"Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" Fri 04-Jan-13 05:20 AM by tgreenwald
Delray Beach, US
Yeah I know this camera produces great photos with the high end glass but what about on it's own merits with just the 30-110mm VR f3.5-f5.6 lens. Can it produce good shots. I'm getting pretty soft results and poor focus at times. Maybe it's about the glass. I was hoping to get a thread going to where those of us who don't want to lug around the big lenses share some tips for the V1.
Other than small and light what does this have over the D40, which is also small and light and fast to focus.
Is this better than say a P7700. After the initial thrill is the V1 going to become a classic? I'm glad I got in on the really wild give away prices.
I have been using Aperture priority and the highest ISO I can get away with.
Shot RAW and processe3 in Aperture 3 to JPEG for Nikonians
Would Nikon Capture helped here?
I know a tripod and long lens technique would have helped a lot. But a small camera does not call for a big tripod. I use the FT1 on a Gitzo GT3531S and the 80-200mm f2.8 lens.
#3. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 0
Knoxville, US
Nope, Capture wouldn't have helped much. It's more about how you're processing. Looks like you took the Aperture defaults and went with it. I've had a lot of fun doing some wildlife shots with the V1. Here's one I did at the Brookgreen Gardens in Myrtle Beach SC using a V1 and a 70-300 VR lens.
#5. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 3
Pennsylvania, US
Neil,
This is a wonderful shot....absolutely great!
A few questions since it is my goal to get to this quality of bird photos this year...(New Years Resolution).
How far away was the bird? I assume it was shot in RAW? What camera settings did you use? Speed/aperture/ISO,etc.?? Was it handheld, monopod or tripod? What software did you use for Post Processing? What are your PP workflow steps?
Anything else????
Dan
"My most rewarding photos are those that capture something I didn't 'see' in the frame....so just SHOOT."
#6. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 0
Atlanta, US
All in all I think this is a good example of what can be done with a Nikon 1.
Nikon Capture would provide one way to reduce some of the pixelation in the background, but there are other programs that deal with noise on a selective basis.
This image is also a good example of the tradeoff required for a small camera in low light. At 1/400 sec, if you are anywhere beyond 145mm (based on 2.7 times 145mm)you don't have enough shutter speed. Even 1/400 is marginal for birds where you want to be at 1/800 or higher.
I think sharpening is an area that needs care. The small sensor tends toward some noise anyway, and sharpening magnifies the noise. You might try a different sharpening routine to keep noise down. For example, I would use lower levels of intensity and a smaller radius with Unsharp Mask and a higher threshold. High Pass may be helpful, and with High Pass I would use a smaller radius and a higher opacity. For Vibrance, I would use a little lower level. You are better off with multiple iterations of lower intensity sharpening and light noise reduction than to achieve all sharpening in one step with challenging images.
I have not verified it yet, but I believe I saw some loss of light using the FT-1.
I've seen some softness using the FT-1 and regular lenses. I think given the small sensor, it can be more important to stop down a little and avoid shooting the lens wide open. And of course, closer subjects look a lot sharper.
#7. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 0
Burnaby, CA
Here's another example using the V1 with 30-110 lens, at 110mm on a tripod. f/5.6 1/250sec ISO200 -.3EV shot in JPEG, cropped about 65% otherwise no PP.
#8. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 5
Knoxville, US
Thank you! I was about 8 feet away from him. Handheld in overcast lighting. I really didn't need to do much with processing. Went into Lightroom and used camera standard and adjusted the sharpening some.
#10. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 6
Delray Beach, US
Thanks for taking the time for the great suggestions.
I have forgotten most of my CS skills at I'm so used to nailing them with my D300 I forgot how it was to tweak shots.
I brushed up on High Pass Sharpening as well as finding the neutral gray point with layers (a great Kelby tutorial to learn for all)
I'm thinking that high ISO, low shutter speed, rapidly moving critter, wind in the trees and first and foremost-lousy light does not make for an easy wildlife photo with any camera.
I have tried Nikon Capture a few times and every time the interface drives me crazy and it's so slow that I make use of my App Zapper. Nikon should stick to making great cameras. Still I am curious if Capture conversions of RAW would be superior to LR or Aperture or CS. But still lousy light makes for a crummy photo.
I have still managed to have a few V1 shots used commercially so in may respects good subjects/composition trump Image Quality and the benefit is that I always have the V1 with me and my DSLR is sitting at home in a Pelican Case.
I think if the P7000-P7700 had an EVF as good as the V1 I might go with that?
#11. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 3 Sat 05-Jan-13 02:23 PM by tgreenwald
Delray Beach, US
Neil,
Thanks so much. I'm checking now how to change the Aperture defaults. Searching on how to do it. I see a new Camera RAW update from Apple that mentions the V2 so I assume the V1 has already been done.
I do notice that sometimes that my EXIF files are missing in Aperture but they actually are there just Aperture won't show them. I'm going to give Light Room a try later this week.
I recall that Lightroom might have some way to open the NEF files with the camera settings like Capture does but I just can't seem to find it.
It's easy to get into a film mentality-shoot it and the camera takes care of the rest. I am going to also now start shooting RAW+JPEGs and give that a try.
Your Egret photo sparkles but it may be more about the 70-300mm lens than the camera. I guess I'm dreaming to think a CX lens would be as good as a DX or a FX version.
In good light this little camera shines-
note to self-It's about the light stupid.
This is in overcast good light with the 10-30mm lens but I still think it's a bit soft for my tastes. Exposure Time: 1/160 sec F-Number: f/9.0 Exposure Program: Aperture Priority ISO Speed Rating: 100 Exposure Bias: -1/3 EV
#13. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 0 Sat 05-Jan-13 02:37 PM by walk43
Pennsylvania, US
Here are my latest 2 shots. Still working out the technique. Both shot through a window at about 15 feet. Getting better but still not where I want to be.
Sorry for the re-post of the white capped sparrow I put into another thread.
Dan
"My most rewarding photos are those that capture something I didn't 'see' in the frame....so just SHOOT."
#14. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 10
Atlanta, US
The challenge of the P7000 and P7700 is the sensor is even smaller than the V1. The crop factor on the P7700 is 4.6 times compared to 2.7 times for the V1. Noise - and ISO performance will be worse than the V1 and you can't use other format Nikon lenses with an adapter. It's truly a point and shoot.
Capture has some small advantages but there is no major advantage over LR in terms of capabilities. While profiles for converting D300 and D700 images in LR are advanced, the V1 may be a little newer and not have the same level of optimization yet.
I see a lot of cropped images with the V1. Given the small sensor and noise, I think it needs some very conscious effort to crop and resize without increasing the impact of problems like noise. For example, you might apply noise reduction early in the editing workflow and then upsize to accommodate cropping later. And you would not use shadow recovery or D-Lighting until after resizing.
#17. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 0
Pennsylvania, US
One more pic and then I will stop posting these. This was shot out a window, 1/2000 sec., ISO 100, f/2.8, at 540mm.. handheld. Seems like my pics are all about the same quality now with the V1, so when I can actually get outside and "lose the window", I hope to come up a notch. If I can get a pic like Neil's I will be elated!!
Dan
"My most rewarding photos are those that capture something I didn't 'see' in the frame....so just SHOOT."
#18. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 0
Ottawa, CA
These were taken with the V1, I moved to the V2 recently but have not had the chance to do wildlife with it. I suspect it will be easier. Heron take at 230mm (with 70-200MM) at f4.8 and 1/1000 sec. Duck taken at 145 mm with the 70-200, also at f4.8 and 1/250 sec. Raccoon taken at 110mm with 30-110mm CX lens at f8 at 1/160sec.
#19. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 14 Sat 05-Jan-13 11:12 PM by tgreenwald
Delray Beach, US
Eric,
A heartfelt thanks for you educated reply. I can see that the small sensor does indeed produce good images but you will have to work for them. Motorcycles have replaced photography as my main hobby so this V1 fits well in the saddlebag. I was able to capture a Bonaparte's Gull today for my wife who was trying to ID the bird. She could not ID the tern because if was a "tern like gull" The 30-110mm lens did a great job in good light at lower ISO. Your right about noise and ISO. Too much ISO = noise
I was pleased with the results. Thanks to your input and am now happier with the little lenses and V1. The High Pass filter indeed helps with the detail in the feathers. I also used my Velvia plug in from Fred Miranda to relive my Fujifilm days of old.
#20. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 0
Wethersfield, US
Not sure why we are seeing so many images taken with non-CX lenses when Tedd asked for images with CX lenses. (Nice images, though.) Anyway, here's a shot from this afternoon with the 30-110.
#1 - As output by ViewNX from the NEF, then resized in Photoshop.
#2 - 100% crop. Shot was taken wide open at f/5.6.
#3 - 100% crop with some noise reduction and sharpening.
#24. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 20
Delray Beach, US
DMDave,
Wow, really crisp and detailed but I think this is due to the stellar 400mm f2.8-I was hoping to find how the 30-110mm CX lens does on it's own.
I'm growing too old to hike with more than the CX kit. Heck it's hard enough to just get myself a few miles! Not lazy, just arthritis. Now that I can afford the big glass it's just to heavy for me .
#25. "House Sparrow" In response to Reply # 23 Tue 22-Jan-13 04:48 PM by richardd300
Dyserth, GB
I have been waiting for half a chance to test my 70-200mm f2.8 with the Nikon V1. Not perhaps the most attractive of birds, but this House Sparrow gave me the opportunity to try the lens/camera combination out.
The second image is taken with a 300mm f4.
Richard Nikon V1 + 70-200mm f2.8 1/250 @ f2.8 ISO 200 Nikon V1 + 300mm f4 1/250@f4 ISO400
#27. "RE: House Sparrow" In response to Reply # 26
Dyserth, GB
Thanks Dan.
Yes, the European Robin. Off on a day out tomorrow to one of the UK's biggest wildlife reserves to see our winter visitors from Scandinavia and the Arctic. Will be taking both the D7000 and the V2 + FT-1 and a 70-200mm + x1.7TCII. Leaving the D800 at home for a rest!
#28. "RE: House Sparrow" In response to Reply # 27
Knoxville, US
I've still got to use my V1 with the 200-400 + 2.0 TC. I bet it's a MONSTER! But the weather in my area has been terrible lately or too cold. But I'm hoping...
#33. "RE: House Sparrow" In response to Reply # 32 Thu 31-Jan-13 10:05 PM by Snappo
Tulsa, US
My first try (1 V2) with the TC 1.7 and I still need more work, however, the setup looks promising. These eagles don't wait for me to fiddle around with setting up. This guy sat on the branch three or four minutes, little time to park car and set up tripod. Exposure Time: 1/1250 sec F-Number: f/4.8 Exposure Program: Aperture Priority ISO Speed Rating: 160 Lens 70-200mm f2.8 VR with TC 1.7 for a focal length of 918 in 35mm film Handheld
Shot RAW and processed in Lightroom then to CS6 to resize for Nikonians.
#34. "RE: House Sparrow" In response to Reply # 33
Pennsylvania, US
Nice shot Jim. Not a lot of set up time but you had great light! I like the colors in the wings. No eagles close to me. Just hawks that I can't get close to or open shots of.
Dan
"My most rewarding photos are those that capture something I didn't 'see' in the frame....so just SHOOT."
#36. "RE: House Sparrow" In response to Reply # 35
Dyserth, GB
Love the shot Jim. I am having great success with the V1 and the 70-200mm. Have to wait until the V2 body drops in price. Do you see it as an important step up from the V1?
#37. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 0 Tue 05-Feb-13 11:32 AM by walk43
Pennsylvania, US
This is a shot of a Coopers Hawk (I think) with my V1 and my 300 f/4, 1/125sec, ISO1600 in low light, laying on my back on the floor and shooting out my patio window at 40 ft. It is an 'ok' pic (my opinion) but for the low light (almost dark outside and the image has a lot of noise), hand held, 300 f/4 at 1/125th sec., I think is was salvagable thanks to lots of PP.
PS: I also got about 10 shots with my D800 and the 300 f/4 and they are nowhere as good(?) as this one shot with the V1. The effective FOV of the the V1 at 810mm is a real plus for the V1 and bird shots...at least for me!!
PS2: I had suggested in a post awhile back that sometimes I use Paint.net to do an 'ink sketch' when the sharpness of the PS image is not achievable to what I would prefer. The pic below is the same image above loaded in Paint.net and converted to an 'ink sketch'. This is not the best recovery/artistic rendering that I have done, but it will give those of you who have commented about the 'ink sketch' option an example of a way to sometimes save a poor image and still make it usable for a wall hanging.
"Ink Sketch" in Paint.net... Example
Dan
"My most rewarding photos are those that capture something I didn't 'see' in the frame....so just SHOOT."
#39. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 38 Tue 05-Feb-13 11:34 AM by walk43
Pennsylvania, US
Thanks Richard. It is either a Coopers Hawk or a Sharp-shinned Hawk (very subtle differences in the legs, tail and neck). I have a hard time telling the difference unless they are side by side.
By the way...I have added a photo in the original post so show what can be done in Paint.net by doing an 'ink sketch'. When a photo image is not as sharp ...for what ever reason... the ink sketch option in Paint translates it to sketchings and the 'softness' goes away.
It is NOT an example of a good photograph, but has created some useable 'artistic' prints for me in the past that look attractive on a wall. This one is still only 'ok' in my opinion and I would not mount this one but others of goldfinches, bluebirds etc., have turned out pretty nice...
Dan
"My most rewarding photos are those that capture something I didn't 'see' in the frame....so just SHOOT."
#40. "RE: House Sparrow" In response to Reply # 36
Tulsa, US
The convenience of the dial/controls is a definite plus for me. The wife also has a V2. She uses it a lot with the 55-200mm lens and since she has issues with the technical side of photography, her images are much improved over her DSLR D7000.
#41. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 39
Dyserth, GB
I missed that Dan, it looks superb. I also looked through your gallery and the macro shots have inspired me to get out with my new macro kit when anything wakes up in the UK....ever! Now, off to look for Paint.net
#59. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 57
Ludington, US
Really nice... particularly the Piping Plover. We have a nest down on our beach this year and I never thought of using my V1. I'm going to give it a shot!
#60. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 59
Dyserth, GB
Because the new firmware version has now precluded my Tamron 70-300mm VC lens from working with the FT-1, I received this week a mint Nikon 70-300mm VR ex demo. The Tamron was an equal in my view to the Nikon, but I do find the 3rd party lens route a pain when a lens has to be re-chipped.
The Tamron on my D800, D7100 and V1 worked straight away, so it mystifies me why it should not now work due to a mere V1 firmware update. If Nikon can produce a brand new dSLR that will work with a 3rd party lens from day one, then surely a firmware update shouldn't make a previously good pairing history.
It's even more annoying because the V1 firmware upgrade has made the V1 better in so many ways, except the cost of a replacement lens of course!
#61. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 60
US
"The Tamron on my D800, D7100 and V1 worked straight away, so it mystifies me why it should not now work due to a mere V1 firmware update. If Nikon can produce a brand new dSLR that will work with a 3rd party lens from day one, then surely a firmware update shouldn't make a previously good pairing history.
It's even more annoying because the V1 firmware upgrade has made the V1 better in so many ways, except the cost of a replacement lens of course!
Come on Nikon, sharpen your act up."
As I mentioned in the other thread, this is not Nikon's concern. Why should they ensure backwards compatibility for competing optics? The other manufacturers aren't paying royalties for access to the F-mount information, so it makes very little fiscal sense to make it easier for other makers to compete.
To be honest, when I bought a Sigma 70-200/2.8 years ago, I knew I was running the risk of the manufacturer being "behind" every time Nikon updated the firmware. Lo and behold, the two changes to the D100 that happened when I owned the lens broke the interface each time. The first time took MONTHS to fix; Sigma Japan was scrambling to update the firmware and was shipping chips to their regional centers in waves. I don't see how this is Nikon's concern. If I was a shareholder, I'd be pretty peeved if Nikon was kow-towing to another maker when they have enough concerns making sales on their own equipment.
#62. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 61
Dyserth, GB
<<As I mentioned in the other thread, this is not Nikon's concern. Why should they ensure backwards compatibility for competing optics? The other manufacturers aren't paying royalties for access to the F-mount information, so it makes very little fiscal sense to make it easier for other makers to compete.>>
I certainly do not agree with that statement. It makes very great sense for Nikon and other camera/lens manufacturers to do everything possible to court favour with the 3rd party manufactures. Why, because there would be a drop in sales of cameras if first time and existing buyers were deprived of a more reasonable supply of lower cost lenses.
<<I don't see how this is Nikon's concern. If I was a shareholder, I'd be pretty peeved if Nikon was kow-towing to another maker when they have enough concerns making sales on their own equipment.>>
I see it as very much Nikon's concern. I'm sure the share holders would be most peeved if they were not accommodating 3rd Party lens requirements as sales of dSLR's etc may actually reduce in favour of other manufactures!
Also, this is a negative argument as Nikon do "kow down" to 3rd part manufacturers already. I was one of the first UK owners of the Nikon D7100 and my two Sigma and one Tamron worked on the camera straight out of the box and so did my Tamron on my FT-1. Also there was no problems with my D800 or D7000 and there were no re-chips conducted by either Tamron or Sigma. So, perhaps Nikon just see how they feel on a certain design day whether they will or will not allow 3rd parties to work or not!
I feel that if the shareholders were that peefed they would put pressure on Nikon to abandon ALL on camera access to 3rd party lenses unless the lens is re-chipped.
#63. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 62 Mon 17-Jun-13 07:17 PM by Covey22
US
I'll keep this brief in order to prevent going heavily off-topic.
Nikon's objective is to sell camera systems. That means lenses, Speedlights and all the associated accessories (including software). Theirs, not someone else's. The fact that the Tamron, etc. all worked when you upgraded bodies is simply a point-in-time result. Nikon will always be upgrading firmware for error correction and feature enhancement. You want access to the F-mount features immediately? Pay the royalties. That's how the patent system works and it's more than fair.
I feel that if the shareholders were that peefed they would put pressure on Nikon to abandon ALL on camera access to 3rd party lenses unless the lens is re-chipped.
History disagrees. The used market is littered with examples of third-party lenses that can only be supported up to a certain Nikon model - I particularly remember a screwdrive AF Tamron that could only work on N90S or above (below?). Additionally, Sigma's move to allow firmwares to be user-updated on their latest optics is a reflection of the reality - reverse-engineering the F-mount means your user base is taking a chance (a high probability at that) it won't work - either briefly as the maker reverse-engineers the latest change, or permanently as the maker declares that optic end-of-life and forces the market to move on to newer offerings.
Back on-topic - I love the work people have done with the FT-1 and the variety of lenses that do work on it. Personally though, I'll still settle for the 30-110; my review on the J1 proved to me that it's still a heck of a lens for the size, cost and aperture it has.
Edited to add: Should anyone be wondering if I'm a Third-Party lens maker "hater," I humbly point out this Tamron 70-300 VC review that I penned for the community. I also owned many Sigma and Tamron teles and short-range fast zooms as well as slow zooms. It just so happens that right now, my entire optics portfolio is Nikon only.
#64. "RE: Post your Nikon 1 and CX lens wildlife pics" In response to Reply # 63
Dyserth, GB
Firstly, it's good to see my opinion of the Tamron is supported in the review.
What I am trying to say is that Nikon will largely respond to the 3rd party offerings because:
1. Some focal lengths, especially zooms, are outside the range of current Nikon offerings.
2. The marketplace is not wholly populated by users who have the budget to buy Nikon.
3. Some third party lenses are actually quoted by Nikon commentators (e.g. Thom Hogan) as being of a worthy of consideration above or equal to Nikon. Personally, I want to always buy Nikon lenses in the first instance, but occasionally others offer more and often this is not cost relative.
Yes, I agree that this is off topic, but I was responding to what I felt was the disappointing aspect of a latest FT-1/ V1 firmware upgrade. Perhaps it's better suited to the third party lenses forum. Your comments are noted and valued.
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