I took this early in June out at Rocky Mountain National Park. It is Bear Lake with Longs Peak in the background. I was fortunate to have a calm lake with nice clouds and color. I tried to incorporate some foreground material and I found this large rock along side the small rock. My question is: Does the large rock add to the photograph or is it a distraction? Feel free to apply C and C regarding any other aspect of the photo too. This was taken with a D800 and a 24-70mm F2.8 lens at 24mm. Shutter 1/20, Aperture F11, ISO 400, Tripod mounted. By the way there is a lens hood for a 16-35mm F4 lens in the drink just ahead of these rocks. It fell out of my back pack while fishing for my remote. I tried to reach between the rocks it fell between to retrieve it, but the water was a lot deeper than it looked. Oh well, it wasn't an expensive item. Thanks for looking. Tom
#1. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 0
Salt Lake City, US
I like the rock. I think it anchors the scene and adds an element of interest. The image is lovely. I like the pastels from the clouds, particularly in the water.
At first I was going to say that the rock may be too large in the scene but I think what bothers me is the large dark reflection it casts. I may have framed the image to include the large rock just at the very bottom of the frame.
Too bad about the lens hood. I'd guess the water was too cold to take the plunge!
#3. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 1
Claudia, Thanks for your comments. I could try a different crop to get rid of the shadow. My wife was shooting the same scene, but she composed the shot with the rocks projecting out of the lower right. In other words, the big rock was only partially showing. The lens hood fell in the water between some rocks I was perched on. I put my hand in as far as it would go between the rocks and still could not touch bottom. Tom
#4. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 2
Thanks Richard for looking and your comment. When we first got to Bear Lake we explored some areas up higher on some rocks, but there was always a lot of scrubby brush in the way. Same with backing up. Probably what I need to do next time is go during the middle of the day and thoroughly explore other areas that might have better possibilities. Thanks again for commenting. Tom
#6. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 5
Hello Dan, Thanks for looking. I modified the photo by cloning out the small rock and cropping much of the shadow from the big rock out. Not sure I like this any better. Now the shadow that is left seems more distracting to me because I can't tell for sure what it is. I have also included a photo that my wife took of the same scene. She went wider angle and had the rocks coming in from the side. Tom
#7. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 2 Sun 07-Jul-13 03:10 AM by juggles
>I would like to see the shot up and back a little. I like >the rock but it is a little to overbearing for the overall >photo...nice shot BTW.
Agreed. I want to like the rock but it's just so prominent that it becomes a picture about a rock instead of a picture about a lake and mountains. My first thought is that I want to push the rock back in the frame and make it smaller. My second thought was to crop part of the rock out, leaving it on the edge of the frame. Maybe something like this:
I think the brightly lit lower right corner of the original was competing for attention with the brightly lit mountains. Chopping off part of the rock with the right edge of frame de-emphasizes it but you still have it as a foreground element to provide a strong sense of depth. Great shot, by the way. Love the colors.
#8. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 7
Hello Jack, I didn't know if I would like the rock chopped off or not, but after looking at your crop, I think it looks good. Good point about the bright spot on the lower right. I think it does compete somewhat with the rest of the image. Thanks for your comments. Tom
#22. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 20
Larry, Thanks for your input. Very good point. Unfortunately, the rock was very close to the shore. So close that if I were more adventurous, and younger, I could probably have jumped out to it. Backing up injected some unsightly brush. At least that is how I remember it. I would love to go back and check it out again to see if there was a possibility of backing up a little. Tom
#23. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 21
Thanks Olivier for looking. It's the "buts" that I am interested in because that is what helps me improve. However, I am not quite sure exactly what you mean about the trees. Please clarify if you observe this post again. Thanks. Tom
#24. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 6
Sawbridgeworth Hertfordshire, GB
I prefer your wife's composition, partially because it just 'feels' to have better balance. I also like it because the speckles of floating debris break up the shadow and combine with the bright right bottom corner in your shot to make it busy and distracting. (Mind you both images are better than almost everyone of mine.) Richard
#25. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 24
Hi Richard, I agree. She did quite well on her shot. I may have to work on those speckles. It may take a little time, but it should be pretty easy to get rid of them. Thanks for your comments. I appreciate it greatly. Tom
#26. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 6
Both lovely shots, but I too, like you wife's composition better. The fact that she went wider and had the rock on the side almost "pointing" towards the middle of the scene really drew my eyes into the majestic mountains in the center back. That amplified the depth and, for me, made it special.
#27. "RE: Bear Lake - RMNP - Is rock a plus or minus?" In response to Reply # 0
Hi Tom. Beautiful light, tones & color in this scene. For me the rock is too much, it takes over and becomes the subject. A little wider view, 12-16mm maybe and some more of that beautiful sky and I would have liked it much more. This time I think your wife has you beat.