Thanks for the information. I like Thom Hogan and read him often. Im always trying to improve my skill level as Im sure we all are. I find the answers to most of my questions arent covered in the technical manuals I buy and that I have a better chance of obtaining information from the forums. There is a wealth of knowledge available here and on the other web sites and people are very generous thank you very much. Ill keep trying with the 5100 and unless there is something inherently wrong with the camera Ill get there eventually. When I get my tripods back Ill run some side by sides with the D60 and the D5100 and get a better idea how them measure up against each other. I kind of did that in Camp Verde, Arizona, but the conditions werent all that great. The tripods, by the way, are nine hours away from here in the motor home where Im getting the transmission replaced.