"D90 vs Newest Android Phone" Tue 10-Jul-12 02:05 PM by quenton8
Well, the other day I had my camera on my desk at work (so as not to leave it in the car to die at 95degF). My boss came by and wondered why I had such a bulky camera when the cameras on phones were now so great. I gave him my stock answers about capabilities but he just looked at me and left.
So I bought the newest (just out) samsung galaxy III (for the phone, not the camera), but decided last night to try out the camera.
Now I know why I carry around a D90
most of the outside photos suffered from so much flare as to be useless
inside, not enough flash power for anything much
even the half decent ones would not blow up to 5x7 well unless no cropping was done
I found framing and "pressing" the button to be difficult and caused camera movement
No keepers from the whole evening (about 20 shots).
I figure it has its uses, but taking real photographs is not one of them (for me anyway).
#1. "RE: D90 vs Newest Android Phone" In response to Reply # 0
Phones are getting closer. Look up the results from a Nokia 808 Pureview with a 41MP sensor and Carl Zeiss folded optics. Crappy phone operating system, but I understand Nokia is bringing the camera technology to their more popular Lumia Windows Phone family. One of the phone's primary appeals is it's portability and ubiquity. The barkeep doesn't care when I whip out my Android, but if I start clicking away with an SLR, you can bet your bippy I'll have him, the floor manager and potentially the bouncer in my face faster than a 1/16000 shutter speed.
This is why I invested in a side system with mirrorless. The Nikon 1 and Micro-4/3rds aren't pocketable, but they're convenient to carry and much less conspicuous than even my smallest-of-the bunch D3100 and 35mm f1.8. People think it's a crappy compact and shrug. I know better.
You also have to look at trends in what is considered acceptable photo quality these days. IQ becomes less relevant because of the predominance of web publication use. Photos don't need to be that large and quite frankly, the way people "Instagram" every photo they take, who can say afterwards what quality aspects were because of a small sensor versus deliberate over-processing by the application?
As for the rest of it, most camera makers still don't get it. The next generation of consumer-photographers - the ones who will have the future earning potential to be their customer base (they're in their teens and 20s now) want to share *immediately.* The smartphone, for all it's disparity of image quality with dedicated cameras, has one thing that others don't - the ability to instantly put that photo out on as many channels as possible - web, social media, e-mail, heck even sharing with other devices through BlueTooth and other ad-hoc network connectivity. I, being an older generation, don't have such a compelling desire to immediately share, but the manufacturers had better start smartening up because that's what their future customers want.
#2. "RE: D90 vs Newest Android Phone" In response to Reply # 1
So I ran this by my daughter (who is a heavy facebook user) and my wife. My daughter wants the quick sending of photos to facebook, BUT she won't use her iphone because of the quality and gets her photos from me 90% of the time. My wife wants prints she can sit and look at and show people when we entertain.
I can see the desire for the quick "from in my pocket" photos and the ability to get them to some web location quickly, but I think the demand for top quality will continue to exist at least for some time, years or even decades -- my kids agree (but then my kids are in their late 20's)
#3. "RE: D90 vs Newest Android Phone" In response to Reply # 2
Ely, Cambridgeshire, GB
A friend of mine just shelled out on a D5000 plus lenses as she was looking to move on from a phone + camera. For the first 2 weeks or so her facebook page was full of shots taken with her new camera. Now it is full of "instagramed" shots taken with her iPhone. No new shots from her D5000 at all. Not even sure if she still uses her Nikon... She is 40...
#4. "RE: D90 vs Newest Android Phone" In response to Reply # 3
Camera-Phones are the new Instamatics. Whether the image is better or worse, most people just want to be able to grab a photo. The easier the process, the better. IQ means intelligence to them.
I don't pretend to be anything special with my Nikon, but I sync all of my keepers to my iPhone via Aperture. When someone wants to (can't run away fast enough to avoid being forced to) see some of my photos, they often say "you took that with this phone?"
They can't imagine someone shooting with a DSLR, downloading the files to a computer, doing post-processing, and then uploading the images to a phone. Who would ever do that when you can just take the picture with the phone to begin with? Its like paying to be able to post on a bulletin board site. Crazy.
#5. "RE: D90 vs Newest Android Phone" In response to Reply # 4
I think phone-cameras have improved a LOT since they were first integrated. My current phone (HTC EVO) has an 8MP sensor, much-improved lag, and much better optics than my earlier phones which were barely usable to make a photo for caller-id pics. And I have heard people raving about the improvement in the latest iPhone camera.
Never-the-less, to me there is just no comparison between phone-cameras and even most p&s cameras. But most people don't go anywhere without their phone, (and thus its camera) and get used to using it.
What amazed me this past weekend when I visited the Dallas World Aquarium with my daughter, was how many people were carrying their *tablets* and using the cameras on those! That may have been their only camera or something, but I saw a *number* of people using tablet-cameras. I own a couple of tablets, but they seem to be more awkward to carry around to an outing like that than my D90 and a backpack of lenses and flash!
#6. "RE: D90 vs Newest Android Phone" In response to Reply # 5
Tablets and Phablets (Phone-Tablets with 5-7" screens) are all the rage now with casual clickers. It's funny, and I'm hoping to catch a few people actually taking photos with them using my real camera. I suspect a few hundred years of this, and humans will have devolved in vision acuity to the point where the smallest screen we can use will be a 10" display otherwise it's biologically impossible for us to read what's on it.
#7. "RE: D90 vs Newest Android Phone" In response to Reply # 6
There is nothing odder than a parent using an iPad to video their kid in a sporting activity. We do a lot of gymnastics, and when a girl gets up on the beam, and their proud dad aims a gigantic tablet at them, you end up having to watch the routine through the tablet because it blocks the view.
Nevertheless, they manage to capture the moment, which is what photography is all about.
#10. "RE: D90 vs Newest Android Phone" In response to Reply # 8
That tablet is soon to be replaced by a follow-on generation of Google Glass...they'll be able to share the photo immediately with each other because they'll be wearing a matching pair talking by BlueTooth or low-power intranet links. Another nod and they'll have shared it on all the social media channels and e-mail. Said with a tongue-in-cheek, but after seeing the stunt Google pulled being able to transmit personal video from a parachute jumper over the convention at San Francisco, it's only a matter of a few years at the most before it's as ubiquitous as cell phones are now. Then we have privacy invasion issues gone amok to deal with all over the place...