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sfbillm

Santa Fe, US
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sfbillm Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jun 2004
Mon 24-Sep-12 03:32 PM

Is anyone besides myself unhappy enough about the lack of an OVF on the P7700 to seriously consider the Canon G15 as an alternative?

Or am I unusual in using an OVF on a compact? (I use the one on my P7000 all the time I'm outside in sunlight - I simply can't see the LCD well enough under those conditions for it to be useful.)

The G15 also does RAW (but of course they can't be processed in CNX2. ) And the max F/2.8 is attractive, since the P7700 only gives me one extra stop over my P7000.

I don't mean this as an invitation to debate whether one needs an OVF - you either think you do or you don't, and it's unlikely that anything anyone says here will change your mind - but rather as an informal poll as to whether you'd consider the G15 over the P7700, particularly because the G15 has an OVF- although other reasons are fair game too.


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cmolieri

Sun Lakes, AZ, US
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#1. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 0

cmolieri Basic Member
Mon 24-Sep-12 03:47 PM

I can't say whether I would get a G15 instead of a P7700, but...I am VERY glad I bought a P7100 last month and didn't wait for the P7700. Like you, for me a viewfinder is/was a major requirement in picking a P&S to use in those instances when a DSLR is just too much camera to lug around. Trying to use an LCD in bright sunlight is just too much of a struggle for me.

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cliddell

Pietermaritzburg, ZA
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#2. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 1

cliddell Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Oct 2006
Tue 25-Sep-12 09:50 AM | edited Tue 25-Sep-12 09:53 AM by cliddell

I would not "look" at a camera without a viewfinder, and a optical viewfinder at that.

One has to be aware that the optical P&S VF is not in the class of a (D)SLR VF but I would find it impossible to "pan" a fast moving (for eg. mountain bike flying over a jump) using the rear screen or a digital VF with it's slight delay for that matter.

Also, and this would apply to some (incl, myself) with long sightedness, its impossible to see the rear screen in focus

for the same reason it would be nice to have the facility to show some (selectable?) information in the VF window where we could read it without scratching around for the reading glasses...

No, I would not look a Canon because I only shoot RAW and use Nikon software for my editing.

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ScottChapin

Powder Springs, US
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#3. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 0

ScottChapin Moderator Awarded for his high level skills in various areas, including Aviation and Birds Photography Charter Member
Fri 28-Sep-12 09:14 PM

I used to be dead set against it. Old habits die hard. But my experience with the P7000 indicates that the optical VF has inadequate coverage anyway, so you cannot accurately compose with it.

Where it does help is in situations where the light makes the monitor hard to see. That alone, might make it hard to accept a camera without one.

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bobtail

Axminster, UK
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#4. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 3

bobtail Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Sep 2006
Tue 02-Oct-12 03:11 PM

The very fact that this question is being asked shows that Nikon have really ' shot themselves in the foot' The OVF or perhaps a good EVF like Fuji has always been essential for me. I quickly learnt to crop tight in the finder to allow for the limited coverage which also compensates somewhat for paralax errors.
I have yet to see a rear LCD that is clear in bright light especially as like many users my eyes are not as good as they used to be. I was taught to brace my camera against my face to prevent camera shake. Vibration reduction has not changed this, just altered the critical point when shake might occur.
I also am glad I bought the P7100. The P7700 is a big disappointment, but I still want to stay Nikon to utilise Capture NX2

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russg

Phoenix, US
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#5. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 0

russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007
Thu 04-Oct-12 07:30 AM

My first Coolpix was a P5000, which I replaced with a P6000, replaced by a P7000, and then replaced with a P7100. All replacements were a significant improvement over their predecessors. I have no intention of replacing the P7100 with a P7700. To my mind, the extra 1-stop increase in speed of the lens is a poor trade for the OVF. And to be honest, I really don't even use the OVF on the P7100 all that often. But good luck trying to take it away from me. As others have mentioned, in direct sunlight, even a relatively poor OVF, such as the one on the P7100, is a whole bunch better than not having one at all. The other situation where an OVF can save your bacon is when tracking a moving subject. Not easily done with the LCD. I think Canon was pretty smart keeping the OVF on the G15. But if you like to convert your raw files in CNX2 like I do, then the G15 makes no sense. At this point in time, it appears to me that the P7100 is the zenith of the Coolpix line. I hope that changes at some later date. The P7100 is an outstanding compact camera, especially if you are looking for a compact camera with Nikon DNA, and compatibility with CNX2.

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Howker

Redmond, US
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#6. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 5

Howker Registered since 21st Jul 2010
Sun 07-Oct-12 01:14 AM

Top of the range compacts should have an OVF. They are meant to be a step better than P & S where franky good composition doesn't matter.
Nikon have got it wrong. Glad I got in with the P7100 before the change & will not have a camera without a viewfinder however poor.
BTW dont depend too much on CNX2 now Google own Nik Software who were the developers. It may disappear any time soon.
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russg

Phoenix, US
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#7. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 6

russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007
Sun 07-Oct-12 01:23 AM

Really? Should I hide my copy under the matress? Perhaps put a bell on it? Odd, it's never disappeared before, the installation files can always be found in the same folders where they were orignially installed. The installation disc continues to be found exactly where I last left it. No disappearing act whatsoever. Not sure how a change in parental ownership of Nik Software would change that. But I'll keep a more vigilant watchful eye on things, just the same.

Russ

cliddell

Pietermaritzburg, ZA
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#8. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 7

cliddell Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Oct 2006
Mon 08-Oct-12 03:01 PM

Hi Russ,

Yes, I agree. Still use Nikon Capture 4 occasionally for quick editing and, mainly, for the included NCC camera control which still works my cameras perfectly. Ha ha yes, I still use my favourite word processor WordPerfect 8 with the date on the CD box 04/97...

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ZoneV

US
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#9. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 0

ZoneV Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2005
Sun 21-Oct-12 02:06 AM

The main advantage of the Nikon over the Canon is the 200mm equivalent lens focal length. That's why I went with the P7000 over the Canon G12 last year. I use the camera for photographing plays and concerts on occasion, and need the long lens.

An undeniable paradox: To think that there is any such thing as an absolute rule is at worst naïve, and at best, shortsighted. There is no such thing as an always-true, all context- or situation-salient, absolute rule that always holds true…including this one!

Lumidapri

US
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#10. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 9

Lumidapri Registered since 22nd Nov 2012
Fri 23-Nov-12 03:16 PM

I would go with the Canon G15.
Not only you gain the OVF, but you also get a wider aperture and closer macro pictures. That should make up for the 140mm vs 200mm equivalent lens.
Other advantages are: the weight, ISO range, 1080p frames/sec and 24p support.

One debatable subject is the continuous shooting. I read both manuals and found that Nikon P7700 shoots a max of 6 frames at a speed of 8 fps, while Canon G15 shoots a max of 10 frames at a speed of 10 fps.

jdroach

Milwaukee, US
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#11. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 0

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Sat 24-Nov-12 02:16 PM

OVF....Well that is one of the many reasons I opted for the Fuji X10 rather then upgrading from my P7000 to the P7700.

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ISO200

Saskatoon, CA
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#12. "RE: P7700 vs. Canon G15" | In response to Reply # 0

ISO200 Registered since 17th Dec 2005
Wed 19-Dec-12 02:32 AM

Not me, the OVF is not needed, this is a P&S, not a Dxxx and it has limitations.

I tried the G15 and didn't like the pictures. For me the P7700 makes better images.

The only thing I don't like about th P7700 is that it is slow, 5 seconds to write a NRW to the file. I am using a 45 second SanDisk, going to try a 90 in a while and I hope that speeds it up to a more useable speed, I have my doubts.

I use it as a P&S, if I want better pictures I bring my D3s

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