nikon standard in-camera picture controls a quick way to emulate those settings in Lightroom is to use the Camera Calibration sub-module at the bottom of the Raw Development module stack on the right side of the screen. Adobe provided them specifically for that purpose.

Camera Landscape
Camera Neutral
Camera Portrait
Camera Standard
Camera Vivid

Yes, they have to be selected instead of being automatically set on import, but they may at least get new users back into familiar territory before other adjustments are attempted. Of course, they won't help if those controls have been substantially customized in-camera.

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#68. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Photoshop loads those in ACR as well, but how do you customize these provided picture controls? In CNX2 you can customize any picture control and then load it back into the camera. I know people will not be able to load back the camera profiles into the camera, but it would be a much better solution if they could tweak those controls to match exactly what they have in CNX2.

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#70. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I've probably got no business answering a question about a product I admittedly know so little about, but here goes. There is a free download from Adobe called the DNG Profile Editor. I don't know much about it, but I believe it is designed to tweak camera profiles. Here's what Adobe says:

"The DNG Profile Editor is a software program designed and implemented by Adobe. Its purpose is to enable photographers to edit camera profiles and it is being offered as a free download to the photographic community. Please note that while we welcome all photographers to try the DNG Profile Editor, this tool is intended for advanced users."

I'm not sure why it's called the *DNG* profile editor. Does that mean that tweaked profiles can only be used on DNG files?

Here's a link for the Windows version:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5494

And for the Mac version:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=5493&fileID=5489


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>
>I'm not sure why it's called the *DNG* profile editor. Does
>that mean that tweaked profiles can only be used on DNG
>files?
>

No, it can create or modify color profiles that are used on NEFs, CR2s, ORFs,...and DNGs - pretty much any raw file format. While you can replicate Picture Control type functions in a profile, you're limited to contrast and color reproduction functions. In general, I think it's much easier to use develop module slider settings, coupled with an existing color profile and then make it a preset. For example, if you want to use a Nikon Standard color profile, but want higher contrast, pick that profile, move the contrast slider higher, and then save that combo of settings as a preset. The same can be done for other parameters like sharpening, etc.

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Thanks Russ I am aware of that tool but I guess I missed the edit function.

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#72. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Sat 15-Mar-14 12:02 PM by Chris Platt

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That can be done. Select a Camera Calibration Profile like "Camera Vivid." Then on the left side of the LR window, click the + sign in the Presets module to create a new Preset. Just select "White Balance," "Process Version," and "Calibration" and click "Create." Then apply any additional adjustments you want to the image. Then right click on the new Preset you just created and select "Update with Current Settings." You now have a modified picture control preset that you can click on to apply to any image or choose to apply to every image on import. You can also make presets specific to camera serial numbers and/or ISO settings.


Edit: You could of course, just start with the standard LR presets/auto adjustments, tweak them and save as your own preset.

Before you start creating such a preset, you would want to go into the LR Preferences and deselect any auto adjustments that are applied on import.

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#61. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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It was about a year and a half ago that I replaced my computers to ones with significantly more processing horsepower, memory and storage. I also upgraded to a 64-bit operating system. Having a preliminary sense of what was in the wind, I also purchased Creative Suite CS6 and Lightroom 4. About that time, I posted a question in this forum asking about the merits of changing my Nikon-centric workflow to an Adobe-centric workflow. Rick, I specifically remember you advising me at that time that you had recently made that very move, and advised me that it would be in my best interest to do the same.

Unfortunately, I was so impressed with the dramatic improvement in speed of CNX2 once some genuine computational grunt was applied to it, that I ignored your advice. Seduced by CNX2's new level of performance, I chose not to invest any effort in learning the Adobe products I had recently purchased. I continued to use PS CS6 for exactly the same limited things I used PS CS3 before it. I did absolutely nothing with Lightroom. Since then, I've processed many terrific photos with great results, using software that I was very adept at using, hoping against hope that CNX3 would somehow emerge from the rubble of Nikon's divorce from Nik. We now know the extent of the collateral damage from that breakup.

The downside of kicking the can a year and a half down the road means that my post-processing skill set is exactly where it was a year and a half ago, I still need to make the move you advised me to make back then, and I now have hundreds of additional CNX2-edited nefs with a questionable future, and that will ultimately have to be converted to tiffs in order to preserve the CNX2 edits. I suspect an NDA kept you from making a more persuasive argument back then, and indeed may still be in the mix, but it probably wouldn't have made a difference in my case anyway.

It's interesting to note that in the past year and a half, Adobe has updated Photoshop, although I'm still not thrilled with the subscription model and haven't bought in. Add to that a nice generational update to Lightroom, which I have bought. Nikon on the other hand, has, after countless appeals from their user base for CNX3, abandoned that platform and finally shown their hand with the beta release of NX-D. Quite a striking contrast. So, it turns out that Nikon itself has in fact presented to me the more persuasive argument to switch horses. A little late to the table, but I'm in the process of finally taking your advice, Rick.

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#67. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Russ, you're correct that I couldn't state things more strongly in the past. There was more than one note that I wrote, only to think twice and delete.

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#69. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I remember that one and your little warning at that time.

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#71. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Me too more than once I was prodded but never took the hint. But today I signed up for the $10 a month CC Photographer and I am really enjoying learning lightroom. Now I did open PS good golly I have no clue how anything works and how to open and close layers etc scared the heck out of me so I ran back to Lightroom which the more I use the more I realize its not complicated and functions in a way that keeps my steps pretty close to CNX2.

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#62. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Thanks for the really thoughtful discussion folks. Even though I decided some years ago not to get CNX2 (we also had a Canon shooter in the house), I am finding the discussion very educational. I've posted a similar, related question over on the Adobe thread and for those who have experience with LR and Adobe (and the willingness to answer), I'd really appreciate your thoughts. The thread can be found here:
http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=319&topic_id=13957&mesg_id=13957&page=
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#74. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Earlier today I attended Jason O'Dell's Intro to Lightroom for Capture NX2 users. I highly recommend attending this session if you are using Capture NX2 and thinking about LR or Photoshop.

http://www.meetup.com/jason-odell-photo/

Even if you are not going to move to LR at this time, it's worthwhile to attend in order to understand what LR can do and how transitions might occur. It's $30 and 3 hours well spent.

I don't think staying with Capture is a valid option for me. I'll keep it for legacy purposes, but my take is LR5 is superior in a number of respects, and only has a few advantages.

My experience with Capture was that it takes about 100 hours of class, study, and practice to be proficient on an editing program. I've got a ways to go, but plan to fully embrace LR.

One important element I've heard from several experts. You don't want to import all of your images into a LR catalog - just your better images. There are a number of ways to build this into a workflow, but it would be a bad move to import 10,000 (or 100,0000 ) image files and try to reverse it 6 months or a year from now. LR is something that should be started incrementally - and then think about converting or moving older work in 90 days or so.

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#76. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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"I don't think staying with Capture is a valid option for me. I'll keep it for legacy purposes, but my take is LR5 is superior in a number of respects, and only has a few advantages."

"My experience with Capture was that it takes about 100 hours of class, study, and practice to be proficient on an editing program. I've got a ways to go, but plan to fully embrace LR."

Eric in the to quotes above is this exactly what you meant as it looks a bit funny. For example you say LR5 is superior and only has a a few advantages. You were comparing LR5 to CNX2, so if in your view it is superior, how can it only have a few advantages over CNX2.

I can believe 100 hours to learn Photoshop or LR, but I don't believe it took me that long to be proficient in Capture NX2. The most time was spent adjusting to the interface, and everything else was way easier than PS which is what I was coming from, which I spent years becoming proficient in.




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#78. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Thanks, Bob - bad typing I think. What I meant to say was Capture NX2 only has a few advantages.

Specifically - LR handles shadows and highlights better, and has much greater control over sharpening. It also has a number of editing features that are smarter - for example brightness understands not to blow out highlights when you brighten midtones and darker areas. LR largely eliminates the need for Photo Mechanic for keywords. And it has a nice, clean method of output sharpening that includes resizing for the web and watermarking if needed. LR even has perspective control. One big area of advantage is that LR uses the RAW file for adjustments to exposure, highlights and shadows. This gives it more range for recovery than Capture by a stop or more.

Capture has the advantage of edits being embedded in the NEF, control points, and reading camera settings although on all counts LR has a suitable alternative that makes these issues minor if relevant at all.

My earlier perspective on LR was formed around LR 2 and LR 3. The current version is much better and a suitable replacement for Capture. CS6 will still have its place for cloning, complex masks, adding canvas, and warping. But using CS6 for most editing is a matter of preference rather than it being a better tool than LR.

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#79. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Eric well said. I too tried LR when it first came out and did not find it appealing. Now my skills with PS sort of make it unnecessary to me as the ACR engine is the same in LR and PS, so if I ever decided to use ACR instead of NIKON as my raw processor I could do so. Just for fun last week I took an image I had never processed in CNX2 and tried it in PS with ACR, it basically worked fine. But I have to admit I have never been a fan of the slider interfaces. When I learned PS I was very into Dan Margolis and his techniques were suitable for any version of PS and I therefore became more curve, channel and LAB centric in my use of PS. In a way it was why I liked CNX2 because using the control points while watching the masks allowed me to do so much yet see exactly what was going in just like the way I worked in PS.

LR has come a long way and for most people it is a good solution since we will never see a CNX3.

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#80. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Thanks Eric great info.

I have been playing with LR for a week and finally signed up for the Adobe CC Photographer so at 10$ a month I get PS and LR and so far I have really started to enjoy LR and after watching a ton of videos asking a ton of questions I find I can do everything that I did in CXN2 in LR just as fast now. I have some great presets that someone emailed me and all in all I am really enjoying LR. I have a ways to go but I do not feel so intimidated now as I was two weeks ago.

As far as Photoshop I will work on that at a later date not ready for layers yet and I need to get proficient with LR first. I am also thinking of adding Nik filters but again so far LR is working for me I have even started to use it to upload and catalog my photos. ViewNX2 is going to stay as a reference as is CNX2 but I am moving to a LR workflow now to prevent any issues in the future.

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#77. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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Thanks for the heads-up, Eric. I just signed up for tomorrow's session.

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#81. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I wonder if there's a way of modifying the installation files so that Capture NX2 (v2.4.6) will support future Nikon camera bodies.

There are 30 items in the NX2 directory (C:\Program Files\Nikon\Capture NX2) - they are as follows:

2 sub-folders (html & legal)
1 .rtf file (a Readme)
2 .exe files (NX2 itself and uninstall)
25 .dll files

It's possible that one or more of the .dll files contains all of the info required for camera support - and that these are the files that get replaced when support is added for a new camera body.

The main difference between NX2 v2.4.5 and NX2 v2.4.4 is that support was added for the D5300 and the Df. So, in theory, it should be possible to identify which files added support for these two cameras - i.e. by comparing the 2.4.4 installation folder with the 2.4.5 installation folder.

If the same technique is applied to two separate versions of NX-D (when two are available), perhaps it's possible to identify the support files and use them in NX2.

Anyway, just a thought (but it's probably not this simple).

  

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#82. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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You will be fine if you just keep using cnx2 as long as you do not get a new camera not supported by cnx2 or get a new computer with an operating system that is not compatable with cnx2.

Good luck as computers do die. Just a matter of time.

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#83. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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"So why can't I just keep NX2 and not worry about moving to Lightroom or Photoshop or Capture One? Am I missing something?"

I can see you built up a collection of Nikon cameras. So what happens when the D800 either needs to be replaced and the new Nikon that just comes out is really the tool you want and I mean really want? Maybe it won't work in your old workflow? No way to tell today but we already know your workflow won't change because it can't. Today you are frozen in time.

Sticking with dead software once you know it's dead is waiting to get left behind. You have time to adjust and a gradual change wouldn't hurt so much or cost that much. Workflow or Cameras - it's all the same because it's all just technology. Better workflows make better images from the camera to however you deliver. We finally got rid of the chemicals and it's clearly not over yet.

You have to change because the technology is changing just like it always has. Photography is perhaps the most technologically advanced art form there is or ever has been. It's still is expanding.

Making quality images is changing. Based on that alone is the only reason you have to change. You certainly have made a lot of changes over the years and you liked it. There never has been a limit to making good images and you really don't want to set some now. I think you'll like the ride or at least you have so far.

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#86. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I started attempting to read over all the posts on this and got to thinking, I don't have edits in NEF. All my edits are "Saved As" after processing the changes I may want from the NEF files to jpeg.

Most of my photos that are PP are converted to a jpeg for the purpose of having prints made or uploading them to a place like Photo Bucket. I still keep the original NEF file while doing editing and saving that edit as a jpeg. The idea of making TIFF's from all those NEF's would be mind boggling.



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#87. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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The TIFFS are non destructive. You could also make the process of making TIFFs from the NEF as needed via a batch process if you plan to abandon CNX2 in the future. There is no reason to scrap your edited NEFs as you can make TIFFs or JPEGS at any time. You can't reedit JPEGs but you can reedit the NEF. If you did further work on the TIFFs in Photoshop those could be saved as layered files and also be reedited in the future.

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#88. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I have recently change to Mac OS 10.9.3 and my old Nikon Transfer is not supported any more

I installed Capture NX2 2.4.7 were the Transfer app is included but doesn't work: there is an icon up left that is in grey and in the file menu the option "launch Nikon Transfer" is deactivated.
Is there a hidden option that I don't find? or this is another unsupported item in NX?
I trust that this is very simple, but still don't get it working.
Any idea?

  

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#89. "RE: What if I do nothing and just keep CNX2 v2.4.6?"
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I'm using a PC running Windows 8. The icon is active and it launched normally.

You could try downloading Nikon View NX2. It's free and a much better browser and quick editor. Transfer 2 is also embedded in that program and works fine.

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Remove all old Nikon software.
Then install anew, to make sure all Nikon software runs on your Mac OS 10.9.3.

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