Go to a  "printer friendly" view of this message which allow an easy print Printer-friendly copy Go to the page which allows you to send this topic link and a message to a friend Email this topic to a friend
Forums Lobby MASTER YOUR TOOLS - Hardware & Software Digital postprocessing & workflow (Public) Nikon & Nikonians Imaging Software (Public) topic #10468
View in linear mode

Subject: "Capture NX2 highlights & shadows" Previous topic | Next topic
expat Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2010Wed 05-Jun-13 09:35 PM
532 posts Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin    Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profile
"Capture NX2 highlights & shadows"


Qawra St Pauls Bay, MT
          



Need advice from those who use Capture NX2 and Photo Mechanic.

The images attached are a screenshot of one RAW image from my D700.
Standard Picture Control with ADL at Normal.
Direct from camera no processing at all.

One image is the NX2 histogram plus Shadows from View menu.
The other is exactly the same opened firstly in PM with its Blown Shadows checked.

Why is there such a difference? I am sure the PM histogram is the correct one of the two.

The camera was set to an exposure fine tuning of 4/6 because that is what was required to prevent blown out highlights,(typical of my D700 & not the point of this post)(chorus of "the D700 exposes to the right" if by that it means big spikes against the right edge yes that's what mine does)

Just asking what is the difference?

Thanks for looking

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

Attachment #1, (jpg file)
Attachment #2, (jpg file)

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Replies to this topic
Subject Author Message Date ID
Reply message RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows
mklass Platinum Member
05th Jun 2013
1
Reply message RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows
JonK Moderator
07th Jun 2013
2
Reply message RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows
expat Silver Member
07th Jun 2013
3
     Reply message RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows
mklass Platinum Member
07th Jun 2013
4
Reply message RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows
nrothschild Silver Member
07th Jun 2013
5
Reply message RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows
expat Silver Member
08th Jun 2013
6
     Reply message RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows
expat Silver Member
09th Jun 2013
7

mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, sports, commercial, and events coverage, Mick is always ready to help Nikonians by sharing his deep knowledge of photography and printing. Nikonian since 08th Dec 2006Wed 05-Jun-13 11:09 PM
5962 posts Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin    Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profile
#1. "RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows"
In response to Reply # 0


Tacoma, US
          

The PM histogram is reading from the embedded JPG (full size, or thumbnail if full size is not available) or from the JPG matching the NEF's base file name.

CNX is interpreting the raw file.

2 different sources of data.

Mick
http://www.mickklassphoto.com
or
Visit my nikonians gallery

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

JonK Moderator Awarded for his high level skills and in-depth knowledge in various areas, such as Wildlife, Landscape and Stage Photography Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2004Fri 07-Jun-13 01:39 AM
4682 posts Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin    Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profile
#2. "RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows"
In response to Reply # 0


New York, US
          

There isn't much of a difference. Part of the problem is the different proportion of the histogram rectangles. When the two retangles are given the same proportion, the histograms are very similar.

Jon Kandel
A New York City Nikonian and Team Member
Please visit my website and critique the images!


Attachment #1, (jpg file)

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
expat Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2010Fri 07-Jun-13 12:31 PM
532 posts Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin    Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profile
#3. "RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows"
In response to Reply # 2


Qawra St Pauls Bay, MT
          

Thanks for replies, appreciate what you say but my point now, is it not the case that one gives the impression that all is well where the other says it is a blown shadow image.
In the NX2 case there is a small gap before the left edge no matter how you look at it?
And so PM can only be used as an ingest annotation tool, ignored for its helpful looking info because the file looks horrendous to me when initially ingested.

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, sports, commercial, and events coverage, Mick is always ready to help Nikonians by sharing his deep knowledge of photography and printing. Nikonian since 08th Dec 2006Fri 07-Jun-13 02:58 PM
5962 posts Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin    Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profile
#4. "RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows"
In response to Reply # 3
Sat 08-Jun-13 03:36 PM by mklass

Tacoma, US
          

If PM isn't 't displaying the images properly, check you color space and color management settings in PM. My jpgs look the same in PM and CNX2.

In my case, in PM's Preferences, I have set the default color space to Adobe RGB (this only affects images that don't have the color space defined) and have also checked the three boxes for Color Manage thumbnails for display, Color Manage previews for display and Embed ICC Profile into Camera JPEGs when copying.

If you are having problems with PM or have questions about it, Camera Bits' support through their forum is exemplary.

Mick
http://www.mickklassphoto.com
or
Visit my nikonians gallery

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

nrothschild Silver Member Neil is an expert in several areas, including camera support Nikonian since 25th Jul 2004Fri 07-Jun-13 06:05 PM
10915 posts Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin    Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profile
#5. "RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows"
In response to Reply # 0


US
          

In order to help understand this, you might want to do a JPG extract from Photomechanic, and then open that extracted JPG file in CNX2 and see what it says, as well as confirming that PM sees that file the same as when it was embedded in the raw.

I'm suggesting using Tools|Extract in Photomechanic, not "Save As". That should extract the same JPG image that PM uses when viewing the raw image.

If you have a color management issue in one or both of the two apps, then this might help to confirm it.

_________________________________
Neil


my Nikonians gallery.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
expat Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2010Sat 08-Jun-13 09:16 PM
532 posts Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin    Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profile
#6. "RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows"
In response to Reply # 5


Qawra St Pauls Bay, MT
          

Thank you both, I wanted to ask you chaps before going to PM, I know they are helpful but respect your opinions.
Will try your suggestions tomorrow, or maybe that's today in your part of the world.

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
expat Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2010Sun 09-Jun-13 01:01 PM
532 posts Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin    Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profile
#7. "RE: Capture NX2 highlights & shadows"
In response to Reply # 6


Qawra St Pauls Bay, MT
          

Happier now thanks, set PM as per Micks settings, for some reason PM had srgb selected and not adobe.
Checked by using extract jpg and they look the same.

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Forums Lobby MASTER YOUR TOOLS - Hardware & Software Digital postprocessing & workflow (Public) Nikon & Nikonians Imaging Software (Public) topic #10468 Previous topic | Next topic


Take the Nikonians Tour and learn more about being a Nikonian Wiki /FAQ /Help Listen to our MP3 photography radio channels Find anything on Nikon and imaging technology - fast!

Copyright © Nikonians 2000, 2014
All Rights Reserved

Nikonians®, NikoScope® and NikoniansAcademy™ are trademarks owned by Nikonians.org.
Nikon®, Nikonos® and Nikkor® are registered trademarks of Nikon Corporation.