Hi guys after giving it much thought Ive decided to go for the d3100 with the one lens as i can get hold of it brand new with a warranty for just under £400 where as the d5100 is an extra £200 and a 2nd hand d200 is lens only is between £250 an £300 with no guarantee. Being a relative beginer i cant justify forking out £600 on a camera for weekend snaps even though i thouroughly enjoy it, im sure the pics i take on the d3100 will give me hours of fun im not looking for the perfect pic im just after a bit of fun with a camera.